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Frost* => Frost* => Topic started by: Pedro on December 20, 2008, 11:46:48 AM

Title: Toys Video - Call it my Frost*ie Report for 2008! : UPDATED
Post by: Pedro on December 20, 2008, 11:46:48 AM
Hi,

Well here it is....a video for Toys (//http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=5REQU4MC3qk).

I finally managed (at 6am this morning) to get the thing to roughly hang together and what you can now see on YouTube is a rather resolution-crushed version of my epic! (Well, it's nearly the time for crushing resolutions, isn't it?  ;) )

Anyway, like I say, it's rough, there are things you just can't read (writ too small :( ) and things I wanted to do but either couldn't get to work or had to bin cos of the time limit I forced on myself.

Don't look for any character development or sub-plot...just some groaning visual puns and ropey associations!  :)

Consider this my Christmas Card to you all wherever you are and I demand that you have a Merry Christmas and a ridiculously Happy New Year!  :D

Right, to The Peel!!  :)

West Bishes,
Pedro

PS Ooh, and that brings up the 400!!  ;)
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Post by: AnsOnkruid on December 20, 2008, 12:05:25 PM
You, sir, are a genius. It perfectly fits with the music/lyrics, love it! It made my day.
Well done Pedders! :D
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Post by: flamadiddle on December 20, 2008, 12:10:35 PM
That is the best thing I've ever seen.
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Post by: Rick on December 20, 2008, 12:15:29 PM
Stunning :D
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Post by: LivingForever on December 20, 2008, 12:33:16 PM
Brilliant! Love the pogoing crowd at the end...  :D
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Post by: gareth on December 20, 2008, 01:11:44 PM
Whoa, that was amazing!

Some moments were a little embarassingly literal, but i'm being picky. It was really entertaining, well done :D

Poor little guy :(
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Post by: Freddy on December 20, 2008, 01:17:19 PM
OMG - amazing! Make it official :D

Great work Pedro, absolutely amazing! /F
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Post by: gr8gonzo on December 20, 2008, 01:18:44 PM
You've outdone yourself, Pedders.  What a thing to wake up to.  That makes me very happy.  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D
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Post by: ich_bin_besser on December 20, 2008, 01:19:04 PM
A.W.E.S.O.M.E.  8-)
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Post by: catherine on December 20, 2008, 02:04:52 PM
Nice one Pedders!  :D
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Post by: EVP on December 20, 2008, 02:20:20 PM
Awesome Pedro!! that's cool!!
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Post by: codex on December 20, 2008, 03:12:01 PM
Wow, you are creative!

How much time did it take to build this fabulous piece of art?
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Post by: tomyg on December 20, 2008, 03:32:26 PM
Wow! That was fantastic.... :D
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Post by: Geetar on December 20, 2008, 05:28:59 PM
Pedders, you're a lunatic and a genius. I've been trying to get on the board all morning and now, instead of wanting to put a brick through the screen, I'm all made up.

Well done chuck!
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Post by: landslug on December 20, 2008, 07:45:38 PM
That is truly awesome .. what a great talent

mega-biscuits for you!   :D
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Post by: Cynity on December 20, 2008, 07:46:13 PM
:shock:  wohow...fantastic!   :D
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Post by: pastoor on December 20, 2008, 09:43:39 PM
Hey, this is simply brilliant! Can someone call Jem and Thomas Waber to have this released officially? I want to see this vid on TV!
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Post by: Ash on December 21, 2008, 12:46:49 AM
Vote Prog Dog!!

That was brilliant!

Husband said it was awesome and must have taken a bloody long time!
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Post by: enthewhite on December 21, 2008, 12:56:26 AM
Awesome, Pedro!! I was just playing that game last night with my brother.  Is it possible to find that map online and play it?
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Post by: kaide on December 21, 2008, 10:03:54 AM
WOW, just wow :shock:

thats awesome!
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Post by: Tricky on December 21, 2008, 06:07:53 PM
Brilliant!
I always wondered what the point of LBP was... now I know: It's for talented folk to make music videos.
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Post by: gr8gonzo on December 21, 2008, 08:16:04 PM
I've watched the vid repeatedly and noted as many references as I could spot.  Most of the lyrics have some sort of visual representation, but there are plenty of other things to see here.

The character is a lion - "You're a lion!!"
BOTY flyer
Looks like he's standing on the word search
Couldn't make out chalkboard message re: gig
"Cleanliness is next to Godfreyness" embroidery
telephone box
cases of biscuits on the raft
"Here Is The News" sign: Rock Fall Re-Routes River
Danger of "Falling Down" sign
waterfall
The "Pocket Sun" tabloid: Frost* - Aliens?
"Hellay!" magazine: Frost* Wags Speak Out/Til Deaf Do Us Part
What Hobbit? sign: Inside: Best Buys for Foot Razors
Ego sign on catapult
H.I.T.N. sign: (unreadable)
H.I.T.N. sign: "Valley Road Closed"
east of "EASY"
lyric pun: battery, plane, stocking, ?? = sell your stock in jealouscide
Tomorrow's Headline - The Pocket Sun "Frost* Fan Fraudster Escapes in Tardis"
Toys 2 Go truck
MillionToys & Co.
Wonderland Experience poster
Follow Alice to Wonderland
Welcome to Know-Ware (x2)
H.I.T.N. sign: Frost? Album Back-Up Lost
sign: "You Know-Ware Your Music Back-Ups Are Safe"
song titles on falling 'dominoes'
Vote Prog Dog
Venus di Millio (Frost*erisk sculpture missing its 'arms')
pun: steely seas: steel "EC"'s (ECEC) turn to "RUST"
lyric pun: car, pet, hides, the gild E, duster
Million Ton Scales
Milliontown Tube Station logos
Platform 2 sign - unreadable
H.I.T.N. sign: unreadable
Jealouscide stock chart
"The Best Advice: Buy" (reference to Wonderland lyrics: "doing the wrong thing is the best advice")
Tardis
UORI on JM's guitar: reference to "You/I"?
"I DUG THE HOLE" on JM's shirt: reference to "I BURIED ANDY" morse code
Backward synth notes
H.I.T.N. sign: Forum Air Free Flight No Strings Attached
concert crowd wearing the new hoodies

There are a lot of literal lyric visuals I didn't list, as well.  These are just the things I spotted.  

My favourites are:

the Godfreyness embroidery
prog dog
Venus di Millio
The Best Advice
"I Dug the Hole" shirt
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Post by: Ash on December 21, 2008, 08:21:16 PM
The Ashleaze now own a PS3...  Nothing so great will be achieved

Hubby asked if Toys was on the new album (and last week he was caught singing Saline)...
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Post by: flamadiddle on December 21, 2008, 08:29:43 PM
Quote from: gr8gonzoUORI on JM's guitar: reference to "You/I"?
/quote]

I thought that was just the word CORT as in JM's guitar sponsors.
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Post by: Big Black Shed on December 21, 2008, 08:31:35 PM
Pedro. That is just Frost*-ilious. Absolute-friggin'-awesome. :D  :D  :D  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:
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Post by: Gandalf1986 on December 21, 2008, 09:28:04 PM
That is beyond anything I expected! Brilliant, mr Pedders ;)
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Post by: Rick on December 21, 2008, 09:40:28 PM
Quote from: "gr8gonzo"I've watched the vid repeatedly and noted as many references as I could spot.  Most of the lyrics have some sort of visual representation, but there are plenty of other things to see here.

The character is a lion - "You're a lion!!"
BOTY flyer
Looks like he's standing on the word search
Couldn't make out chalkboard message re: gig
"Cleanliness is next to Godfreyness" embroidery
telephone box
cases of biscuits on the raft
"Here Is The News" sign: Rock Fall Re-Routes River
Danger of "Falling Down" sign
waterfall
The "Pocket Sun" tabloid: Frost* - Aliens?
"Hellay!" magazine: Frost* Wags Speak Out/Til Deaf Do Us Part
What Hobbit? sign: Inside: Best Buys for Foot Razors
Ego sign on catapult
H.I.T.N. sign: (unreadable)
H.I.T.N. sign: "Valley Road Closed"
east of "EASY"
lyric pun: battery, plane, stocking, ?? = sell your stock in jealouscide
Tomorrow's Headline - The Pocket Sun "Frost* Fan Fraudster Escapes in Tardis"
Toys 2 Go truck
MillionToys & Co.
Wonderland Experience poster
Follow Alice to Wonderland
Welcome to Know-Ware (x2)
H.I.T.N. sign: Frost? Album Back-Up Lost
sign: "You Know-Ware Your Music Back-Ups Are Safe"
song titles on falling 'dominoes'
Vote Prog Dog
Venus di Millio (Frost*erisk sculpture missing its 'arms')
pun: steely seas: steel "EC"'s (ECEC) turn to "RUST"
lyric pun: car, pet, hides, the gild E, duster
Million Ton Scales
Milliontown Tube Station logos
Platform 2 sign - unreadable
H.I.T.N. sign: unreadable
Jealouscide stock chart
"The Best Advice: Buy" (reference to Wonderland lyrics: "doing the wrong thing is the best advice")
Tardis
UORI on JM's guitar: reference to "You/I"?
"I DUG THE HOLE" on JM's shirt: reference to "I BURIED ANDY" morse code
Backward synth notes
H.I.T.N. sign: Forum Air Free Flight No Strings Attached
concert crowd wearing the new hoodies

There are a lot of literal lyric visuals I didn't list, as well.  These are just the things I spotted.  

My favourites are:

the Godfreyness embroidery
prog dog
Venus di Millio
The Best Advice
"I Dug the Hole" shirt


A subtle one is the million ton on the crane :D
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Post by: HelenDo on December 21, 2008, 09:54:48 PM
Pedro that is amazing  :D

What a talented chap you are  :D

Helen xx
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Post by: wickedwitch on December 21, 2008, 10:12:30 PM
it's all very good Pedro dear chap, but how are you going to beat it for next years christmas special?!!! x  ;)
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Post by: catherine on December 21, 2008, 11:15:18 PM
My sons have watched it a couple of times and are clamouring for a PS3 now.  (Me too!)
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Post by: szabiakanich on December 21, 2008, 11:20:47 PM
That was amazing, dude. Respect!!! Very well made. Good stuff.
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Post by: sawtooth on December 21, 2008, 11:32:44 PM
I've only just seen this Pedders and Spielberg's work is mere bagatelle compared to your vid. I'm grinning ear to ear. Stunning! :D
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Post by: TonyB on December 22, 2008, 12:53:32 AM
Quote from: "Freddy"OMG - amazing! Make it official :D

Great work Pedro, absolutely amazing! /F

I say release it and have that as the official video :)
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Post by: gr8gonzo on December 22, 2008, 02:17:13 AM
Too bad Sony would demand a cut.
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Post by: johninblack on December 22, 2008, 02:44:24 AM
To quote a song I heard earlier...."Oh my god, the genius of it all" ProgDog will be delighted :D
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Post by: PhilHarmonic on December 22, 2008, 02:08:55 PM
Said it somewhere else before, but again won't do any harm.  Absolutely stunning - a real treat for the eyes and the ears.  How you tied all things together is amazing.  Watched it loads now and I know I keep missing something - it's just like Jem's solos, no matter how many times you listen to them, there's always that bit which makes the hairs stand on end and the finger hovers over the replay button.

So, ta, - but I won't get much work done now!!
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Post by: Philadelphia on December 22, 2008, 02:27:05 PM
Wow. This sure is something to come home to! This is... I don't even know what to call it. "Stunning" is what you accomplish normally, but this goes far and beyond everything else I've seen you post so far - including LBP vids, lyric-remakes, remixes... Just... WOW.
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Post by: TonyB on December 22, 2008, 03:09:25 PM
Simply stunning :)

Phenomenal work Sir, you deserve a medal or at least a biscuit named after you!

 :shock:
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Post by: Trapezium Artist on December 22, 2008, 03:49:58 PM
Absolutely fabulous; is it too late for an Oscar nomination as Best Short?
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Post by: JimD on December 22, 2008, 03:52:10 PM
Pedro,

Get the dictionary, look up the word awesome, and there *should* be a picture of your vid in there!

So-so-so-mega-utterly-utterly-mega fantastic.  You even got the JM 45 degree axe-neck-angle going on!

JimD
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Post by: ecky p on December 22, 2008, 04:54:14 PM
Pedro my man ....that was brill..brought a smile to one's face.
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Post by: Lacklight on December 22, 2008, 05:42:25 PM
Great stuff sir, very amusing!
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Post by: Gig Buddy on December 22, 2008, 08:09:31 PM
Brilliant Pedders, can't stop smiling! :D
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Post by: Ivor on December 22, 2008, 08:20:30 PM
Fantastico.

Top-notch, Pedders.
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Post by: tomyg on December 22, 2008, 08:42:44 PM
Excellent stuff, more please :D
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Post by: Ash on December 22, 2008, 09:49:14 PM
Ok so LBP is on at the moment.  I am starting to feel for Mrs Pedro, all those brilliant posts, all those brilliant mixes and the brilliant Toys Video, do you ever have time to do stuff around the house?  ;)
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Post by: Pedro on December 23, 2008, 01:13:59 AM
Well....what can I say?

I have been quite blown away by the wonderful reactions - thanks to everyone who has posted and commented - really makes it worth all the effort.

I won't blather on (yeah right! :roll:) but I will try to answer some of the questions as briefly as I can :-

Codex: I started on or around November 25th, more or less as soon as the penny dropped that I could really do just about *anything* using the game. I kept a blog of some of the process (here (//http://pedro-notmuchtosay.blogspot.com/2008/11/creating-video-for-toys-by-frost-part-1.html)) but it doesn't go into too much detail. I think in the whole month I pulled something like 6 all-nighters and paid for them with about 12 wash-out evenings where I fell asleep within minutes of trying to get started.

Pastoor: I would love for it to matter enough for official interest to be shown but, as I said right from the start and others have mentioned too, the seeking of permission to use it "officially" might be a problem....although it could be a good advert too. Of course, it would *have* to be tweaked in several places to improve readability and re-captured for better quality.

Enthewhite: What you see in the video is something like 8 separate maps but only two or three of them contain "joined-up" sequences. These are "E-Go to Wonderland", "Know-ware to MillionTonScales" and "Underground to Tardis". These were probably the hardest to do, constructing them to fit the timing in the first place and then trying to "perform" them in a continuous take without knobbing it up...which happened a lot! The rest of the "sets" are disjointed constructions all bunched in together. I might put one or two of them "up" on the game level servers but they will not really appeal to people looking for something "playable"

gr8gonzo: Yes it is indeed the wordsearch! What else would a dedicated Frost* fan be doing between gigs? :)
The forum post says "Gig tonight, bring biscuits! Jem x"
The first unreadable HITN sign says "Mount Forst*more Open For Viewing"
The lyric pun after the Valley road jump is "Cell/Yaw/Stocking/Cello side"
The Platform2 sign attempts to show three stations on the line "Easy", "Milliontown" and "The Gig" labouring that the ride is going east of easy.  :roll:
The second unreadable HITN sign says "Meteors Wreck Underground" referring to HITN lyric and "explaining" the damage to the track and how a pipe might lead to the stock market(!?)
The CORT/UORI thing was meant to be cleverer with parts of the name swivelling (C <-> U and T <-> I) but things in LBP can get really hard to edit once they reach a certain level of complexity - plus I was out of time and the "less is more rule" was screaming at me too! Thanks so much for taking the trouble to list it all - really good to know what worked and what didn't. :)
I think you nailed pretty much all of it - the green "I"s (eyes) in "Jealouscide Inc." might be too obscure. I had planned/hoped to get references to all of the tracks in there somewhere but the "Dear Dead Days" and "Secret Song" references never made the cut. I also meant to to refer to some or all of the guy's other bands but Darwins Radio and Arena were the only ones I got in there.  :)

Ashleaze: Mrs Pedro is an absolute star and I love her to bits - she hardly complains when I get these obsession rushes. As she puts it, at least she knows where I am and, to be fair, I do try my best to jump to it when hailed. However, there are some long-standing DIY tasks that have stalled almost permanently!
This particular obsession punched a ridiculous hole in our Christmas preparations (for example we finally bought a tree today!!) so I am in in catch-up mode all day tomorrow.  :)  

Hmm....maybe I did blather a bit!
Sorry, night all!  :)

Pedders
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Post by: Fogeyspasm on December 23, 2008, 02:06:57 AM
Think its brilliant. I laugh everytime i watch it.
Now i need to buy a ps3 though! :shock:
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Post by: Fogeyspasm on December 23, 2008, 03:26:16 AM
Forgot to add. Would love to see the vid in all its glory in a higher resolution. :D
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Post by: RacingHippo on December 23, 2008, 07:18:56 AM
Just watched it with Pygmy Hippo, who absolutely adores it.
And I still found myself muttering "brilliant!" under my breath (although without the "bloody" this time).
It is a work of genius.
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Post by: RWA on December 23, 2008, 09:55:06 AM
Can't believe I overlooked this one..........  :?

Watched it today. I'm speechless Pedders! Absolutely fantastically brilliant job!!!!  8-)
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Post by: keithd on December 23, 2008, 10:05:13 AM
Well that brightened up my morning  :)

Brilliant Pedro!!
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Post by: Brom on December 23, 2008, 10:28:45 AM
Even though we chatted about it at THE GIG on Saturday, I still want to add my congrats here on a brilliant bit of creative work. Wait---Bit??.. more like a monster!

The Bromites love it and if you don't mind I'm going to post it on my blog very soon!

The Million Ton crane, fantastic!  :D

Now have a very relaxing Xmas, and get some sleep!!  :D
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Post by: Mikey on December 23, 2008, 05:05:27 PM
Pedders...That's a Christmas cracker :D  :D  :D  :D  :D
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Post by: MrsJiB on December 24, 2008, 03:44:31 AM
On behalf of both "Prog Dogs" mummies we thank you for his inclusion in your mini masterpiece.
 There is only one problem now how do we stop his ego from getting any bigger, he won't be able to get in the car if his head gets any bigger and that just won't do! Lol :roll:

He is really looking forward to January 10th now...........
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Post by: gr8gonzo on December 24, 2008, 04:38:20 AM
Ego come, ego go.
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Post by: J Jonah Jameson on December 24, 2008, 12:32:37 PM
Brilliant Ped.  Got to do something with that!

JJJ
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Post by: johninblack on December 24, 2008, 12:36:37 PM
Quote from: "J Jonah Jameson"Brilliant Ped.  Got to do something with that!

JJJ


Gotta say it would be criminal not to let that excellent and imaginative piece of work out to a wider audience. Well done Pedders.
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Post by: Nellie on December 24, 2008, 03:08:15 PM
I've only just seen this, (probably due to the server errors!!) and you are truly a genius Pedro. Enjoy the praise as you deserve it! Merry Christmas to you too. :)
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Post by: rogerg on December 24, 2008, 03:37:56 PM
Pedro, that is just fabulous.  I am filled with smiles!  thank you!!!
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Post by: Ash on December 24, 2008, 04:43:31 PM
Quote from: "johninblack"
Quote from: "J Jonah Jameson"Brilliant Ped.  Got to do something with that!

JJJ


Gotta say it would be criminal not to let that excellent and imaginative piece of work out to a wider audience. Well done Pedders.

It has got my husband putting Toys on his ipod and he has been caught whistling it too  :D
I asked him if he wanted a Hoodie for Christmas but I guess that was a step too far  :lol:
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Post by: The Cosmic Lawnmower on December 24, 2008, 08:33:27 PM
Fantastic! Verily I doth my prog cap to you Sir!  :D
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Post by: Pedro on December 24, 2008, 09:52:21 PM
That'll be some mutual dothing (or even doffing) betwixt thee and me then - loved your work at The Peel - took major stones to do that and not go all "rabbit-in-the headlights" about it!  ;)
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Post by: leelustig on December 25, 2008, 12:12:11 AM
Jesus Christmas that was awesome. you know I think I'm REALLY missing out by not owning this game... or a PS3 for that matter.
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Post by: Cynthia's Mallet on December 26, 2008, 06:45:40 PM
Well, I've commented on your youtube and I'll say it again here, absolutely brilliant, doesn't matter how many times you watch it you always spot something new - cracking job, I'm sure it'll end up on a special edition DVD sometime (PS3 licensing permitting and all that) or better still, the telly!  It's Frost*ie all right and it's a great present - THANKS!
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Post by: Dr.Ripper on December 26, 2008, 08:23:59 PM
haha, the forum is full of hot air.

It put a big smile on my face, nice job!
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Post by: Gedfaz on December 27, 2008, 10:34:40 AM
Quote from: "Pedro"Hi,

Well here it is....a video for Toys (//http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=5REQU4MC3qk).

I finally managed (at 6am this morning) to get the thing to roughly hang together and what you can now see on YouTube is a rather resolution-crushed version of my epic! (Well, it's nearly the time for crushing resolutions, isn't it?  ;) )

Anyway, like I say, it's rough, there are things you just can't read (writ too small :( ) and things I wanted to do but either couldn't get to work or had to bin cos of the time limit I forced on myself.

Don't look for any character development or sub-plot...just some groaning visual puns and ropey associations!  :)

Consider this my Christmas Card to you all wherever you are and I demand that you have a Merry Christmas and a ridiculously Happy New Year!  :D

Right, to The Peel!!  :)

West Bishes,
Pedro

PS Ooh, and that brings up the 400!!  ;)


That was unbelievably.... UNBELIEVEABLY......INCREDIBLY!  Superb!
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Post by: sawtooth on January 06, 2009, 11:54:22 AM
Just noticed Andy has been promoting your work on his blog Ped!
//http://andyedwardsmusic.blogspot.com
A fine example of thinking 'outside of the box' (that's the blog AND the video!)

As JJJ mentioned earlier, surely something has to be done with this vid - it's too good to stay on youtube! Do you have (or can you output) a higher res version Pedders?
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Post by: Pedro on January 06, 2009, 12:50:08 PM
Quote from: "sawtooth"Do you have (or can you output) a higher res version Pedders?
Thanks, Sawtooth. I must say I am rather pleased with how it turned out.
I was deeply honoured when Andy said he was going to put it on his blog.

Producing a better resolution version is this week's source of sleep-deprivation.
It's coming along but it's slow going.

***Anyone not remotely interested in the techy stuff is excused and should help themselves to refreshments in the foyer now***
 
Don't know if anyone is interested but I'll describe the process....just so that the more knowledgeable can say "you didn't need to do all that, why didn't you just do this...."!  ;)  

Sadly, being quite new to the world of video I was a bit stuck for how to capture the video from the Playstation3....not having anything that would record from an HDMI source.
Luckily the old Playstation leads can be used but, without any video capture hardware on the PC, I had to resort to recording it via SCART onto our Philips DVD Recorder.

So, scene-by-scene, I performed the various bits (over-and-over-and-over until I got it right!) and recorded the best take onto a DVD-RW. I then lugged that to the PC and converted the VOB files from the DVD to .wmv format, which appeared to be good enough quality without being massive. I then wiped the DVD-RW and did the next scene. The BIG MISTAKE was not keeping a copy the original VOB files.  :roll:

I converted the VOB files because the best video mangling tool to hand (Serif's MoviePlus5) "gagged" when I tried to feed it VOB files directly for some reason.

Little did I know that VOB files can just be renamed as .mpg files and, with a little patch, MoviePlus will import them (albeit verrrrry slowwwwlly).

So now I'm re-recording every little bit (trying to make the unreadable bits readable) and trying to resist the urge to tweak, re-do, change, etc. etc.  ;)

My only unanswered question is what do people mean when say "can you produce a hi-res version"? How high is "hi" and what format would they prefer?  :?
Title: Re: Toys Video - Call it my Frost*ie Report for 2008!
Post by: sawtooth on January 06, 2009, 02:15:11 PM
Quote from: "Pedro"
Quote from: "sawtooth"Do you have (or can you output) a higher res version Pedders?
Thanks, Sawtooth. I must say I am rather pleased with how it turned out.
I was deeply honoured when Andy said he was going to put it on his blog.

Producing a better resolution version is this week's source of sleep-deprivation.
It's coming along but it's slow going.

***Anyone not remotely interested in the techy stuff is excused and should help themselves to refreshments in the foyer now***
 
Don't know if anyone is interested but I'll describe the process....just so that the more knowledgeable can say "you didn't need to do all that, why didn't you just do this...."!  ;)  

Sadly, being quite new to the world of video I was a bit stuck for how to capture the video from the Playstation3....not having anything that would record from an HDMI source.
Luckily the old Playstation leads can be used but, without any video capture hardware on the PC, I had to resort to recording it via SCART onto our Philips DVD Recorder.

So, scene-by-scene, I performed the various bits (over-and-over-and-over until I got it right!) and recorded the best take onto a DVD-RW. I then lugged that to the PC and converted the VOB files from the DVD to .wmv format, which appeared to be good enough quality without being massive. I then wiped the DVD-RW and did the next scene. The BIG MISTAKE was not keeping a copy the original VOB files.  :roll:

I converted the VOB files because the best video mangling tool to hand (Serif's MoviePlus5) "gagged" when I tried to feed it VOB files directly for some reason.

Little did I know that VOB files can just be renamed as .mpg files and, with a little patch, MoviePlus will import them (albeit verrrrry slowwwwlly).

So now I'm re-recording every little bit (trying to make the unreadable bits readable) and trying to resist the urge to tweak, re-do, change, etc. etc.  ;)

My only unanswered question is what do people mean when say "can you produce a hi-res version"? How high is "hi" and what format would they prefer?  :?
Looking on the 'tinternet this issue seems a lot more complicated than I thought. There's the issue of PAL and NTSC resolutions being different,  and standard (4:3)  or widescreen (16:9) tellys, not to mention framerates. So the short answer mate I would guess, is that it seems an awful lot of trouble for you to go to, when we can already watch it perfectly well on Youtube. That said, if anyone has any specialist knowledge of these things, and if there becomes  an official outlet for the video, I'd be the first in line to stump up the readies for a DVD copy! ;)
Title: Re: Toys Video - Call it my Frost*ie Report for 2008!
Post by: tomskerous on January 06, 2009, 04:24:03 PM
Quote from: "Pedro"My only unanswered question is what do people mean when say "can you produce a hi-res version"? How high is "hi" and what format would they prefer?  :?

Tellies are a little odd as their pixels aren't square but horizontal rectangles. May seem strange, but the technology was invented when the idea of a pixel wouldn't have occurred to anyone. To the TV signal a 4x3 and 16X9 pixel are the same size of data - it's just stretched more. (You can spot the reverse of this when people put widescreen video online and it goes all 'thin' when converted blindly to 4x3.)

So normally a PAL TV picture is 720x576, at 25fps*. A widescreen video file is the same size, but with the 'widescreen' flag set so it gets stretched.

If you're importing an image into an eding package though, you often need to create it with square pixels - so widescreen becomes 1024x576. Remember if viewing it on a TV tube that 10% gets cut off from all sides. The BBC photoshop templates (//http://www.bbc.co.uk/commissioning/tvbranding/picturesize.shtml) can be useful at this point.

The problem with uncompressed video is that it's HUGE. 50Mb/s. So normally you'll add a light compression codec (the equivalent of changing a TIFF to a JPG) to get each frame's size down a bit without losing too much quality for the version you edit. MPEG will already have done this for you, and also made some time-based compression - spotting similarities between areas of frames.

When shipping it off to other people, you'll often:

Tinker with the quicktime export settings and do test encodes on small segments to find something that works.

Ideally you'll end up with something that's about 1Mb/s for 'high quality' over the web. Maybe a little more if your audience is dedicated. If you've got good MPEG compression algorithms, 2.3Mb/s is nearly broadcast tv quality, 8Mb/s is DVD.

Um, sorry, that all rather fell out in one go.


(whistles quietly)


*Actually it's two slightly different pictures embedded in one - the screen scans alternate lines to get the image up to 50fps and just above the point where most people perceive flicker.
Title: Re: Toys Video - Call it my Frost*ie Report for 2008!
Post by: Pedro on January 06, 2009, 08:10:44 PM
Thanks for that, Tom. You demystified a few things there....and we all know how valuable demystifiers are at this time of year!  :)
Title: Re: Toys Video - Call it my Frost*ie Report for 2008!
Post by: tomskerous on January 07, 2009, 12:47:46 AM
Chuck us a PM or use IM if you get stuck again - i've done this lots and lots and lots. Sadly.
Title: Re: Toys Video - Call it my Frost*ie Report for 2008!
Post by: Mirror on January 07, 2009, 05:40:55 PM
This is bloody brilliant!  Amazing job Pedro, the little details made me crack up, and it gets better with every play :)
Title: Re: Toys Video - Call it my Frost*ie Report for 2008!
Post by: Mikey on January 07, 2009, 08:13:02 PM
Quote from: "Mirror"This is bloody brilliant!  Amazing job Pedro, the little details made me crack up, and it gets better with every play :)
WORD
Title: Re: Toys Video - Call it my Frost*ie Report for 2008!
Post by: Beano on January 09, 2009, 12:32:44 PM
Blummin 'eck Pedro that's rather fantastic that is
Title: Re: Toys Video - Call it my Frost*ie Report for 2008!
Post by: Krische_Jasche on January 09, 2009, 08:16:39 PM
Blimey, that was a great vid Pedders! Just saw it right now. All the details... must have been a real intense PS3 workout! And reading about your struggles to get it edited makes it an even greater achievement!

The inventiveness of folks on this forum just keeps on surprising me :D


Kudos to thee great sire, may your biscuit jar for ever be full of the tastiest sorts!
Title: Re: Toys Video - Call it my Frost*ie Report for 2008! : UPDATED
Post by: Pedro on January 10, 2009, 11:26:14 AM
Huge thanks to everyone for the wonderful feedback.  :D

I have just finished re-working the thing into a widescreen and slightly higher resolution version and you can find it here (//http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=QBXCYjFX7V4).

As before, watching it using YouTube's "watch in high quality" gives better results versus longer download/buffering time.

Hopefully, everything that couldn't be read before is now more readable, I've tightened up the timing in a few places and some of the transitions are a little better. There are still one or two ropey bits but one has to draw the line somewhere!

Enjoy!  :D
Title: Re: Toys Video - Call it my Frost*ie Report for 2008! : UPDATED
Post by: tomskerous on January 10, 2009, 12:19:07 PM
Quote from: "Pedro"There are still one or two ropey bits but one has to draw the line somewhere!

What, in this place? :-)
Title: Re: Toys Video - Call it my Frost*ie Report for 2008! : UPDATED
Post by: johninblack on January 10, 2009, 12:32:25 PM
Quote from: "tomskerous"
Quote from: "Pedro"There are still one or two ropey bits but one has to draw the line somewhere!

What, in this place? :-)

besides, if the line gets crossed we can all vote to move the line can't we?
Title: Re: Toys Video - Call it my Frost*ie Report for 2008! : UPDATED
Post by: tomskerous on January 10, 2009, 12:33:57 PM
Just watched the updated version - effing well done sir!
Title: Re: Toys Video - Call it my Frost*ie Report for 2008! : UPDATED
Post by: johninblack on January 10, 2009, 12:41:51 PM
Quote from: "tomskerous"Just watched the updated version - effing well done sir!
I take it you mean The Widescreen version (//http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=QBXCYjFX7V4&feature=channel_page)?
Title: Re: Toys Video - Call it my Frost*ie Report for 2008! : UPDATED
Post by: Ash on January 10, 2009, 02:54:50 PM
Brilliant - noticed a lot more, certainly better looking.

I've been there too and got the sticker  :lol:
Title: Re: Toys Video - Call it my Frost*ie Report for 2008! : UPDATED
Post by: turbo on January 12, 2009, 08:42:42 AM
well done mate  :D
Title: Re: Toys Video - Call it my Frost*ie Report for 2008! : UPDATED
Post by: Pedro on January 12, 2009, 12:27:34 PM
Thanks  :D

The higher resolution version was handed over on Saturday so I'm free to ponder the next project....

Mrs Pedro keeps saying "do the Bathroom" but I've not heard of a band or track by that name.... :?  ;)
Title: Re: Toys Video - Call it my Frost*ie Report for 2008! : UPDATED
Post by: RacingHippo on January 12, 2009, 12:32:22 PM
Quote from: "Pedro"Mrs Pedro keeps saying "do the Bathroom" but I've not heard of a band or track by that name.... :?  ;)
I'm sure we could form one...
Title: Re: Toys Video - Call it my Frost*ie Report for 2008! : UPDATED
Post by: RacingHippo on January 12, 2009, 12:43:34 PM
Absolutely fabulous to watch that again.
And yes, I saw some bits I'd not noticed before.
I particularly like "Bridge collapsed in 7/8 pieces". Also, somehow I missed "Darwins" radio before, which set me chuckling from the start.

In all honesty, this is my favourite music vid EVAH. OK, so I don't watch telly much, but even so - it's just so damned clever.
Title: Re: Toys Video - Call it my Frost*ie Report for 2008! : UPDATED
Post by: johninblack on January 12, 2009, 04:17:11 PM
Quote from: "Pedro"Thanks  :D

Mrs Pedro keeps saying "do the Bathroom" but I've not heard of a band or track by that name.... :?  ;)

I'll lend you the CD and DVD if you like. "Do The Bathroom" by B&Q, fantastic stuff :lol:
Title: Re: Toys Video - Call it my Frost*ie Report for 2008! : UPDATED
Post by: Bert on January 12, 2009, 08:28:18 PM
I have to say...

that's f-brilliant !!!  :D
Title: Re: Toys Video - Call it my Frost*ie Report for 2008! : UPDATED
Post by: MartijnB on January 13, 2009, 12:20:47 PM
Haven't posted it here yet, but.. incredible job! One of the best animated music videos I've ever seen!  :)
Title: Re: Toys Video - Call it my Frost*ie Report for 2008! : UPDATED
Post by: The Cosmic Lawnmower on January 13, 2009, 01:36:20 PM
Superb job Pedro, after reading the 'walk through' thread I'm blown away with the detail that's gone into it. Top work, very clever.  ;)
Title: Re: Toys Video - Call it my Frost*ie Report for 2008! : UPDATED
Post by: Mouse on January 16, 2009, 08:45:37 PM
Pedro sire, that is incredible! So much stuff in such little time... Most definitely Prog!  :)

Again, just unbelievable... Glo-o-o-orious!  :D
Title: Re: Toys Video - Call it my Frost*ie Report for 2008! : UPDATED
Post by: beetree on January 19, 2009, 07:06:02 PM
Don Pedro, that was absolutely top notch and very entertaining. Respect! :D  :D
Title: Re: Toys Video - Call it my Frost*ie Report for 2008! : UPDATED
Post by: leelustig on January 19, 2009, 08:41:31 PM
Seriously... this game looks like endless amounts of fun.

If only I could afford the PS3...
Title: Re: Toys Video - Call it my Frost*ie Report for 2008! : UPDATED
Post by: Jothiepoos on January 19, 2009, 10:23:55 PM
Pedro,
URA bally genius!
Unfortunately I only just picked this up so Happy Belated Xmas 2008 and keep up the lionhearted work mate.
Arthur Impressed and his pet Parrot Joth G. :D
Title: Re: Toys Video - Call it my Frost*ie Report for 2008! : UPDATED
Post by: Sean on January 21, 2009, 02:24:47 AM
I must say I've been away from here far to long, but with being in and out of the hospital that's been hard... But Pedro, my good sir you have out done yourself! The video was simply the neatest thing I've seen in a while, very funny as well. Do you got anymore vids for other songs? Anyway that was really cool to watch, keep up the good work!
Title: Re: Toys Video - Call it my Frost*ie Report for 2008! : UPDATED
Post by: Pedro on January 21, 2009, 03:33:17 AM
Quote from: "Sean"I must say I've been away from here far to long, but with being in and out of the hospital that's been hard... But Pedro, my good sir you have out done yourself! The video was simply the neatest thing I've seen in a while, very funny as well. Do you got anymore vids for other songs? Anyway that was really cool to watch, keep up the good work!
Thanks Sean.
Sorry to hear you have been unwell, hope you can be more out of hospital than in now.
I don't have any other videos at the moment, I have a number of ideas that would fit tracks by some of the other artists that get mentioned around here but no inclination to spend the hours on it right now....day job (and day life!) took a hit last time....but I'd never say never again! You never know, if the biscuit exchange rate is favourable.... ;)
Title: Re: Toys Video - Call it my Frost*ie Report for 2008! : UPDATED
Post by: Mouse on January 21, 2009, 08:16:45 PM
How about a video for Milliontown? How hard could that be...?  ;)
Title: Re: Toys Video - Call it my Frost*ie Report for 2008! : UPDATED
Post by: Pedro on January 21, 2009, 08:54:36 PM
:lol:

Right, there's this worm that looks like a lion in a cathedral made out of Bourbon biscuits and he gets an email saying "Gig tonight, bring biscuits!" and he smiles and he....  :)
Title: Re: Toys Video - Call it my Frost*ie Report for 2008! : UPDATED
Post by: leelustig on January 25, 2009, 04:41:55 PM
yo Pedro, one question that I'm not sure was answered already or not.

How the hell did you make that guitar playing JM? That looked extremely hard and time consuming, was it not?
Title: Re: Toys Video - Call it my Frost*ie Report for 2008! : UPDATED
Post by: Pedro on January 25, 2009, 05:17:27 PM
LOL Yes, it took a fair amount of faffing about.
That is (hopefully) an accurate(ish) Cort guitar shape and JM was modelled on a gig photo I took.
One of the most frustrating things about LittleBigPlanet is the way that you "glue" things together. There are 7 "layers"; 4 thin ones and three thick ones and you can build up things by "pasting" the layers together if you want or bolting them together so things will move (like the arms).
When you paste layers together, the order you paste them in is important because if you later "detach" one part of the creation it can result in the whole thing just dropping to bits! JM fell apart on several occasions!  :)
Fortunately there are several levels of "undo" and "redo" so all is not lost but it is scary when it first happens to you after 2 or 3 hours of getting something "just so" and the last little tweak brings it all crashing down!
The other thing about building JM was when I was first trying to work out the strumming action....before the guitar was in place....the first couple of attempts made it look like he was doing something else altogether! :shock:  ;)
Thanks for asking.  :)
Title: Re: Toys Video - Call it my Frost*ie Report for 2008! : UPDATED
Post by: johninblack on January 25, 2009, 05:54:40 PM
Quote from: "Pedro"The other thing about building JM was when I was first trying to work out the strumming action....before the guitar was in place....the first couple of attempts made it look like he was doing something else altogether! :shock:  ;)

So you're all ready for this bit of Welcome To Nowhere then.......

God of small empire
This numb masturbator
Pissing his life into
Plastic and paper
Title: Re: Toys Video - Call it my Frost*ie Report for 2008! : UPDATED
Post by: leelustig on January 26, 2009, 02:25:16 AM
Quote from: "Pedro"LOL Yes, it took a fair amount of faffing about.
That is (hopefully) an accurate(ish) Cort guitar shape and JM was modelled on a gig photo I took.
One of the most frustrating things about LittleBigPlanet is the way that you "glue" things together. There are 7 "layers"; 4 thin ones and three thick ones and you can build up things by "pasting" the layers together if you want or bolting them together so things will move (like the arms).
When you paste layers together, the order you paste them in is important because if you later "detach" one part of the creation it can result in the whole thing just dropping to bits! JM fell apart on several occasions!  :)
Fortunately there are several levels of "undo" and "redo" so all is not lost but it is scary when it first happens to you after 2 or 3 hours of getting something "just so" and the last little tweak brings it all crashing down!
The other thing about building JM was when I was first trying to work out the strumming action....before the guitar was in place....the first couple of attempts made it look like he was doing something else altogether! :shock:  ;)
Thanks for asking.  :)
hahaha, wow man. Excellent effort.
They really should have contests for this game, deciding who can create the most jaw dropping level sequences.

Or maybe they already have those and I'm just a know-nothing...  :roll:
Title: Re: Toys Video - Call it my Frost*ie Report for 2008! : UPDATED
Post by: Pedro on January 26, 2009, 08:38:08 AM
Some of the Little Big Planet related forums do run contests for actual playable levels but that does not cover this kind of thing. As far as I can tell there are currently only a hand-full of LBP music videos and it looks like mine might have been the first of its kind. There are some cracking music vids out there (Rick Astley and Michael Jackson for example) but these are usually clever "recreations" of the official videos (e.g. Thriller) and those that are "original" tend to use the same footage repeated, a labour-saving strategy that didn't occur to me (D'Oh!)!
Someone suggested it should be entered into some kind of short and/or animated film contest but I don't see how because of the copyrights related to using the game.
It has gone over quite well on an LBP forum and Media Molecule (the game's creators) were very impressed. I hesitate to self-promote it too much more a) cos it doesn't feel that comfortable :oops: and b) it's really up to InsideOut and/or the band to decide if they want to do anything with it first.
Besides, I've had such a buzz from the Frost*ie feedback and that's who it was aimed at really. Thanks again. :)
Title: Re: Toys Video - Call it my Frost*ie Report for 2008! : UPDATED
Post by: rogerg on January 27, 2009, 12:59:52 AM
as I said before, it is a work of art, and I hope Inside/Out realizes what a big thing it could be for them, and does a little leg-work and gets the LBP folks on board to make something happen with it.
Title: Re: Toys Video - Call it my Frost*ie Report for 2008! : UPDATED
Post by: Mouse on January 27, 2009, 07:40:57 PM
Quote from: "rogerg"as I said before, it is a work of art, and I hope Inside/Out realizes what a big thing it could be for them, and does a little leg-work and gets the LBP folks on board to make something happen with it.

Aye, it could be a really damn fine promo for all sides. LBP get to show to those who don't know what you can really do with the game, and Inside/Out and Frost* would get some major exposure to the world. We can hope!  :)
Title: Re: Toys Video - Call it my Frost*ie Report for 2008! : UPDATED
Post by: Pedro on January 31, 2009, 02:02:43 AM
Forgive a small trumpet solo :-
MediaMolecule's home page (//http://www.mediamolecule.com/2009/01/27/best-fans-ever/#more-240) features an article ("Best Fans Ever?") on fan creations and within it (via the "Read more" link) they've embedded the video and they kindly say some lovely things about it.

It seems the article was written by someone called "moo" as well!  :)
Title: Re: Toys Video - Call it my Frost*ie Report for 2008! : UPDATED
Post by: ich_bin_besser on January 31, 2009, 02:06:58 AM
Isn't it great to see opinions like these for your work? Congrats, Pedro.  :D
Title: Re: Toys Video - Call it my Frost*ie Report for 2008! : UPDATED
Post by: Pedro on February 01, 2009, 09:33:57 AM
Thanks, but more importantly there are interesting comments about the music appearing - ranging from not-so-hot to quite promising :-

"Never heard of Frost before, I like this track a lot, heavy Manics influence, wasn't too keen on some of their other stuff after a quick google." (Fair enough....I suppose)

"Not a bad song either." (ok, this one's "faint praise" too maybe but given the average gamer's demographic these days....)

"....with an awesome soundtrack - thanks for submitting it to LittleBigLand. I am now investigating Frost*" (this is more like it)

"You have choose an excellent song...."

"grr where can i get this MP3?"

"Where do u download the song?"
(I replied "iTunes, eMusic, etc."   ;) )

"....[will this] be appearing in LBP in the future in an official capacity? Perhaps as DownLoadableContent? (the music especially)"

...and on one LBP blog (//http://www.littlebigland.com/little-big-planet-videos/lbp-music-video-toys-by-frost/), the administrators moderate the postings and write their own blurb to go with it. In their own words they said....
"Great song....To find out more about the music and the group behind it check out the Frost* site".....and they included a link to the Frost* homepage themselves.

This is beginning to work....
Title: Re: Toys Video - Call it my Frost*ie Report for 2008! : UPDATED
Post by: johninblack on February 01, 2009, 10:54:36 AM
Quote from: "Pedro"Thanks, but more importantly there are interesting comments about the music appearing - ranging from not-so-hot to quite promising :-

"Never heard of Frost before, I like this track a lot, heavy Manics influence, wasn't too keen on some of their other stuff after a quick google." (Fair enough....I suppose)

"Not a bad song either." (ok, this one's "faint praise" too maybe but given the average gamer's demographic these days....)

"....with an awesome soundtrack - thanks for submitting it to LittleBigLand. I am now investigating Frost*" (this is more like it)

"You have choose an excellent song...."

"grr where can i get this MP3?"

"Where do u download the song?"
(I replied "iTunes, eMusic, etc."   ;) )

"....[will this] be appearing in LBP in the future in an official capacity? Perhaps as DownLoadableContent? (the music especially)"

...and on one LBP blog (//http://www.littlebigland.com/little-big-planet-videos/lbp-music-video-toys-by-frost/), the administrators moderate the postings and write their own blurb to go with it. In their own words they said....
"Great song....To find out more about the music and the group behind it check out the Frost* site".....and they included a link to the Frost* homepage themselves.

This is beginning to work....
That's good progress Pedders, almost implies semi official LBP content, almost, nearly. :mrgreen: