I was listening to this song on the Frost*fest CD, and I can't help but notice something weird in the sound. It sounds to me like there's bad MP3 encoding on this. Like a low bitrate. It's not as bad as the version on MySpace, but there's definitely something weird there.
Now I'm listening again, and it almost sounds as if this was intentional. The vocals sound much cleaner and crisper. I don't know if this is because they're in a different range, and the MP3 compression doesn't affect it. It's very noticeable on the cymbals. They sound more thrashy than usual. It's pretty annoying imo.
Maybe it's just me hearing odd things. The rest of the cd sounds great, and so do the rest of my mp3's.
Anyone else noticing this?
I don't think it's data compression like MP3, I think it's extreme audio compression applied as an effect.
Yeah I noticed it, I was expecting something brighter than the myspace version, but it is kinda flat.
I'm pretty sure the drums are Jem+BFD, as Andy didn't record drums for this one.
Neat little song but.
I would go for Jem + Addictive Drums.
The sound is typically Addictive Drums Startup Kit (very impressive kit)
I think it's a tuba.
Quote from: "tomskerous"I think it's a tuba.
wot, like in toothpaste?
*Goes off to listen to Signals by Rush*
i dont know why people are saying it sounds bad/annoying, i think the production is awesome on that song. it's a bit more raw and less produced but i think it fits the song.
I like the raw part, and the overall production, but the thrashy compression sound puts me off a bit. Especially after the AMAZING quality/mix/production of the live tracks.
Quote from: "leelustig"i dont know why people are saying it sounds bad/annoying, i think the production is awesome on that song. it's a bit more raw and less produced but i think it fits the song.
I totally agree with that. With regards to the live songs I seem to remember Jem saying this was his first go at mixing a live album. Sir, ya bleedin' nailed it. :D
Werd. Nick's drum sound is especially wonderful.
Quote from: "Daydreamer"I would go for Jem + Addictive Drums.
The sound is typically Addictive Drums Startup Kit (very impressive kit)
How did I not spot this. I use addictive drums like everyday.
I always thought that startup kit was ridiculously overcompressed (and the the compressor in AD is reeeally bad) and I thought the same thing when I heard this song for the first time. Make your own presets jem :p.
You're right of course. Apologies. It was largely down to budgetary constraints. I'd rather the music was out there even in rudimentary form, especially as we did it live at RosFest. But clearly the hoo hah has proved me otherwise. Sorry about that mate.
I promise you'll not hear another demo.
Well rudimentary is still leagues above nothing at all :D. Plus its always interesting to hear the demo/album version transformation.
No more demos for that man, remove him from the mailing list.
The rest of us can still play, right? :)
Am I the only one here who's amazed you can do drums like that on a keyboard? It's brilliant! I would never have guessed it wasn't a physical kit. You have a skill there Jem (one of very many), and it's one I wish I had because it would make my work so much easier.
In my opinion, it doesn't matter what makes the sounds or where those sounds come from, as long as it sounds great and, in the case of TFYS rocks like a b*stard, that's all that matters to me! :D
For the record, I'm not a drummer, so my comments above are free to be disposed of and spat at by those fluent with the sticks. ;)
I'm sure most of us would rather hear it in 'rudimentary form' than nothing at all.
(Personally I still get little chills hearing that snippet of 1976 in the DVD menu and i'm still hoping that sees the light of day someday soon!)
I don't think anyone's really complaining and getting genuinely upset by this, Jem! Just having an innocent discussion about it.
I haven't forgotten that I only paid 5 pounds for it anyway. Exceptional value for money, really. We're just nitpicking mate ;)
Like I said before, I absolutely adore that song. I was just curious and wanted to find out what I was hearing. Now I know it, and I'm not bothered by it anymore. :lol:
Quote from: "gareth"(Personally I still get little chills hearing that snippet of 1976 in the DVD menu and i'm still hoping that sees the light of day someday soon!)
You and me both!
Quote from: "Jem".... I'd rather the music was out there even in rudimentary form ... clearly the hoo hah has proved me otherwise. Sorry about that mate...I promise you'll not hear another demo.
ooh now you've gone an' dun it ... no more demo's :(
Quote from: "Dave M"Quote from: "Jem".... I'd rather the music was out there even in rudimentary form ... clearly the hoo hah has proved me otherwise. Sorry about that mate...I promise you'll not hear another demo.
ooh now you've gone an' dun it ... no more demo's :(
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*yawn* another whine about sound. Why does nobody listen to the fucking music any more?! Its a brilliant song, and much better for sounding 'raw' than sounding 'perfect'. I would rather have a million 'oooh, yeah that would be cool!'s than ten of your finest 'lets massively overproduce this brilliant bit of jiggery pokery until it sounds like EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE WORLD's.
Jesus wept.
I'm with Danny.
But then I'm a drummer so my hearing's forked anyway :shock:
Quote from: "DannySoisSage"*yawn* another whine about sound. Why does nobody listen to the fucking music any more?! Its a brilliant song, and much better for sounding 'raw' than sounding 'perfect'. I would rather have a million 'oooh, yeah that would be cool!'s than ten of your finest 'lets massively overproduce this brilliant bit of jiggery pokery until it sounds like EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE WORLD's.
Jesus wept.
Chill out mate. I've said a million times how much I love the song, and that I was curious to find out what happened during the production. I wasn't whining, I was asking. But difference there. :)
I love demos...I love to hear the difference between the demo version and the finalised version. I'd be a pig in muck if I got to hear more demos from bands I like.
I thoroughly enjoyed listening to some of the Level42 demos on the remastered stuff...great to hear them in their pre-perfect state. It's a bit like seeing your kids grow up!
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I agree, but only with certain bands. I don't think I could listen to any Pink Floyd demos. For me, there is only one studio version of Echoes and it's perfect. Still, demos are a great way to see how songs developed and grew. Not for repeated listening, more like an interesting fact you learn.
Just to add my ten'penneth worth before they come to make me feel ill for the next few days with my next cycle of chemo, I have to say that I can't hear what anyone is going on about. Sounds bloody excellent to me, you should hear some of the demos of the band I used to be in!!! Or for that matter some of the demos I did all by myself. The drum sound on the ones I did by myself is a ZX81!!! Now that does sound bad!! Believe me!