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Title: Welcome to Nowhere-QUESTION
Post by: Mickdoo22 on April 19, 2010, 02:07:38 AM
I love the sound of the acoustic guitars in the verses of "Welcome To Nowhere"......and the tone is pefect!  I was hoping Jem could explain how he got the sound.....how many tracks?  compression?  what mics?  eq?  etc....
Title: Re: Welcome to Nowhere-QUESTION
Post by: Jem on April 19, 2010, 10:24:43 AM
Why thank you! :D

It was 4 takes of Dec playing my lovely Taylor acoustic (now sold, a mistake in hindsight...) It was recorded with a Neumann TLM 103 through my trusty Focusrite Platinum Voicemaster Pro with the vintage harmonics turned up a fair way, the optical compressor just set to a very light squash and the tube sound setting set halfway between cool and warm/mellow and bright.

From there it went through the Focusrite D3 compressor in ProTools and through McDSP's excellent excellent Filter Bank plug in. Probably with a load of air added and most of the bottom rolled off. I added some extra bite with the Sonnox Oxford Transient Modulator plug in. Then the first set of two takes would be panned hard left and right and the second set of takes panned in a bit from the first two.

The extended chords were done by Dec playing different chords on two of the four takes, so on two takes, he'd play an A maj, then on the next 2 at the same point, he'd play a B7. He did that with the C maj bit too by playing a D7.

Et voila!
Title: Re: Welcome to Nowhere-QUESTION
Post by: RacingHippo on April 19, 2010, 10:29:22 AM
Yeah, I coulda guessed that's how you did it...
 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

Blimmin genius.
Title: Re: Welcome to Nowhere-QUESTION
Post by: flamadiddle on April 19, 2010, 10:54:31 AM
Mmmm.  C Lydian goodness :)
Title: Re: Welcome to Nowhere-QUESTION
Post by: gr8gonzo on April 19, 2010, 12:23:24 PM
Quote from: "Jem"Why thank you! :D

It was 4 takes of Dec playing my lovely Taylor acoustic (now sold, a mistake in hindsight...) It was recorded with a Neumann TLM 103 through my trusty Focusrite Platinum Voicemaster Pro with the vintage harmonics turned up a fair way, the optical compressor just set to a very light squash and the tube sound setting set halfway between cool and warm/mellow and bright.

From there it went through the Focusrite D3 compressor in ProTools and through McDSP's excellent excellent Filter Bank plug in. Probably with a load of air added and most of the bottom rolled off. I added some extra bite with the Sonnox Oxford Transient Modulator plug in. Then the first set of two takes would be panned hard left and right and the second set of takes panned in a bit from the first two.

The extended chords were done by Dec playing different chords on two of the four takes, so on two takes, he'd play an A maj, then on the next 2 at the same point, he'd play a B7. He did that with the C maj bit too by playing a D7.

Et voila!

Duh!  :P

Seriously, though, I've always really loved that sound, too. Coming out of that wall of sound chorus and going back into verses could have been very ordinary. Instead, the strumming, combined with the lower register vocal, has such a lovely effect that it feels more like a shift than a retreat.

Reading how it was accomplished is just exhausting at this early hour.
Title: Re: Welcome to Nowhere-QUESTION
Post by: Pedro on April 19, 2010, 12:41:07 PM
...and the beauty of the sound is so much more evident on the instrumental versions.
Is this something we could hope for when new tracks emerge in the future?
An instrumental TDL would be an instant paid-for download for me. :)
Hmm...the backwardsy bit would leave a bit of a hole... :?
Title: Re: Welcome to Nowhere-QUESTION
Post by: gr8gonzo on April 19, 2010, 01:05:45 PM
No worries, Pedders. I'm sure an instrumental TDL would include something unexpected in the backward portion of the track.  :D
Title: Re: Welcome to Nowhere-QUESTION
Post by: Jem on April 19, 2010, 04:05:51 PM
Quote from: "gr8gonzo"No worries, Pedders. I'm sure an instrumental TDL would include something unexpected in the backward portion of the track.  :D

Obviously. Bassoon.  :D
Title: Re: Welcome to Nowhere-QUESTION
Post by: drblowthingsup on April 19, 2010, 04:59:33 PM
OOH! Electric Bassoon ;D
Title: Re: Welcome to Nowhere-QUESTION
Post by: gr8gonzo on April 19, 2010, 05:08:08 PM
I'm sure there's a madbassoonist for hire out there somewhere!  :D
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Post by: Mickdoo22 on April 19, 2010, 06:18:08 PM
Thanks Jem!  I kinda figured it would be a sonic stew of some concoction.....I remember seeing tracking acoustics on the video reports, and remembered it being a 6-string, but on the album it sounds like a gorgeous double tracked 12-string.  I would say the verses of WTN are my favorite moments off EIMA....between the guitar sound, the brilliant syncopated drums, and the melody.......love it.
THANKS!!
Title: Re: Welcome to Nowhere-QUESTION
Post by: Jem on April 19, 2010, 10:15:53 PM
:D You're very welcome mate.
Title: Re: Welcome to Nowhere-QUESTION
Post by: Mouse on April 20, 2010, 09:41:02 PM
Quote from: "Jem"The extended chords were done by Dec playing different chords on two of the four takes, so on two takes, he'd play an A maj, then on the next 2 at the same point, he'd play a B7. He did that with the C maj bit too by playing a D7.

Hmmmm... Yup, I'm going to have to nick this technique for my own diabolical recording experiments.  :twisted:   :lol:
Title: Re: Welcome to Nowhere-QUESTION
Post by: SerFox on April 22, 2010, 08:50:46 PM
Jem, you have too many plugins...
Title: Re: Welcome to Nowhere-QUESTION
Post by: rogerg on April 23, 2010, 10:48:56 PM
Quote from: "Jem"Why thank you! :D

It was 4 takes of Dec playing my lovely Taylor acoustic (now sold, a mistake in hindsight...) It was recorded with a Neumann TLM 103 through my trusty Focusrite Platinum Voicemaster Pro with the vintage harmonics turned up a fair way, the optical compressor just set to a very light squash and the tube sound setting set halfway between cool and warm/mellow and bright.

From there it went through the Focusrite D3 compressor in ProTools and through McDSP's excellent excellent Filter Bank plug in. Probably with a load of air added and most of the bottom rolled off. I added some extra bite with the Sonnox Oxford Transient Modulator plug in. Then the first set of two takes would be panned hard left and right and the second set of takes panned in a bit from the first two.

The extended chords were done by Dec playing different chords on two of the four takes, so on two takes, he'd play an A maj, then on the next 2 at the same point, he'd play a B7. He did that with the C maj bit too by playing a D7.

Et voila!

someday you should try something interesting.
Title: Re: Welcome to Nowhere-QUESTION
Post by: gr8gonzo on April 24, 2010, 12:10:52 AM
Quote from: "rogerg"
Quote from: "Jem"Why thank you! :D

It was 4 takes of Dec playing my lovely Taylor acoustic (now sold, a mistake in hindsight...) It was recorded with a Neumann TLM 103 through my trusty Focusrite Platinum Voicemaster Pro with the vintage harmonics turned up a fair way, the optical compressor just set to a very light squash and the tube sound setting set halfway between cool and warm/mellow and bright.

From there it went through the Focusrite D3 compressor in ProTools and through McDSP's excellent excellent Filter Bank plug in. Probably with a load of air added and most of the bottom rolled off. I added some extra bite with the Sonnox Oxford Transient Modulator plug in. Then the first set of two takes would be panned hard left and right and the second set of takes panned in a bit from the first two.

The extended chords were done by Dec playing different chords on two of the four takes, so on two takes, he'd play an A maj, then on the next 2 at the same point, he'd play a B7. He did that with the C maj bit too by playing a D7.

Et voila!

someday you should try something interesting.

heh
Title: Re: Welcome to Nowhere-QUESTION
Post by: Drarok on May 12, 2010, 09:38:02 AM
Holy hell that's a lot of jiggery-pokery for a good acoustic guitar sound! No wonder mine always sounds so flat and weak! O_o
Title: Re: Welcome to Nowhere-QUESTION
Post by: Philadelphia on May 14, 2010, 01:01:33 AM
Quote from: "Jem"Why thank you! :D

It was 4 takes of Dec playing my lovely Taylor acoustic (now sold, a mistake in hindsight...)


Especially if it was transported to its new owner by air! (//http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YGc4zOqozo)
Title: Re: Welcome to Nowhere-QUESTION
Post by: Pedro on May 14, 2010, 06:55:56 AM
Heh.
Particularly like the chalk outline. :)
Title: Re: Welcome to Nowhere-QUESTION
Post by: Dec on June 25, 2010, 08:51:16 PM
My memory of this is Jem going "come on, come on, we do the pub after this take"  :D
Title: Re: Welcome to Nowhere-QUESTION
Post by: OlliR on June 26, 2010, 07:11:14 PM
That is exactly the same line I use to motivate whoever it is I am recording. It never seems to fail. :)