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Title: Roland TD20
Post by: RWA on July 28, 2012, 01:34:56 AM
After lurking for about .... 8 years or so.... I finally upgrade from a modest TD6.... to a TD20!

(//http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8421/7653106140_82c2557fbb.jpg)

(//http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8167/7653104846_c86e6ee7fa.jpg)

Still need to configure it and hook it up properly to ToonTrack SD2 but BOY is this fun!  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Roland TD20
Post by: Pedro on July 28, 2012, 08:40:36 AM
Nice!!
With the kind of playing you've been getting out of the old stuff, I really look forward to the outcome of this development.
Happy hitting. :)
Title: Re: Roland TD20
Post by: RWA on July 28, 2012, 09:37:42 AM
Quote from: "Pedro"Nice!!
With the kind of playing you've been getting out of the old stuff, I really look forward to the outcome of this development.
Happy hitting. :)
Thanks! Yes, the specs of this kit are so much more sophisticated. Every spot on the snare drum provides a slightly different sound like a real snare does. Toontrack Superior Drummer has samples on board for all that. So it brings everything alive much better.  :)
Title: Re: Roland TD20
Post by: RWA on July 29, 2012, 01:29:39 PM
Daniel (my son.. who's also a drummer) and I discussed this option numerous times. It seems to fit!  :mrgreen:

(//http://www.funtoosh.com/pictures/images/making_of_a_good_drummer.jpg)
Title: Re: Roland TD20
Post by: D S on July 29, 2012, 02:30:04 PM
Have a paradiddle while you widdle... 'Drum throne' takes on a completely new meaning!  :D
Title: Re: Roland TD20
Post by: E.S. on July 29, 2012, 07:29:27 PM
Perfect for adding a drum fill after the funniest bathroom noises. :D
Title: Re: Roland TD20
Post by: fitzy on July 29, 2012, 10:52:30 PM
Quote from: "D S"Have a paradiddle while you widdle... 'Drum throne' takes on a completely new meaning!  :D
Ha!Ha!I have a TD-12,and would respectfully suggest to the boffins at Roland,that the lumbar support afforded by the toilet cistern would be a valuable addition to any new kits in future catalogues. ;)
Title: Re: Roland TD20
Post by: Pedro on July 30, 2012, 01:27:44 AM
There's a sh..ed-load of dodgy puns in there about rim-shots, midi-dumps, side-chaining, splash cymbals, etc. etc.
I shall pass...
:)
Title: Re: Roland TD20
Post by: E.S. on July 30, 2012, 02:07:08 AM
Don't hold it in, Pedders. :D
Title: Re: Roland TD20
Post by: Rook on July 30, 2012, 05:15:16 AM
I thought of a joke, but it was pretty crap.
Title: Re: Roland TD20
Post by: RacingHippo on July 30, 2012, 09:31:35 AM
I hope he doesn't have trouble with his sticking.

Meanwhile: Ron - I hate you. WANT!!!!
Title: Re: Roland TD20
Post by: RWA on July 30, 2012, 09:38:43 AM
Quote from: "RacingHippo"I
Meanwhile: Ron - I hate you. WANT!!!!
I hate you too!!!! Come over and GET if you dare!  :lol:
Title: Re: Roland TD20
Post by: owen on July 30, 2012, 12:18:11 PM
More worrying is the fact that no one on the forum has questioned the fact that you have a camera nailed to your ceiling. :o  Or are you Spiderman in disguise? Nice kit Btw :D
Title: Re: Roland TD20
Post by: johninblack on July 30, 2012, 06:59:07 PM
Quote from: "owen"More worrying is the fact that no one on the forum has questioned the fact that you have a camera nailed to your ceiling.

Hasn't everyone? Lol.
Title: Re: Roland TD20
Post by: Drarok on July 30, 2012, 08:11:34 PM
Tsk, upgraded to a new kit but forgotten the basics.

The hi-hats go on the left! ;)
Title: Re: Roland TD20
Post by: johninblack on July 30, 2012, 09:24:39 PM
Quote from: "Drarok"Tsk, upgraded to a new kit but forgotten the basics.

The hi-hats go on the left! ;)
That's a left handed kit that!
Title: Re: Roland TD20
Post by: Mouse on July 30, 2012, 10:32:18 PM
*makes a remark about studio run-throughs*
Title: Re: Roland TD20
Post by: RacingHippo on July 30, 2012, 11:13:37 PM
Quote from: "RWA"Come over and GET if you dare!  :lol:
Careful, I just might.... *calculates cost of TD20 vs cost of flights.... and hospital treatment*

Actually, there's a rumour that there might be something called "a bonus" involved in my future employment if everything goes to plan. I know what I'll be spending it on (and hang the marital fallout that results!)
Title: Re: Roland TD20
Post by: johninblack on July 31, 2012, 12:42:50 AM
Quote from: "RacingHippo"and hang the marital fallout that results!

You are either drunk or the better half has gone away for a while :)

Or perhaps accumulated LOTS AND LOTS of brownie points?
Title: Re: Roland TD20
Post by: RWA on July 31, 2012, 08:39:43 AM
Quote from: "RacingHippo"
Quote from: "RWA"Come over and GET if you dare!  :lol:
Careful, I just might.... *calculates cost of TD20 vs cost of flights.... and hospital treatment*

:lol:

And yes Drarok, I'm a lefty. This brings additional work to setting up a TD20 since all the cable are hidden in the rack.... for a right handed set up obviously! So I have to re-label all the cable.  :?
Title: Re: Roland TD20
Post by: Pedro on July 31, 2012, 12:26:27 PM
This is going to sound weird, but can't you just turn the rack "inside-out"?

If it is like my TD12 rack, it is a three-sided thing...   __/

If you open it out straight and then fold the two arms the other way, it would be left-ised.

NOW, I believe that the pipes are curved, so folding it backwards would mean the pipes curve "inwards", but I think these pipes are just clamped in place and if you loosened the clamps you could rotate the pipes so they curved the other way.
If the pipes are "keyed" (to stop them turning in the clamps) then this might mean it can't be done.

Of course, this rests on a bunch of guesses that might not hold, but it could work....?
Title: Re: Roland TD20
Post by: RWA on July 31, 2012, 09:19:22 PM
Quote from: "Pedro"This is going to sound weird, but can't you just turn the rack "inside-out"?

If it is like my TD12 rack, it is a three-sided thing...   __/

If you open it out straight and then fold the two arms the other way, it would be left-ised.

NOW, I believe that the pipes are curved, so folding it backwards would mean the pipes curve "inwards", but I think these pipes are just clamped in place and if you loosened the clamps you could rotate the pipes so they curved the other way.
If the pipes are "keyed" (to stop them turning in the clamps) then this might mean it can't be done.

Of course, this rests on a bunch of guesses that might not hold, but it could work....?
Well, I play drums me so I didn't look at it this way. Like, in a logical manner.  :lol:
You might be right. It would mean I have to losen all the pipes and flip them up side down ... but it might be the solution.

Let me have a look at it tomorrow. If you're correct .... I own you 3 beers in Londen upcoming December!  ;)
Title: Re: Roland TD20
Post by: RWA on August 01, 2012, 10:56:37 AM
The bad news is........ this is gonna cost me 3 beers!
The good news is...... you are fully right! It is that simple!  :mrgreen:

Now, I won't be doing this for a while since I have set everything up properly after 2 days of building. If I would set the rack up like you suggested I will be running out of space. The right leg is all ready hidden under my desk as it is. But if and when I have to break it down to do a gig I will DEFINITELY set it up the way you suggested. Thank you sir!!!!

Now name me 1 prog forum that comes up with clever left handed e-drum rack set up suggestions! I dare you!  :D
Title: Re: Roland TD20
Post by: D S on August 01, 2012, 01:13:19 PM
Quote from: "RWA"Now name me 1 prog forum that comes up with clever left handed e-drum rack set up suggestions! I dare you!  :D
Er, this one?!   ;)
Title: Re: Roland TD20
Post by: RWA on August 01, 2012, 04:29:59 PM
Quote from: "D S"
Quote from: "RWA"Now name me 1 prog forum that comes up with clever left handed e-drum rack set up suggestions! I dare you!  :D
Er, this one?!   ;)
Uhm.... yes! I obviously ment "one other forum"....  :lol:
Title: Re: Roland TD20
Post by: RWA on August 05, 2012, 09:05:06 AM
Well, the "flip your rack inside out" idea looked good on paper but sounded to good to be true.... and it is.

I started doing this but as it turns out every junction of the rack has its unique place. that way the rack has its paws spread out so to speak to make it rock steady. Another problem I ran into is the cable length at the main cable junction is to small for it to make a 180° turn.

So! I basically took the entire rack apart and rebuild it southpaw. I'm glad I did it though since the cable makes total sense now and the module is placed near the hi-hat now where it should be.  :)
Title: Re: Roland TD20
Post by: Pedro on August 05, 2012, 09:59:03 AM
Ah, I think I understand.
Is it safe to say, then, you can build a leftie using exactly the same parts (which I figured Roland would have designed-in for cost saving purposes) but getting there was harder because it is better made than I had expected?
Glad you got it sorted though, even if it was more tricky. :)
Title: Re: Roland TD20
Post by: RacingHippo on August 05, 2012, 02:48:34 PM
Congratulations, Ron! You have passed the first level in the Geo-Spatial Drum Kit Engineering!

Your next task is to rebuild this Southpaw-stylee:

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Title: Re: Roland TD20
Post by: D S on August 05, 2012, 02:56:50 PM
Heh!   :lol:
He has 5 feet?  :shock:
Title: Re: Roland TD20
Post by: RWA on August 05, 2012, 04:41:09 PM
Quote from: "Pedro"Ah, I think I understand.
Is it safe to say, then, you can build a leftie using exactly the same parts (which I figured Roland would have designed-in for cost saving purposes) but getting there was harder because it is better made than I had expected?
Glad you got it sorted though, even if it was more tricky. :)
Yes sir. The rack was all ready set up by a right handed drummer. If you take it new out of the box you can just build it left handed from the start. Anyway, glad you brought up the suggestion otherwise I'd probably didn't start this project.  Now the cables make total sense and have the right length + it's way more convenient to have the module at the hi-hat side. That way it's also close to my desk so it's in reach when something needs to be edited. I'm build in like Neil Peart now except his is only drums; for me it's drums and screens and speakers and gits and footcontrollers!  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Roland TD20
Post by: RWA on August 05, 2012, 04:42:47 PM
Quote from: "RacingHippo"Congratulations, Ron! You have passed the first level in the Geo-Spatial Drum Kit Engineering!

Your next task is to rebuild this Southpaw-stylee:

(//http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj52/linomcortes/kitTerryBozzio.jpg)

 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

I saw him live once playing this kit. It's ridiculous!  :)
Title: Re: Roland TD20
Post by: Mikey on August 05, 2012, 05:47:47 PM
Quote from: "RacingHippo"(//http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj52/linomcortes/kitTerryBozzio.jpg)
Is that what you've got in the garage?
Title: Re: Roland TD20
Post by: RWA on August 05, 2012, 10:00:40 PM
Quote from: "Mikey"Is that what you've got in the garage?
That's a RIDICULOUS suggestion Mikey! Something stunning like that should be in ones living room.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Roland TD20
Post by: RacingHippo on August 06, 2012, 10:34:53 AM
Quote from: "Mikey"Is that what you've got in the garage?
Fnerr.

Kind-of.
In the same way that I have a car transporter carrying half a dozen or so Ferraris, Lambourghinis, Maseratis and a Morgan 3-wheeler parked in the drive.

Quote from: "RWA"That's a RIDICULOUS suggestion Mikey! Something stunning like that should be in ones living room.  :mrgreen:
Indeed.
If only my living room were big enough....
Actually, if only my entire HOUSE was big enough!
Title: Re: Roland TD20
Post by: fitzy on August 06, 2012, 12:52:21 PM
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Imagine the way your heart would sink,opening the back of the Transit,after arriving late at a venue and having to set this up....ON YOUR OWN!!
Title: Re: Roland TD20
Post by: Pedro on August 06, 2012, 07:36:02 PM
All I can see when I look at that is a Sci-Fi movie where it comes to life, unfolding fluidly and then slicing people to bits with its long cymbal-lined arms. :shock:
Title: Re: Roland TD20
Post by: Rook on August 06, 2012, 08:51:34 PM
Ooh, Pedders you beat me to it. Though I was thinking that after the gig it would transform and you could drive it home.
Title: Re: Roland TD20
Post by: RWA on August 08, 2012, 09:07:51 AM
Final set up with rack properly converted to southpaw:

Birds eye view:
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Artvarks eye view:
(//http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7268/7738464768_77a34bb460.jpg)

Extra to the kit are:
- PD-80 snare (from my old TD-6) acting as an 8" tom
- CY-5 pretending to be a stax/splash cymbal
- CY-12C crash cymbal

Now I still have 1 input left........ Hmmm... do any of you know about a 56" V-gong to put behind me? No?  :?