Seems there isn't one of these yet, so I thought I'd take the liberty of creating one!
EIMA is not Milliontown, and once I realised that I really began to appreciate the album. The first half of the album is definitely the most poppy, coming to a head with Saline, but once you hear Dear Dead Days you realise you're on "level 2" so to speak, with progressive elements really beginning to show themselves.
I will be honest though, I really yearned for more twiddly solos; it seems that these had been stripped away to produce a far more rounded album. In the next one I really hope we get a return of the far more progressive sound. That being said, EIMA does sound extremely relevant and does fit in with the current pop "landscape" whilst pushing the boundries, so it could be argued that that is progressive in itself.
Overall I'm very happy, and I will say it did live up to the hype. However the sudden ending bothered me enough that I created a Wonderland Falling Down hybrid in the style of the old Frost 2 preview! I would post it but considering it has such large chunks of the album it's probably not a good idea...
The DVD is worth it purely for the instrumental tracks, which I have found very enjoyable to listen to (especially halfway points in certain songs... *cough*) but it is lacking original content asides from this, but it's no biggie. Having an entire archive of the Frost* Reports on DVD is nice even if there aren't any new ones (correct me if I'm wrong).
Anyway, enough of me rambling, post your thoughts...
Quote from: "Qjimbo"The DVD is worth it purely for the instrumental tracks....but it is lacking original content asides from this....
It perhaps should be said that this means a lot of the content is better-than-web quality copies (without all the buffering and some crummy mono sound in places) of videos that the more regular Frost*ies might have have seen before....I'm looking forward to revisiting the journey (when the snails eventually hand it over). :)
I'm an irregularly regular Frost*ie. I temper my high fiber diet with large amounts of expandable foam insulation.
Well, there are those who claim that when you eat enough fiber your tummy can stomach anything (oh, that was bad...).
I have two questions, though.
1. Do you take your expandable foam insulation with any condiments?
2. Do you find that, when the foam expands, it flexes any of your abdominal muscles? If so, you can sell the stuff on television, right along with the sauna belts and all the other silly weight-loss gadgets. You could make loads of money, you know!
Didn't take long for this thread to be derailed... good job guys 'n gals!
..How have you heard it before release date?
...No one fills me in on these things :cry:
There are threads on that very topic, SerFox. eMusic (free trial), Play.com download (paid), etc etc.
I have to confess that by the time I started writing that I'd already forgotten which thread I was in. Maybe I'm not getting enough fiber.
Oh, and while we're on the subject. Wikipedia doesn't seem to differentiate between US and UK spelling when the fibres are the kind you eat. So it's fibres in the paper I buy, but fibers in the food I ought to be eating?
I don't like to be confused by my food. (;-)
Quote from: "Drarok"There are threads on that very topic, SerFox. eMusic (free trial), Play.com download (paid), etc etc.
But theyre talkijng about the dvd, hence my confusion
Quote from: "SerFox"Quote from: "Drarok"There are threads on that very topic, SerFox. eMusic (free trial), Play.com download (paid), etc etc.
But theyre talkijng about the dvd, hence my confusion
The release date for some countries was actually the 14th, and I think JJ & Co. sent out copies early so they would arrive ON the release date, and some people are just getting 'em early :)
I think as long as you don't expect Milliontown Part 2, which let's face it nobody that's seen the Frost Reports, read Jem's blog or heard the tour CD should be... then you can appreciate this album for what it is - a damn fine rock album, with some proggy elements, some pop elements, some metal elements, some alternative elements.
Once I'd set my expectations aside and started listening to what it is and not what it isn't, I quickly realised this is a pretty special album.
I'm on my 3rd listen already. Is it me, or is there a lyrics change in Wonderland?
I think it used to be: "Here in electric light, it's a wonderful feeling to be alive", but now it's clearly "Here, I'm electrified...".
It's fun listening to the tracks we've already heard and spotting the little mixing differences and stuff, but I find myself tempted to skip the ones that I've already been listening to for months... Must resist!
Yeah those lyric changes to Wonderland were mentioned in a blog, actually (though in such language you didn't know what Jem meant by it).
Love the direct reference to Milliontown :D
I do like the instrumentals... and will put them on my mp3 player too. I think Saline is a track that needs the vocals because it is repetitive in the instrumental version.
There are extra bits to some of the frost reports... i would have liked it to be full screen though but i guess that would take up too much space. i would say that the dvd is a nice freebie but I guess at £16.50 for the full hit its not a freebie really is it.
I agree that we all knew what we would be getting with EIMA but you always hang on to those unheard tracks hoping for something extra. i was pleasantly surprised by Saline and a bit let down by dear Dead days though this does sound good in Instrumental mode... Welcome to nowhere also grows but not for proggy reasons (whatever they are).
I'm glad I've got it... but Milliontown is better for me by some way.
Hate the drum machine... bin it Jem.... the two tracks I can hear it in are ruined by it... (well slightly spoiled anyway)
Quote from: "Gedfaz"There are extra bits to some of the frost reports... i would have liked it to be full screen though but i guess that would take up too much space. i would say that the dvd is a nice freebie but I guess at £16.50 for the full hit its not a freebie really is it.
How do you mean fullscreen? Do the reports come up in a little Youtube-style window instead of full size?
:?
Quote from: "vkamicht"Love the direct reference to Milliontown :D
What's this?
Quote from: "Gedfaz"Hate the drum machine... bin it Jem.... the two tracks I can hear it in are ruined by it... (well slightly spoiled anyway)
I know it's on Secret Song, Jem even said so in a report, but what's the other one? :?:
Quote from: "Drarok"Quote from: "vkamicht"Love the direct reference to Milliontown :D
What's this?
The lyrics on the tour CD said "of another town", on EIMA it says "of a Milliontown"... ;)
Quote from: "LivingForever"Quote from: "Gedfaz"There are extra bits to some of the frost reports... i would have liked it to be full screen though but i guess that would take up too much space. i would say that the dvd is a nice freebie but I guess at £16.50 for the full hit its not a freebie really is it.
How do you mean fullscreen? Do the reports come up in a little Youtube-style window instead of full size?
:?
Yep.... just a little bigger... there is an animated background with a whirly frost star/asterisk that is quite offputting. The menus are brilliant though and its exceptionally professional... When you click on the instrumental it tells you to find it in teh dvd root directory which is better because it means you can seperate the mP3s easier for bunging on a cd in your hifi.
The other drum bit kicks in at the start of welcome to nowhere and though its simple, short and was probably from the dur dur dur dur dur machine... I hate all drum machines with a passion. i think its because they signalled the start of the end for Genesis when 'he' came out from behind the drum kit (the one thing he was any good at).
Quote from: "Philadelphia"Well, there are those who claim that when you eat enough fiber your tummy can stomach anything (oh, that was bad...).
I have two questions, though.
1. Do you take your expandable foam insulation with any condiments?
2. Do you find that, when the foam expands, it flexes any of your abdominal muscles? If so, you can sell the stuff on television, right along with the sauna belts and all the other silly weight-loss gadgets. You could make loads of money, you know!
I came up with a brilliant Idea once. PTFE (Polytetraflouroethelyne) or Teflon as its known on the other side of the pond. A totally inert plastic. Easy to make as semolina like little balls then you mix it with your food to bulk it out. You can then eat twice as much for the same amount of calories!
Interestingly, as it's inert, non absorbing and is very easy to clean... it could be recyled!! :)
Quote from: "Gedfaz"Yep.... just a little bigger... there is an animated background with a whirly frost star/asterisk that is quite offputting. The menus are brilliant though and its exceptionally professional... When you click on the instrumental it tells you to find it in teh dvd root directory which is better because it means you can seperate the mP3s easier for bunging on a cd in your hifi.
The other drum bit kicks in at the start of welcome to nowhere and though its simple, short and was probably from the dur dur dur dur dur machine... I hate all drum machines with a passion. i think its because they signalled the start of the end for Genesis when 'he' came out from behind the drum kit (the one thing he was any good at).
Huh. That's slightly disappointing. But hey ho, it is only a bonus as you say. I like the instrumentals already being in MP3 though, that's useful rather than having to rip them.
What I like about the secret track is that is has Andy playing toms!! :-)
Quote from: "vkamicht"The lyrics on the tour CD said "of another town", on EIMA it says "of a Milliontown"... ;)
Blimey, you're right! I didn't even notice that, probably 'cause I keep singing along too loud to hear the lyrics. :oops:
Compliments to the chef! :mrgreen:
Quote from: "LivingForever"What I like about the secret track is that is has Andy playing toms!! :-)
Is it? Or are they just processed snares? On the February #2 and May reports, during the secret song snippets it just sounds like normal snare sound... definitely didn't expect it to turn out the way it did!
Quote from: "Gedfaz"Hate the drum machine... bin it Jem....
No.
I like the drum machine bits Jem, they give EIMA character. :D
Quote from: "SerFox"Quote from: "Drarok"There are threads on that very topic, SerFox. eMusic (free trial), Play.com download (paid), etc etc.
But theyre talkijng about the dvd, hence my confusion
Yes, I got the DVD Special Edition from the Frost store yesterday... or rather my flatmate did and I'm still waiting for my copy from Amazon.
Also jeez you guys really struggle to stay on topic don't you? Guess I'll have to wait for the U.S. release for a higher percentage of meaningful posts!*
I too also liked the Milliontown reference, even if it was a tad cheezy. Whats all this stuff about a drum machine? I can't say I had a problem with that at all, it fits well.
*edit: What I meant isn't that non-US people aren't capable of posting anything meaningful, just a lot of the forum population is from the US and as such can't offer a lot to this thread yet. I didn't realise how bad this sounded!
I PLAIN LOVE IT !!!! :D :D :D :D
Quote from: "Qjimbo"Quote from: "SerFox"Quote from: "Drarok"There are threads on that very topic, SerFox. eMusic (free trial), Play.com download (paid), etc etc.
But theyre talkijng about the dvd, hence my confusion
Yes, I got the DVD Special Edition from the Frost store yesterday... or rather my flatmate did and I'm still waiting for my copy from Amazon.
Also jeez you guys really struggle to stay on topic don't you? Guess I'll have to wait for the U.S. release for a higher percentage of meaningful posts!
I too also liked the Milliontown reference, even if it was a tad cheezy. Whats all this stuff about a drum machine? I can't say I had a problem with that at all, it fits well.
Yes... The US release will bring a higher percentage of meaningful posts... I mean... Check out the political debate in the other thread!!!
But yes... I'm sure you didnt mean to insult us all... did you? :roll:
Its a hobby of ours to hijack threads.... and divert them...
Did you know that Salted Peanuts are actually good for you and not at all fattening accordiing to a top US scientist, because they are not entirely metabolised...
I like nuts.... Whats your favourite type of nut? Not me I'll warrant! :mrgreen:
:mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Quote from: "Jem"Quote from: "Gedfaz"Hate the drum machine... bin it Jem....
No.
Isn't most of the 'drumming' on Milliontown actually not real? I didn't hear anyone complaining about that... ;)
Quote from: "Gedfaz"But yes... I'm sure you didnt mean to insult us all... did you? :roll:
Course not, I simply meant that a lot of people here are from the U.S. and as such haven't heard the album yet, meaning they can't really add a lot to the thread.
Quote from: "Qjimbo"Quote from: "Gedfaz"But yes... I'm sure you didnt mean to insult us all... did you? :roll:
Course not, I simply meant that a lot of people here are from the U.S. and as such haven't heard the album yet, meaning they can't really add a lot to the thread.
So the US listeners wouldn't necessarily bring in a 'higher percentage' of meaningful posts then.... Because higher percentage indicates.... that the american posts would be more meaningful! Thus raising the percentage.
Because we are all as meaningful as each other nation to nation eh?
Ah... i'm only kiddin' ya... :mrgreen:
Answer the goddam nut question :x
Quote from: "LivingForever"Huh. That's slightly disappointing. But hey ho, it is only a bonus as you say. I like the instrumentals already being in MP3 though, that's useful rather than having to rip them.
I don't think you'll be too disappointed. The video is only 70% the original size and it was done like that so we could make the project widescreen without stretching the footage (as most people have widescreen TV's these days).
The other thing was that the original footage was PAL and had to be converted to NTSC for the american audience.
AND...we only had 7 days to put it all together...
Dene
Quote from: "Deno"I don't think you'll be too disappointed. The video is only 70% the original size and it was done like that so we could make the project widescreen without stretching the footage (as most people have widescreen TV's these days).
The other thing was that the original footage was PAL and had to be converted to NTSC for the american audience.
AND...we only had 7 days to put it all together...
Dene
Ah, now that's music to my ears Deno cos my Bluray player / TV are incapable between them of playing 4:3 video in 4:3 and insist on stretching to 16:9... I reckon this will be right up my street!
8-)
Quote from: "LivingForever"Ah, now that's music to my ears Deno cos my Bluray player / TV are incapable between them of playing 4:3 video in 4:3 and insist on stretching to 16:9... I reckon this will be right up my street!)
ooooh, Blu-Ray.....now we should have done it in Hi-Def...
Clone Wars on Blu-Ray....beautiful!!! if you can stand the turkey that is the movie itself :-)
D
Quote from: "Deno"ooooh, Blu-Ray.....now we should have done it in Hi-Def...
Clone Wars on Blu-Ray....beautiful!!! if you can stand the turkey that is the movie itself :-)
D
Frost* live on Blu-Ray... drooooooool :D
I think I'll wait for the real Star Wars films to come out if it's all the same to you!
Quote from: "LivingForever"Frost* live on Blu-Ray... drooooooool :D
They even do 3D Blu-Ray discs!! Maybe Frost* live in 3D Hi-Def....but only if John promises to keep his clothes on.....don't wanna be dodging THAT kind of 3D effect....
D
I prefer honey roasted peanuts, though I do like the occasional cashew. Did you know that unrefined cashews are poisonous and used in making cyanide? Yeah. Don't buy any cheap cashews.
Quote from: "gr8gonzo"I prefer honey roasted peanuts, though I do like the occasional cashew. Did you know that unrefined cashews are poisonous and used in making cyanide? Yeah. Don't buy any cheap cashews.
Hmmm... Yes I prefer Dry Roasted to regular... Never tried the honey roasted ones... Didnt know that about cashews (though I do like small quantities ... too many are a bit sickly I find). Did you know that the cashew is part of a fruit called the Cashew fruit? No... Neither did I... it was a factoid on the radio the other day...
Can we please split this blu-ray and peanut stuff into a separate topic? Come on guys...
Feel free to start a thread on either subject if you wish.
I personally love the varied diet here (threads are fibre too, you know ;)), man cannot survive "on Topic" alone....even one of John Beck's £1.70 ones!
As for the whole drum machine thing, I can't bring myself to hate them, a) because they are a signifiicant part of the journey up to now (Fading Lights with no drum machine....unthinkable) and b) I struggle to be so polarised about things these days....I never like to exclude things purely on the basis of fashion or trend.
I guess you could say one man's Drum Machine is another man's Mellotron - the problems only arise from overuse, or unimaginative usage....not things we need to worry about where Jem in concerned, in my opinion.... :)
Quote from: "Qjimbo"Can we please split this blu-ray and peanut stuff into a separate topic? Come on guys...
ah topic a hazel nut in every bite :lol:
That's a signature, right there.
Quote from: "Qjimbo"Can we please split this blu-ray and peanut stuff into a separate topic? Come on guys...
Errrrr...... No. :D ;)
The Frost* Forum without thread de-railment would be like Pistachio nuts without beer.
I wish I could comment on EIMA. But the manglers must of hidden it. Gig Buddy was gloating earlier. (I would use the smilie for sticking my bottom lip out, but there isn't one)
Quote from: "Qjimbo"Can we please split this blu-ray and peanut stuff into a separate topic? Come on guys...
Why so uptight... Its only a bit of fun! We're ordinary people remember! Well except for the band....
Hey Pedro... methinks you have a fan in Philadelphia :lol:
Going back to almost on topic (did someone shout hooray!). I think fake drums in the way that almost all of the tracks on EIMA and Milliontown are originally written doesnt bother me... Its the horrible ping pong sound of drum machines that gets to me... it just seems akk... makes me think of songs by that horrid little man. I'll be really worried if Jem starts using Phoenix horns on the next album!
As for fading lights... though it came from a slight recovery of an album for the band, it was still a gazillion miles away from even mid quality genesis like Wind & Wuthering... TBH I listened to it and thought to myself 'Thank God they've decided not to sully the name of Gabriels band any further' ... but then they did. I can honestly say that during 'Small talk' on Calling all stations I could feel the bile rising intyo my mouth... i had to swallow really hard then....
Philadelphia cant possibly continue to look that good in the bits beyond the top of the guitar... I reckon its hiding a serious amount of 5 O'clock shadow... surely!!! :D
Maybe the bottom half of her face is Jems! maybe she IS Jem... now theres a thought!
Right back on topic.... If you really love the tracks you've already heard then you will adore the album. Drum machine, no drum machine... whatever and I've played it about 7 times now and I'll do the same again tomorrow... because there isnt that much else about that is at least trying to be different. I think that deserves a measure of tolerance from the listener.
Quote from: "Gedfaz"'In the Air tonight'
that is a great song. very well constructed.
Quote from: "Gedfaz"Wind & Wuthering.
one of my favorite Genesis albums. I discovered them from this album, after they played on American Bandstand. no idea of the year.
gotta love Frosties*!!! 8-)
Quote from: "rogerg"Quote from: "Gedfaz"'In the Air tonight'
that is a great song. very well constructed.
Quote from: "Gedfaz"Wind & Wuthering.
one of my favorite Genesis albums. I discovered them from this album, after they played on American Bandstand. no idea of the year.
gotta love Frosties*!!! 8-)
W&W was my favourite 'Collins Genesis' album... Though I did like bits of Duke and 'Genesis' and 'ATOTT'. I think my biggest problem with 'In the air tonight' was that I bought it as a then Genesis fan about the time when they had released 'Spot the Pigeon' (I think) which had the excellent 'Inside & Out' on it... so I was kind of primed for a decent solo ... but when you get that with 'Me & Virgil' I think, on the back I went into a major downer. liked the suspense of ITAT but grew tired of it quite swiftly. I was dissapointed with all the Genesis solos to be honest except for Mr Hacketts first few (Up to Cured) and TB 'Curious Feeling'. I thought 'Acting Very Strange' by MR was hilariously bad. Dont think TB has done anything of note progwise since 'Curious Feeling'.
I need to go back and revisit all the early, PG-Genesis. I came on late, in the middle years, and that's what I love, ThreeSidesLive, Duke, etc., are Genesis to me, and I have trouble with the very early stuff. but I am very open, just haven't made the effort. yet.
Me and Virgil is an odd song, no doubt, but really sounds like nothing else that I can think of. very melancholy, and a bit profound, actually.
Quote from: "rogerg"I need to go back and revisit all the early, PG-Genesis. I came on late, in the middle years, and that's what I love, ThreeSidesLive, Duke, etc., are Genesis to me, and I have trouble with the very early stuff. but I am very open, just haven't made the effort. yet.
Me and Virgil is an odd song, no doubt, but really sounds like nothing else that I can think of. very melancholy, and a bit profound, actually.
Mmmm maybe I am a 'hobbit' but i think I'd prefer to be a 'dinosaur' ..46 years and been progging for 36 of them. I can understand how its difficult to go backwards to Gabriel era if you didnt live through it though... it was just EVERYTHING to me back then...
Sorry... I'm off topic again...
I like the sentimental melancholic feel that Jem pops into this album... either in the stringy bits or the piano slices... its almost like a theme running through... I like that.
Gedfaz: You should see the avatar picture I use for another forum. A friend of mine drew a quite impressive beard on it. Sadly, there's no beard there in real life (though imagine how cool it would have been!).
And as for being a fan of Pedro, well, is there anyone here who isn't a fan of his?
Oh, and the Face Value album cover is the scariest one there is, I think. (:-/
Dear Mr Godfrey
I have a complaint.
I have had this new long player of yours for 24 hours now, and I've listened to most of it .. well the intro's anyway.
My point is, when I woke this morning, I found to my utter disgust and intense disappointment that I was the same overweight, middle aged, married Frost fan I was yesterday, and the day before that, and the day before that etc ... EIMA has failed to change my life in anyway what so ever, consequently I demand a full refund !
To cap it all, I scanned your so called "booklet" and found no reference whatsoever to your inside trouser leg measurement .... what do you have to say for yourself now huh ?
At the very least I was expecting the credit crunch to have been solved and to find my christmas shopping completed for me but no .. all I have are these ridiculously good songs to entertain me in my rather dull existence.. you guys should be ashamed of yourselves ... raising our expectations as you have.
Prog rock ? ... my arse !! Where are the bloody mellontrons for f*cks sake ? .. turns out EIMA is just a bunch of great songs, played by fabulous musicians ... how very dare you Sir !
Dave
(Disgusted of Droitwich)
:D :lol:
Quote from: "Philadelphia"Sadly, there's no beard there in real life
Well, there's nowhere for a beard to grow what with that guitar growing on your chin.
The whole album is ace. But I knew just from the clips that "Dear Dead Days" was going to be a giant monster that would destroy the small Japanese village of prog awesomeness in its path like a prog Godzilla.
It did not disappoint. EIMA rocks, and Dear Dead Days is an all-timer.
Quote from: "RacingHippo"Quote from: "Philadelphia"Sadly, there's no beard there in real life
Well, there's nowhere for a beard to grow what with that guitar growing on your chin.
If you look closely you'll find that it's actually growing out of my nostril.
Quote from: "eponymous"Progzilla... what a damn fine alias that would have made... damn... :lol:
Oh, no
There goes Kino!
Go, go Progzilla!
Call Jem and JM! We have the name for their next project together!
TOO LATE!! (//http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=86006952) :shock:
And darn it, it's pretty good.
Dude... why is there a new thread for EIMA discussion and appreciation!?
I clearly already started one, and its clearly better than this one.
Down with this thread.
Quote from: "Philadelphia"Quote from: "RacingHippo"Quote from: "Philadelphia"Sadly, there's no beard there in real life
Well, there's nowhere for a beard to grow what with that guitar growing on your chin.
If you look closely you'll find that it's actually growing out of my nostril.
Are you sure the pic wasnt the result of a nasty accident with super glue ?
Having just given it a listen through, I've gotta say, Dear Dead Days is spaffing awesome!
The whole album is definately a winner for me and gets a healthy (or not so healthy really) 10 out of 10 teacakes.
(//http://www.britsuperstore.com/acatalog/Tunnocks_Chocolate_Teacakes_10_Pack.jpg)
Yep, I got the album on the 14th (as I pre-ordered! :)) and I have been listening through a few times now;
On first listen, it was pretty awesome. Since then, it's basically just got better each time!
It just sounds, great, you can really hear the time that has gone into every single bar. Even if the music was terrible (which it definitely isn't!), the work that's gone into the production would be enough :)
Thanks Jem & co! :)
If we pre-ordered through classic rock, but don't get the album (and t-shirt) early this week, who do we need to contact? I spoke to JJ last week, and he said the CRS stuff was mostly sorted, tried to check with TLD but she hasn't replied, and it's a no show as of yet. I can't complain, cause i've been listening to it since Saturday (thanks to emusic), but I have a funny feeling that the CD and shirt may end up vanishing into CRS hyperspace!
same here still waiting :cry:
Same here, TLD was going to pm me today after i chased it up with her but not heard anything yet......bah! :(
So it looks very unlikely that it will be waiting for me when I get home :(
i orderd mine on crs like many others did, it would be nice if someone in the know could let us know if everything is ok .
I think the CRS route may have turned out to be a mistake, i have the album anyway just want to hear and watch all the extras...would be nice if JJ or TLD made a thread explaining what if anything went wrong with the CRS orders and if its being /been resolved.
Quote from: "Rick"I think the CRS route may have turned out to be a mistake, i have the album anyway just want to hear and watch all the extras...would be nice if JJ or TLD made a thread explaining what if anything went wrong with the CRS orders and if its being /been resolved.
I think you'll find JJ said on several occasions, any problems PM TLD or himself.
CRS merely passed the orders on to JJ/TLD
Quote from: "Mikey"Quote from: "Rick"I think the CRS route may have turned out to be a mistake, i have the album anyway just want to hear and watch all the extras...would be nice if JJ or TLD made a thread explaining what if anything went wrong with the CRS orders and if its being /been resolved.
I think you'll find JJ said on several occasions, any problems PM TLD or himself.
CRS merely passed the orders on to JJ/TLD
Fair enough Mikey, i will have a little faith that TLd will pm me as promised ;)
Hi all,
We've had a mental few days, TLD more than most, and we are pretty much up to date now. We have had to re-order (yet again) the special edition, so there are some more discs to come out on that.
TLD has spent all morning for the past week filling packages and licking stamps. She then goes to the post office in the early afternoon and she does her best to answer any queries in the evening or following day as time allows.
CRS were not exactly set up to deal with the orders received, resulting in Deb going through each individual order received individually with the CRS to make sure as far as we could that we had the correct details. She had to go through nearly 100 orders in one phone call to make sure they were correct.
It's fair to say we have been overwhelmed with demand for the disc, and if it hadn't been for Deb, who has given freely of her time above and beyond the call of duty, we would have been absolutely stuffed, so any queries, PM TLD, any problems PM me and we will sort it.
Cheers
JJJ
Thanks for the update JJ, i am sure everyone appreciates the work that TLD and yourself have been doing, its just sheer enthusiasm for the package thats making me and probably others twitchy, also you have given an idea of the scale of the orders you have been dealing with...
Quote from: "J Jonah Jameson"Hi all,
We've had a mental few days, TLD more than most, and we are pretty much up to date now. We have had to re-order (yet again) the special edition, so there are some more discs to come out on that.
TLD has spent all morning for the past week filling packages and licking stamps. She then goes to the post office in the early afternoon and she does her best to answer any queries in the evening or following day as time allows.
CRS were not exactly set up to deal with the orders received, resulting in Deb going through each individual order received individually with the CRS to make sure as far as we could that we had the correct details. She had to go through nearly 100 orders in one phone call to make sure they were correct.
It's fair to say we have been overwhelmed with demand for the disc, and if it hadn't been for Deb, who has given freely of her time above and beyond the call of duty, we would have been absolutely stuffed, so any queries, PM TLD, any problems PM me and we will sort it.
Cheers
JJJ
Yup big thanks from me...
Incidentally... i ordered through CRS and mine arrived Saturday, so I'm sure the orders were passed on okay... I think its just the post office fannying around again (as usual) :roll:
I PMd TLD last week, but didn't get a reply. I'll hold out and see what comes tomorrow morning before trying again. Wouldn't want to create unnecesary work for her, only to find CD and Shirt in tomorrow's post...
Thanks for the update!
Since I was so slow ordering my limited edition (thankfully I was a lot faster booking my ticket for the gig!) I'm guessing it's in the "re-order" pile and it'll be a while longer.
Lovely work, JJJ & TLD!!!
It was waiting for me when I got home as I'd hoped along with t-shirt and beanie :D
OMG I just listened to the Wonderland instrumental!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Aha! Congrats number 1! I wondered how long it would take.
Are you coming to the Peel gig? If so, first pint's on me. :D
Yep! And ooo thank you very much sir :D This gig compensates very much for me missing you recording in Kingston... I also let Dr. Ean know about it, so hopefully he'll be there as well ;)
Quote from: "Qjimbo"Yep! And ooo thank you very much sir :D This gig compensates very much for me missing you recording in Kingston... I also let Dr. Ean know about it, so hopefully he'll be there as well ;)
That's a great idea. Tell the old bugger to email me will you? He and I need a drink. :D
Well, TLD just confirmed to me that CRS lost my order :( so, if anyone else is in the same boat, looks as though we'll be waiting a bit longer yet.
Should have listened to people's negative comments about CRS- what a crap service!!
There had been a problem with my CRS order, but TLD has confirmed it tonight, and it will be shipped tomorrow. :D
If you are unsure, then PM TLD and she will sort it out I'm sure.
She's doing a marvellous job!!!
Sorry to hear that I guess I was very lucky then to get my CD, t-shirt and beanie especially as I ordered them separate but they all arrived safely in one package. TLD did a great job of chasing up my order as I didn't get a confirmation email from the CRS for one of the transactions.
Quote from: "MikeEvs"Sorry to hear that I guess I was very lucky then to get my CD, t-shirt and beanie especially as I ordered them separate but they all arrived safely in one package. TLD did a great job of chasing up my order as I didn't get a confirmation email from the CRS for one of the transactions.
Hmmmmm. I did get a confirmation, but nothing yet. As I've downloaded the album, I think I'll wait for the real parcel manglers to get their fingers out before giving TLD some extra work.
well, I'm way over here on this side of the water, so I'll keep waiting a while before I assume it's lost!
Booo, haven't got mine either, but have PM'd so will wait for reply.
Pretty shoddy stuff from CRS I reckon. Advance kudos to TLD if she can sort out my order !
Anyway, I've not heard it; is it any good ? :D
For what it's worth, my CRS order (Signed Special Edition, T-shirt, and clingy windowy thingys) arrived this morning as hoped, anticipated, and devoutly desired. So, no complaints from me at least, although I can imagine the frustration for those whose orders didn't make it.
That said, I haven't allowed myself the pleasure of listening at work today; saving it for the drive home. Soon, soon.
Still nothing over here for me. The only consolation is that when I ordered the tour sampler over the summer, they didn't notify me then either when it had shipped. So I'm hoping it's on its way, but there's no real way of knowing. Kind of nerve wracking. Every single bloody email I get, I start sweating hoping that it's going to be from the hall office and that my package has arrived.
Bah. Freaking Kirksville. Mail system isn't very good.
With every fabulous listen I can almost hear the hobits and the guardians of old school prog growing ever more jealous ... I see the term pop being used to label some songs which i dont understand, as if a song can be dissmised as pop and therefore somehow trivial and not worthy for consideration as a prog song.
I hate labels, compartmentalising music makes no sense to me, it's either brilliant or shit and all points inbetween, it either moves you or it doesn't. To me this is a spectacular, intricate and at times delicate album, lovingly assembled by a master of modern production. Maybe it's the slick modern prodution and vocal effects which are challenging peoples preconceptions of what is and isn't prog, I'd say simply open your ears, drink in every sumptuous note and enjoy the wonderful songs and performances of a bunch of musicians at the top of their game!
I am loving this album, it's different to Milliontown, and all the better for it. Well done guys it's farking brilliant!!
I can't get enough of this, I love it all. Oddly, I'm the most excited about the quieter tracks, Saline and the Secret Song.
And the first time Toys came on i just grinned. Fantasic that one is.
I also did a little advertising at this site I frequent:
http://www.ozprog.com/forum/showthread.php?p=143871 (http://www.ozprog.com/forum/showthread.php?p=143871)
Quote from: "Jem"Aha! Congrats number 1! I wondered how long it would take.
Are you coming to the Peel gig? If so, first pint's on me. :D
What what what?
QuoteIndustry!
Science and Technology!
*plink plink*
Big men, putting screwdrivers into things!
Turning them, and adjusting them!
What what what?!?!
You'll understand once you get the DVD :)
I've emailed CRS to see if I can get any info from whoever's meant to be delivering it. :(
Still no EIMA here :cry:
I know, I know. Heartbreak. I've never been so unhappy in my life to get a Frank Zappa album. Dangit, EIMA was supposed to beat that here by a lot. Gah. I want the Frost*, but I still have no idea if my order's got issues or if it's just my local mailing system. I wish CRS sent out posting confirmations...
still waiting :cry:
Not just me then :( Heroes and Prison Break for me tonight. Only thing that got me through work was the expectation that the postman had been.
Just listening to the "instrumental" version of Wonderland and I almost fell off my chair laughing, your right Mr Godfrey I wasn't expecting that :lol:
Earlier on (probably on the wrong thread! LOL) I said I love EIMA, but tentatively wondered if I missed some of the lyrical / melodic features of MT, speculated if a little more breathing space might have been no bad thing, and mentioned peetering out at the end.
Scrap all that. On my 8th or 9th listen now, and I was wrong... :o
This is great, great stuff - and the DDD-Falling Down pair are just phenomenal; I also like how with further listens the choruses in "Falling Down" are actually quite chilled out and funky...
Also, the chorus of 'Wonderland' (just before the 4 minute mark) has just finally hit me fully - wow, this is good.
I can't remember the last time I got an album that I felt compelled to listen to over and over within only a few days of first hearing it. There are plenty of prog (and other) albums I admire a lot that I've had for years, but that I've never listened to more than 3 or 4 times in total. So for EIMA to be playing almost constantly for the last four days is really something for me...
Cheers
David
No album yet for me :(
Hoping that my emails will sort out my order.
Quote from: "Drarok"I've emailed CRS to see if I can get any info from whoever's meant to be delivering it. :(
PM TLD
Not sure if anyone else has noticed and posted on this yet, but the ending of Secret Song sounds very much like a storm fading off into the distance, with the toms taking the part of the thunder accompanied by Jem's beautiful distorted keys, both slowly disappearing over the horizon.
Of course, EIMA-the-song plays in with a similar pulsing heartbeat, rain, and a real thunder sample, so all in all, one could say that EIMA-the-album represents the perfect storm rolling by. And given the intensity of the divine noise that crashes in over the intervening 57 minutes, that storm is damn near in your back garden.
Wonderful, simply wonderful, from beginning to end, gentlemen. Favourite song? Whichever one is playing at any given moment :D
(Oh, and Jem; if the ending to Secret Song is any indication of your future activities in the ambient direction, as suggested in one of your blog posts I think, you can most definitely sign me up; have you heard Peter Broderick's "Float"? Beautiful.)
Quote from: "Trapezium Artist"with the toms
No Tom's, think we upset him with the hyperquoting
posties been still not here :roll:
Hello new forum, this is my first post.
Got mine at lunchtime today, signed DVD edition, plus the halftone-screen teeshirt and white window sticker. I even got a bonus mark on the back of my copy of some wet ink from another signature!
Haven't been able to read the whole thread yet, so apologies for any repetition, but listening at the moment in the dark of a November afternoon to Saline, well, it sounds like good music for the time of year. I first listened to Selling England By The Pound at this time of year and it's got that same ruddy-cheeked, twigs snapping underfoot, walking home across the fields to freshly-hewn sap-fresh logs tossed on an open fire, erm, vibe about it.
Hello Jim, Welcome again!
I know what you mean, Wind and Wuthering's the same for me. I first heard it around this time and everytime I hear the opening to 11th Earl Of Mar, I'm in deepest November even if I'm in deepest June.
Quote from: "Trapezium Artist"Of course, EIMA-the-song plays in with a similar pulsing heartbeat, rain, and a real thunder sample, so all in all, one could say the EIMA-the-album represents the perfect storm rolling by. And given the intensity of the divine noise that crashes in over the intervening 57 minutes, that storm is damn near in your back garden.
So the whole thing runs beautifully on 'repeat album' :D
The first time I listened to the secret song, I was in the conservatory with headphones on - and I really did think there was storm brewing up when the thunder cut in.
So just how many circuit bent toys did you use in DDD then Jem?? :D
Quote from: "Mikey"Quote from: "Trapezium Artist"with the toms
No Tom's, think we upset him with the hyperquoting
Just his phone browser.
Well I downloaded the album from torrents, because I got tired of waiting. And now seeing as there is the CRS crisis, I'm glad I did. Though it does spoil it some not being able to hear it on the signed special edition cd/dvd I ordered. But thank you JJJ and TLD for you guys fixing the fuck up on CRS. The album is absolutely amazing! When I heard it all the way through in my car I was blown away. So thank you for all 5 of your effort in this amazing piece of music!
Finaly got to hear it i couldnt wait any longer so i downloaded it and i must say what a kick ass cd it is ,it really has an edge to it i think ddd is a stand out track and those drums on pocket sun are just dynamite :shock:
It arrived today together with my tickets for the Zoetermeer gig! :D
Right now I'm appreciating the fact that ITS HERE!! :lol:
Thanks!
(It came with a little bit of paper saying 'Thank you for your order! Keep up to date with all things Frost*, including our new shop, at' :o :lol: )
First post on the new forum :)
Just checked the status of my EIMA-order at play.com. It says "packing".. so I'm hoping to get my copy within a week *fingers crossed*
Can't wait to finally hear the album and watch the dvd!
Quote from: "MartijnB"First post on the new forum :)
Just checked the status of my EIMA-order at play.com. It says "packing".. so I'm hoping to get my copy within a week *fingers crossed*
Can't wait to finally hear the album and watch the dvd!
Welcome, as usual make yourself at home & grab a biscuit or 2
OK, have just finished listening to the whole thing for the first time and as excpected I am really, really impressed but also still a bit puzzled... There is a lot of 'information' on this album to digest and it will certainly take some taking it all in.
Too bad the lyrics still aren't up at the website and that they weren't printed in the booklet but I noticed there is actually almost NO information in the booklet or on the packaging. If you remove the sticket IO put on with the bandmembers you won't know who plays on it, where it was recorded, who did what, who did the artwork etc. etc. Pretty much a deliberate attempt at non-information and would love to know what Jem's idea behind it is.
Regarding the lyrics: I noticed there are at least a few cross-references between different songs with a mention of Wonderland in Welcome To Nowhere and I believe I picked up some words / melody from Falling Down in a backing vocal section in another song.
Production wise it is quite a radical album and quite drastic departure from the sound of Milliontown but I love that... I love a band that keeps changing, that tries to surprise its fans with something new / different.
P.S. I don't know who mentioned Peter Broderick but I would have never thought to have seen his name on this forum. And yes, Peter Broderick makes excellent music but I wouldn't call him ambient as such. Have seen him twice in the past year as an opening act for Danish band Efterklang (Broderick is also part of their liveband) and his Float album is quite a beautiful album.
I've just had my first proper listen, thanks to emusic and a CD that I burned at home and just cranked up through the hi-fi. The attempted listen that I tried at work on my MP3 player didn't work for me - I gave up after the 4th person had tapped me on the shoulder to tell me that my phone was ringing, which spoilt the flow rather.
What an amazing album! My hopes and expectations were really high after falling completely in love with Milliontown earlier this year, and the phenomenal Summersend set that I saw. I'm so pleased to be able to report that it's even better than I thought it was going to be. It's so beautifully structured, with the intricacies that really appeal to me and will doubtless repay many future listenings. And the songs themselves are splendid. The only thing that I have just noticed that I didn't notice was the bass... as a bass player myself I generally keep at least half an ear tuned in to the lower frequencies as I'm particularly interested to hear what the bass player is up to. I shall have to listen to it several more times now to find out what is going on.
Well I've had my first day with it and just wow. It started out good but like Milliontown its not an album you can soak in in one or even five goes. I've pretty much listened to it all day and its just incredible. Everything a good prog album should be!
The worst (I guess) thing is that I don't think Frost* is even half as good as they could be. I think there's a lot more potential to this group thats still to be let out (and I'm no sycophantic elephant) and so I really hope there's a long future in it!
Good work boys!
Quote from: "catherine"The only thing that I have just noticed that I didn't notice was the bass... I shall have to listen to it several more times now to find out what is going on.
Funny you should say that....the same thing struck me, largely because the gear I've listened most with so far (the car stereo and the less-than-brilliant headphones at work) has little ooomph in the bass end. My ears don't help much either, as it happens.
With Milliontown, it wasn't really until I got to see JJ playing it live that the level of complexity and the brilliance of the bass parts really hit home.
Someone else commented on here that seeing the bass part for BLM represented in a Guitar Hero style video made them twig that there was more to it than they previously realised.
Interesting.
Quote from: "catherine"The only thing that I have just noticed that I didn't notice was the bass... as a bass player myself I generally keep at least half an ear tuned in to the lower frequencies as I'm particularly interested to hear what the bass player is up to. I shall have to listen to it several more times now to find out what is going on.
I noticed a pretty funky bass part in "Welcome to Nowhere" ;)
Both Juniors like the album, though Amelia doesn't like Saline.
DDD appears to be a joint favourite :D
Which daughter was the poppy one and which was the prog one again? =P
My copy finally arrived last Friday. My first impression was that it's a bit different than Milliontown, but I don't see that as a problem whatsoever. It's still Frost*..
Honestly, although it took me a couple of spins, this might be my favorite 2008 record :) I love the way it's all been arranged. Jem isn't afraid to try out new things, hoorah for that!
I'm also having a great time watching all the Frost* reports again on my tv. Minor complaint;no fullscreen-size videos. Nah, forget that..;)
Quote from: "MartijnB"Honestly, although it took me a couple of spins, this might be my favorite 2008 record :) I love the way it's all been arranged. Jem isn't afraid to try out new things, hoorah for that!
That seems to be the case with a lot of people I have spoken to: it does take a few spins to wrap your head around all of it. It is a pretty dense album, lots of stuff happening in 55 minutes.
I love bands that take me on a ride in the sense that they honestly try not to repeat themselves too much without totally alienating their fans. Probably also the reason why I really love bands like Echolyn (//http://www.echolyn.com) or my fellow countrymen The Gathering.
Good lord - 13 pages in and the conversation still actually pertains to the thread title.
I like EIMA a lot. First impression was actually pretty lukewarm, but with a couple more spins it has really grown on me.
In the past I've found that the albums I love from the get-go are the ones that wane the fastest. Conversely, the stuff that takes a little while to settle in usually seems to last the distance, and I'll listen again and again.
Thank you :)
I completely missed that thread in the old palce, but I'll go now and start another one :)
What's a palce?
its a bit like cream cheese but with rind. I think it's made with Yak Milk.
Well since my pre-ordered copy is still on it's way (I hope!) I've used other means (what could that be!) to get the album, to which I've listened to about 10 times now. I don't know if I'm the first to say this on this forum, but I don't really like it that much. Sure it's catchy and heavy and well produced, but... I'm not connecting with like I did with Milliontown. Not that I wanted a Milliontown II for that matter. I applaud taking another approach, but unfortunately it's less my cup of tea. I'll give it more time though.
That's fair comment expressed in perfectly reasonable terms.
Jem expected that not everyone will end up liking it as much. :)
I'd urge you to keep trying but of course that's up to you.
All the best,
Pedro
Quote from: "Pedro"That's fair comment expressed in perfectly reasonable terms.
Jem expected that not everyone will end up liking it as much. :)
I'd urge you to keep trying but of course that's up to you.
All the best,
Pedro
Sure, but that's the case of every single band that release an album. There will always be people that think differently. The first album is easier, then there's no expectations really :D
I too did the download thing, while waiting for the CD to turn up.
There are bits I really like, and bits that I can quite happily live without. The bits I really like are permanently lodged in my head, and don't show any sign of letting go! :)
I wonder what the first 2nd album sounded like, the one he scraped in it's entirety (saw that on one of the video blogs).
Two days in and I really thought that on the whole I was not liking it. However, I'm a firm believer in giving thigs a fair trial... now a couple of weeks on and I'm really enjoying it. Even Wonderland, which on the tour CD I had not embraced is now well established as a fave. The synth arpeggio on the second "Heros" is just fantastic.
It's complex, very complex, just give it time :D
Well, my first Frosties post!
I just want to say EIMA is stunning ( a great headphone and car album too!) and love the complete Youtube clips - I LIKE!
Not sure if anyone is interested but I have a place in Second Life where I love promoting the music of prog bands. Hopefully in the new year we'll be promoting Tinyfish, would love to do the same for Frost* I've got a poster advert up for the new album already :)
Take care fellow Frosties
Moogy :)
Quote from: "moogy"Not sure if anyone is interested but I have a place in Second Life where I love promoting the music of prog bands.
In that case I suppose one could say that you're a
second life saviour...
*killed*
Hehehe!
I went into SL as a sceptic when I saw it on the news and pretty soon realised its an untapped source of musical promotion. Since then I promote both my own music and that of the more famous bands :) I've spoke to Jem's brother Simon on several occasions in SL, and its a real thrill being able to talk with real musicians in real time even though we are miles apart.
Try it out :)
Take Care everyone,
Moog :)
I really like both MT and EIMA, but after having listened to both extensively, they're like two excellent albums, but by two different bands. Not that there's anything even remotely wrong with that, it's just that there appears (to me) to be a monumental departure in how each album was conceived, and to be fair to the lads, Jem did "warn" us of this. I enjoy both albums greatly, and Jem... I care not that you consider MT to be a bit of a wank-fest. Sometimes us li'l people need to hear you lot, er... wankin' off. :twisted: Musically, of course.
Disclaimer : The Department of Decency completely washes its hands of this post.
Quote from: "Qjimbo"Which daughter was the poppy one and which was the prog one again? =P
Both Ebony & Amelia like both.
Mandy (Wife) has the vast Now !!!! collection, and is probably the only person to fall asleep during both Deep Purple & Joe Satriani concerts
I've been listening to EIMA for a week now and I must say that it grows on every spin. DDD is my favorite track because it's so explosive. After listening to the instrumental versions I noticed parts that didn't attract attention in the versions with vocals, very nice to hear that too.
I realy loved eima from the first time i heard it , however on repeated plays i have to say the impossible has happend and it has got even better , at first i thought of it as the songs i already knew and the ones i didnt , but know ive come to appreciate it as a work in its own right and it really is a great record something i think that will be appreciated for years to come.
I'd have to confess that before EIMA got its sizeable hooks into me I figured my "best album" vote was going to another release.
Quote from: "Pedro"I'd have to confess that before EIMA got its sizeable hooks into me I figured my "best album" vote was going to another release.
Oooh do tell?
It Bites? Magenta?
Those are my top 3 along with EIMA.
....remind me never to play poker with you!
Yes they are the front runners.
:) Pendragon's "Pure" is thereabouts too but if just those four were on the shelf and I was reaching for a disk right now, I think I know which one it would be! :)
Quote from: "Pedro"....remind me never to play poker with you!
Yes they are the front runners.
:) Pendragon's "Pure" is thereabouts too but if just those four were on the shelf and I was reaching for a disk right now, I think I know which one it would be! :)
Ah yes I have a feeling that one will be creeping up the list as I get to know it a bit more, along with Martin Orford's 'The Old Road' and Karmakanic's 'Who's The Boss in the Factory'.
Definitely in the top 5 though is 'Not as Good as the Book'. Superb album which was even better live! Oh and 'Sleeping in Traffic Part 2'.
Lots of good albums this year!
Got EIMA yesterday.
It's totally totally trouser-exploding!
Magnificent!
B xx :P
First few listens blew my mind! I love the energy of this album! :mrgreen:
Well done Sir Jem of Godfreyshire. 8-)
Quote from: "Batchain"Got EIMA yesterday.
It's totally totally trouser-exploding!
Magnificent!
B xx :P
There's a lot of reference to trousers in the forum today!
I do hope they soon recover...
Good point. How would the ladies describe the EIMA experience?
Skirt lifting?
(//http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2008/04/15/monroe_narrowweb__300x368,0.jpg)
:)
...and suddenly my brain has this vision of a comic strip where an EIMA CD with arms and legs walks up to a woman wearing a skirts, lifts it and shouts: "Hello?"
Well, first post on this lovely forum...
Had to post my happiness at the new album! A friend had Milliontown, played it a few times in the background, I thought it was good... And left it at that.
I then discovered the Cube update videos - followed the making of the album (the sounds REALLY caught my attention)!, eventually bought it... and I think I'm finally converted!
It's a great album (one of my favourites from this year... and there's been so much new music too) with an amazing opening track, right through to the hidden one at the end. Great work and looking forward to playing this for years to come!
Welcome, jack. It is rather pleasing to the ear, isn't it?
Quote from: "gr8gonzo"Welcome, jack. It is rather pleasing to the ear, isn't it?
Definitely!
Although I find myself messing with the volume in my car constantly with this record! The louds are so loud, and the quiets are so quiet... This coupled with a car engine and a motorway makes me reach for the volume button a lot!
Certainly true of the first two tracks. All part of Jem's sinister plan to make us buy new audio systems. :D
Quote from: "gr8gonzo"Certainly true of the first two tracks. All part of Jem's sinister plan to make us buy new audio systems. :D
...so long as he's paying! ;)
After a first spin, all I can say is I'm very, very surprised. I wasn't expecting such a change, despite all that was said in the many Frost* reports all this time.
EIMA definitely severed almost all ties with Milliontown. Is it better, or worse ? Neither, really, it's just different. But not entirely different...
Because I can still feel this very unique enthusiasm that exudes from every note, this brilliant, cristalline melodic work which seems to be gathering musical energy and then, here and there, merely let this energy flow away freely with a peculiar melancholy that never fails to touch me.
This "Frost* mood" I can't find anywhere else - and here it is. Had to wait two years to have it back. It's both very clear to me (I can't help but feel it when listening), and at the same time absolutely impossible to define. A kind of magic, really (pun completely intended).
Oh, how many more times I'm gonna listen to this record... I can say the aforementioned enthusiasm leaked into me already. I feel good :)
Quote from: "Valhall"it's just different. But not entirely different...
Wise words, indeed!
Quote from: "jackgnic"Now where did I put that CD...
it's in the cd player, silly, where it belongs!!
welcome, jack! 8-)
YES!!!!!! I got it today!!!! So far....I am blown away!
First impression:
Much better IMO than Milliontown......better songs, MANY more goosebump moments! There is SO MUCH more PROG here than I was led to believe!
The chorus to Dear Dead Days is absolutely FUCKING brilliant.....wow.
Dec Burke is KING! His vocals add so much....witness the chorus on Toys.
THis album has many layers.....and I am psyched to find them all.
And the more you listen to it, Mick, the better it gets. The detail is lovely.
It does indeed! My thoughts as I blast through about my 8th spin....
Three absolute killer songs in my book:
Dear Dead Days....I HATE the keyboard intro that sounds like a cheesy video game.....however, this is an absolute killer prog tune in every way.....and again, the chorus is KILLER!
Toys....call it prog, call it rock, call it what you will......I call it just a great song.!
Falling Down....it's impossible NOT to love this one!
I really dig this album! Least favorite....."Saline". Just not my thang.
On the plus side.....I think the addition of Dec Burke was brilliant....he adds a whole new dimension and range. I also think the songs are strong, the production is great, and it falls in my preference of 3-5 minute songs, less wanking, and more ebb and flow.
The negatives?.....the album is overly dense in some places...almost to the point of ripping your face off! :) In spots it works, in others, I find myself wishing I could hear the detail of some of the parts a bit more. I also think the vocals are over effected in spots. Other than that..........WOW!
Today is a DDD day! :lol:
Ok.....with the benefit of three days to totally absorb this album, I have to be honest in saying my feelings on this album are VERY mixed.
As I said before.....I think song wise this album is stronger than Milliontown overall, with three being absolute monsters. I also think Dec Burke's addition was a masterstroke.
HOWEVER, at the risk of suffering the slings and arrows of everyone on this forum, I have to say that in many places on this album, the overall sound is almost annoying to be honest. For instance, from 32 seconds on, "Pocket Sun" is almost un-listenable to me. It is so dense/cluttered, and distorted that it is hard to take. I think in general it is due to the big resonant synths, and the dense arrangements, coupled with that trash can cymbal throughout the song. Being honest, much of the album has similar issues. It is very difficult to distinguish individual synth/guitar parts, vocal lines, etc......in places things just get buried and it is really a mess. The dynamic range on this album is amazing.....but almost to extremes. Some of the soft passages are almost inaudible, and some of the heavier parts are just too much.
It's a bit frustrating to be honest.
I can understand your opinion on the density of the sound, but.... that also adds to the overall feel of the album. For me it took some time to get used to, but now I've listened to it over 10 times I really love the album in general. Up tempo songs are nicely mixed with slower songs throughout the album. I like that. And with regard to the dynamics a good sound system will do a lot of good. In a car there is always a lot of background noise that will prevent you from hearing softer parts.
Have you tried having a good listen to the instrumentals before giving it another go? Worked for me.
Quote from: "pastoor"In a car there is always a lot of background noise that will prevent you from hearing softer parts.
Wife......Kids...........Mother
Quote from: "Sarah"Have you tried having a good listen to the instrumentals before giving it another go? Worked for me.
I will give that a shot Sarah...thanks. I have already played the CD in my home system, on three different set of monitors in my studio, and in my car.....all with the same results. But that's worth a shot.
It's not obligatory to like it.
(But I think we're all trying to resist the normal internet temptation to start huge flame wars because of liking/not liking. And that starts with remembering to present it all as personal opinion and emotional response rather than assuming this messy music stuff can be reduced to 'facts')
No flames required. The point is, I DO like it very much.....I just find MYSELF wishing there was a little more clarity in spots to let it breath so I can appreciate some of the individual parts that make it what it is.
Quote from: "Mickdoo22"It does indeed! My thoughts as I blast through about my 8th spin....
Three absolute killer songs in my book:
Dear Dead Days....I HATE the keyboard intro that sounds like a cheesy video game.....however, this is an absolute killer prog tune in every way.....and again, the chorus is KILLER!
Toys....call it prog, call it rock, call it what you will......I call it just a great song.!
Falling Down....it's impossible NOT to love this one!
I really dig this album! Least favorite....."Saline". Just not my thang.
On the plus side.....I think the addition of Dec Burke was brilliant....he adds a whole new dimension and range. I also think the songs are strong, the production is great, and it falls in my preference of 3-5 minute songs, less wanking, and more ebb and flow.
The negatives?.....the album is overly dense in some places...almost to the point of ripping your face off! :) In spots it works, in others, I find myself wishing I could hear the detail of some of the parts a bit more. I also think the vocals are over effected in spots. Other than that..........WOW!
After a few days of mass EIMA absorption, I have to say that the solo break in Falling Down is my absolute highlight moment of this album. One of the most powerful, moving, perfect solo breaks I've ever heard. Brilliant!
Initially, I hate to say it, but I was a little let down on my 1st listen. "This is no Milliontown part II" I said to myself, but after getting that out of my head, and really listening to EMIA for what it was, I find myself liking it as much as Milliontown. I think I was expecting another Black Light Machine epic type song to be included.
Also, listening to the instrumentals helped me gain new respect and understanding of the songs. So glad I got the bonus DVD. Well worth the $.
So far, favorite tracks are Welcome to Nowhere, Pocket Sun, DDD, and the afore mentioned Falling Down.
Just can't get enough of this great album right now!
Quote from: "Philip_T"Also, listening to the instrumentals helped me gain new respect and understanding of the songs. !
Mickdoo - did the instrumentals assist you too?
If they didn't, well as per Tom, taste is very personal. Some people here think GnR were rubbish and others think that Asia are good, some prefer H to Fish?? (etc etc ) Tis what makes us human.
(For the record IMO - GnR great, Asia yuck, Fish 101%)
Got the 'proper' version yesterday, only had the Play download before and had no chance to digest it previously.
Love it, it has now sneaked up on Happiness Is The Road : Essence, hit it over the head with a large plank and taken it's position as album of the year.
You are all geniuses and I salute you :D
Hey All
Dont know if many of you check out one of the hotspots for Prog on the twinternet called The Dividing Line (http://www.thedividingline.com (http://www.thedividingline.com)), but Shawn Bishop (owner and DJ) has put together an extended review/walk through the world of Frost* this weekend. Some will be familiar with Frans Keylard's show on the site (http://www.thedividingline.com/rg.html (http://www.thedividingline.com/rg.html)) which plays Frost* regularly.
Check it out at http://www.thedividingline.com/btl.html (http://www.thedividingline.com/btl.html) - Three hours of Frost*!!!!
Enjoy
Mike
p.s. v.annoyed not to be able to get the gigs this weekend (loving ItBites latest too!)
Quote from: "MikeO"Hey All
Dont know if many of you check out one of the hotspots for Prog on the twinternet called The Dividing Line (http://www.thedividingline.com (http://www.thedividingline.com)), but Shawn Bishop (owner and DJ) has put together an extended review/walk through the world of Frost* this weekend. Some will be familiar with Frans Keylard's show on the site (http://www.thedividingline.com/rg.html (http://www.thedividingline.com/rg.html)) which plays Frost* regularly.
Check it out at http://www.thedividingline.com/btl.html (http://www.thedividingline.com/btl.html) - Three hours of Frost*!!!!
Enjoy
Mike
p.s. v.annoyed not to be able to get the gigs this weekend (loving ItBites latest too!)
I just got to the part where the guy is RANTING AND RAVING about Jem's decision to not have any toms on the drumkit and how "utterly pointless" of a decision it was, saying that it's limited Andy's abilities for no reason at all. Seriously, I actually muttered something to myself when I heard this that I won't repeat here... but c'mon! EIMA has a very distinct sound because of decisions like these, and I think EIMA's drum track is perfect for the album and sounds great regardless.
In reaction to three different snares: "It's not good enough!!" Well feck off!
Haha and they even praise a particular part of drumming on Milliontown mentioning Andy's genius of using the whole drum kit in an interesting way... yet what are the chances that's just Jem? Or at least Jem's original beat just played by Andy? :lol:
LOL, they even think there might be some "bad blood" between Andy and Jem because Jem keeps being very specific about how he wants the drums, and have already begun saying what is or isn't "prog". :roll:
Everything Jem did on EIMA was targeted directly at people like the one guy who keeps complaining about everything on the album, and constantly mentioning how angry it makes him! Ahhhh I can't take much more of this! :D
EDIT: Sorry to keep adding more but... once again, "The guitar solo at the end of Falling Down is the best part of the song" :lol:
I'm downloading it at present - I plan to listen to it over Christmas in the kitchen while chained to the stove!
It was amazing how the guy (who must have been a drummer from his views) seemed to think that it was WRONG to do this - Frost is progressive music - i.e. taking it somewhere it wasn't before. Jem wanted to see what it would sound like to put Andy into the no-toms situation, forcing him to be creative through it. So yes it doesn't sound like everything else out there - but isn't that the point sometimes.
Having not see the band live (yet), does Andy use toms in the kit or not? I'd heard for the spocks gigs he was using the headliners kit but what about the Frost headlines...
Anyway - an interesting listen - and as I don't have the album yet (please santa) and the only chance Ive had to listen to it all the way thorugh.
Mike
Quote from: "MikeO"Having not see the band live (yet), does Andy use toms in the kit or not? I'd heard for the spocks gigs he was using the headliners kit but what about the Frost headlines...
Yes, he does.
For the Peel gig he had just 2 toms:
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(As you can see, I was standing in rather a good position to see the master at work! In fact, I was close enough to see the one drip of sweat he excreted throughout the whole performance :P)
He basically adjusts what exactly he plays to what he has available in front of him.
QuoteIndustry!
Science and Technology!
*plink plink*
Big men, putting screwdrivers into things!
Turning them, and adjusting them!
Finally got to listening to the instrumental version of EIMA (OK, I went too far on the Ipod and couldnt be bothered to put the right album on) and 3 minutes into Welcome to nowhere... Jem, you owe me a new PC monitor as I had a coffee/screen interface incident!!!
ps. Think I might use that as a sig on a couple of forums I lurk on, if that`s OK.
Have you got as far as Wonderland yet then?
I must admit the first time I heard the Wonderland Instrumental I was high as a kite and it just BUGGED me out. At first I had to ask myself, "is this still frost!? WTH is going on!?" Then I realized what it had turned into and.... yeah absolutely awesome. I like that version better definitely.
Quote from: "tomskerous"Have you got as far as Wonderland yet then?
Yeah, still trying to figure all that stuff out.
Strange but fun
Does anybody happen to have that Shawn Bishop "Frost in review" show available? The link I managed to fetch from the show's RSS is broken.
If it's too large to upload anywhere don't do it, only if it's no problem. Thanks!