Gurd evening ladies and gents. :D
My name is Steve, and that's why I drink heavily.
I've lurked these halls off and on for a few years now, so I have a rough idea of the hierarchy round here. I think I've worked out who the big shots and the high flyers are, and I understand there's a rather persistent ruffian troll who goes by the name of Jem.
I feel now is the time to break my silence and "join in" as my social therapist would say.
So I thought what better way to break the ice than to be rather rude and selfish and ask a question....
What's the "bog standard widdly widdly Tony Banks" mono lead that Jem refers to in one of the old Keyboard Talk vids?
I'm attempting to learn the BLM solo (after having a bash at hyperventilate - so close!) and try as I might I can't seem to get the right settings in korg WAVESTATION (!!!). The first two WAVESTATION (!!!!!!!!!!!) presets are easy to find, but the last I'm assuming is a custom patch. And squint as I might, I can't make out the knobs and wire connections needed to make a Banksy's ol' Standard.
Unfortunately sound design isn't my area of expertise (I make dentures for a living :) )so unfortunately my ears aren't so good at copying leads and patches.
I realise this is a shot in the dark but... any tips? Tricks? Insults? I don't mind.
Anyhoo, I'll leave that with you, fellow frosties.
Tara!
Sorry, I can't help with the Korg Patch thing but I can say welcome out into the open!
Thank you pedro!
It's good to be out in the open, though perhaps a little chilly.
Welcome, Steve! Uh... I can't answer your question. Did I say Welcome, Steve?
Nice to meet you Gonzo! I'm slowly coming to realise the Korg question might better have been saved for a different topic...we live and learn. Did I say nice to meet you Gonzo?
Herzlich Willkommen, Steve! Very nice introduction! 8-)
Have fun!!
Jürgen
welcome, bos!!
Welcome to the mad house steve :)
Oo a Newbie! Welcome, welcome Bos.
Have a biccie and a glass of something or tea if you must.
There are some folk who only lurk in the Gear threads, they might be able to answer your question properly. Out in the open, you're asking for trouble I'm afraid :?
Welcome, Bos! What's your favourite biscuit? 8-)
On the Wavestation front, I've got a Korg Wavestation plug-in on my computer, but I don't know which one. I will have a proper look at some point to try and find these Tony Banks leads you speak of... :)
Hello Bos! :) Welcome aboard!
The third sound doesn't come from the Wavestation, but from the Korg MS-20 plug-in and it's a sine wave full sustain type of lead ;)
Wow, Hello every body! :mrgreen:
Vielen Dank, Jürgen!
Quote from: "Nellie"Have a biccie and a glass of something or tea if you must.
Quote from: "Mouse"Welcome, Bos! What's your favourite biscuit? 8-)
Why thank you, I think I'll help myself to a Jaffa cake (don't look at me like that!) and a cool glass of jagermeister and rootbeer.
Thank you for the responses to my query. I'll try not to stray to much from the main topic of "introduction" into the co-topic of "geekery", but my
WAVESTATION (sorry it's just everytime I read that it's like it has to be exclaimed!) came with the MS-20 plugin as well, which is what confused me.
So for the record it's the MS-20 patch I'm stuck on. Thanks Gandalf, I shall try and apply my pathetic knowledge of subtractive synthesis to the MS-20. It's about time I learned.
Cheers folks!
Bos, you can also use an Arturia MInimoog V to do that kind of sound if you're not that familiar with the MS-20! ;)
I can send you an mp3 of my attempt to the solo so you can hear what sounds I used
That'd be spiffing Gandalf.
I haven't got Arturia's minimoog unfortunately but I've had a play about with some other synths I've got and found something acceptable (barely)
At some point I'm going to try and either replicate the sounds on a Fantom X or at least try and sample them. "ZZ Lead" is going to be tricky though.
Have you got a link to your performance or would you like my email?
I sent you a PM ;)
That was epic Gandalf!
Identical to the album I'd say!
Cheers!
Welcome Bos a bit late but it's the thought that counts right ;)
Absolutely Mike! Unless you bought me a present :) , in which case gift trumps thought.
... :?:
OK well it's the thought that counts :)
Quote from: "boswell"What's the "bog standard widdly widdly Tony Banks" mono lead that Jem refers to in one of the old Keyboard Talk vids?
Hello mate! Welcome to our insouciant little planet. :D Thank you for taking the time to come say hi. People say we don't bite and that we're harmless, but I warn you...actually, we are entirely harmless. :lol:
Anyways, the mono lead synth thingy you refer to (and forgive me if this is a tad innacurate, we're talking about 5 years ago now...) as far as I can remember was two MS20 plug ins running the same sawtooth lead patch - usual story : filter fully open, attack set to 0, sustain to max, release to medium. The only difference being that one has a quick portamento time and the other had a medium-ish portamento (or glide) time. Also they were slightly detuned. That way you get that ARP Quadra slewing sort of sound that so beguiled me as a 9 year old when I wrote off an entire summer holiday teaching myself to play the In The Cage solo. Just ask my poor Dad, poor sod had to sit through 6 weeks of bum notes....
Anyway, hope that helps mate. Thanks again,
Jem
Wow, there's my answer right there. From the man himself. What a peculiar thing this interweb is.
Thank you kindly Jem. I shall get to it immediately...in the morning....
I currently find myself on a similar path to you Sensei Jeremy, albeit 13 years late starting. I'm ploughing through the old Cinema Show on my trusty ARP Soloist VST *ahem*, trying to get those quick legato runs drilled into my fragile subconscious. After that I've got to polish of the intro to The Lamb and Firth, and then I'm a 9th of a percent closer to becoming Tony Banks.
Thanks for the enlightenment, I shall have to buy you a pint of hobnobs sometime.
And that's, as Mr.Fred Dineage would say, How for now. Ciao
I'm sorry Boswell, but I hate your avatar! It's REALLY SCARY!!!!
*ahem* pot *cough* kettle *Splutter splutter choke*
It took me ages to make that. The Ferrero Rocher wrappers he has for eyes wouldn't stay put.
Quote from: "boswell"*ahem* pot *cough* kettle *Splutter splutter choke*
It took me ages to make that. The frerero Rocher wrappers he has for eyes wouldn't stay put.
It is artistically brilliant, it's just REALLY SCARY!! Unfortunately, I actually look like mine. :shock:
Quote from: "Nellie"Unfortunately, I actually look like mine. :shock:
I can vouch for that.
Although she's shaved her beard off since I last saw her. Crikey, is it that long? Must try to get to the Fridge Festival....
I think Bos's head is scary, too.
Unfortunately I look like mine as well, only with more chins and less compacted frozen water.
I'll have to chose a less offensive Avatar. After all it's not even winter anymore...
*sings badly* ?? Ooooh will yoooou tell mee when it's gone, will you tell me when it's over ??
Quote from: "boswell"Unfortunately I look like mine as well, only with more chins and less compacted frozen water.
I'll have to chose a less offensive Avatar. After all it's not even winter anymore...
*sings badly* ?? Ooooh will yoooou tell mee when it's gone, will you tell me when it's over ??
bugger!! have just woken up only to find that i look like mine as well, never mind its brilliant to finally be here in frostieland chocolate covered malted milk anyone?
Welcome!
I'll take a virtual biscuit from you - fewer calories. :)
Welcome davejd make yourself at home :)
Welcome DaveJD!
I'm not the newbie any more, yay :D
Welcome, Sir Dave of JD! :)
welcome, dave!!!
cheers everyone it is indeed an honour and a pleasure to be here
What-ho Dave! :D
Heyy, im also from Sunderland! Thats like 2 new forum frosties from Sunderland in 7 days :D
Welcome, Jonty! Make yourself at home. :)
A fellow Mackem! What are ther chances!?
Hew ye deein mate? Pull up a chair, mak yesel' at home. Have a bicky.
Rather curiously I'm also from Sunderland. And even more coincidentally despite the fact that I've lived in London since 1986 I'm currently sitting in my Mam's living room in Roker.
I wonder how many Geordies there are? Probably not that many. I suppose we Mackems have a better taste in music, and can appreciate the finer points of progressive rock. And we can read.
Quote from: "boswell"I wonder how many Geordies there are?
There's thousands of them...look how many there are on here! ;)
Quote from: "boswell"I suppose we Mackems have a better taste in music
Deffo better than those who aren't on here. :)
Quote from: "Pedro"Quote from: "boswell"I wonder how many Geordies there are?
There's thousands of them...look how many there are on here! ;)
I hope you're not calling us Geordies Pedders. That sort of talk will get you killed on wearside :twisted:
That would be the kind of open-mouth-insert-foot thing I'd do....not knowing what a Mackem is! :)
Well I'd explain it Pedro but that would take this thread completely off track and....hang on.....I'd forgotten which forum I was posting to for a moment there.
Ok here I go. I'll try to be brief.
Geordie was originally used to describe any person living in the area directly North of the Tyne (i.e Newcastle). No one really knows why and I'm not going to discuss the theories here. They're pretty far fetched.
It has since come to refer to the distinctive accent (which is markedly different from a Sunderland one mind you!) spoken by people south of the Tyne such as Gateshead (where the aeroplane crashed, and the locals tried to cover it up by calling it an "Angel") and Jarrow, even as far as Washington. To the North it covers most of Northumberland up to Berwick, where it sort of tapers off into Scotch.
The word "Mackem" is a derogatory word for people from Sunderland and occasionally Durham (not Middlesboro! They're "Smoggies") ascribed to us because of the way we talk, or "tark". A Sunderland speaker will traditionally use the word "mack" instead of make, and "tack" instead of take, as well as a mirriad of other idiosyncrasities. Although being bright and astute as we Sunderlanders are we took the word as a term of endearment, and it has sort of stuck. I personally prefer the term Wearsider.
Noteable Mackems:
Joseph Swann (inventor of the lightbulb);
The Futureheads (contemporary indie rock band);
Terry Deary (childrens author, "Horrible Histories");
Dave Stewart (one half of the Eurythmics, early pioneer of synth based pop and modern dance music);
The Venerable Bede (Father of English History and early pioneer of synth based pop and modern dance music);
Boswell (need I say more)
All this and learnin' too. :)
Thanks mate.
I'd say "marra" but that might cause offence too? ;)
Nah well you see I've lived in Newcastle for the last two years so I consider myself multi lingual. Actually I'm not even sure if mackems say marra as well. I'm getting to the point where even I can't tell us apart.
Cheers marra! :D
One of the characteristic differences between Geordie and Mackem lingo is the way in which the word "going" is pronounced - if you're from Newcastle you'll say "gannin", if you're from Sunderland you'll say "garn".
Brian Talbot's fabulous book 'Alice In Sunderland' contains much detail, as well as being a wonderful read. Although not a native, Talbot lives in the town.
Other notable musical Mackems include Don Airey (keyboard player with Rainbow, and now Deep Purple), the Toy Dolls and Field Music, whose latest album I can well recommend - there's a selection on last weeks' European Perspective <end of plug>
Sid James died in Sunderland during a performance at the Empire Theatre. Legend has it that on being informed that Sid had "died on stage at Sunderland Empire" his manager quipped "well, he isn't he first". It always was a tough venue :)
Oh yes...and there are those of us who remember David Stewart (as he then called himself) doing floor spots on acoustic guitar in an absolutely heroic Aran sweater at the Glebe Folk and Blues Club at the Royalty in Chester Road.
Both he and Don Airey were taught music by Doug Hugill, head of music at my school and a truly inspirational teacher. For Doug there was no distinction to be made between classical, jazz, rock, folk...quite a rare attitude then.
Alice in Sunderland is one of my all time favourite bewks, perhaps because it is mostly pictures.
I actually had a rather strange experience a while back: I was reading Alice in Sunderland in Mowbray park. As I was leaving to go home, and passing Bede Terrace, who should appear coming down the street in the opposite direction? Brian Talbot of course! If it weren't a library book I'd have got it signed. I was quite taken aback.
Anyway, irrelevant anecdotes aside....
Quote from: "amazingwilf"Both he and Don Airey were taught music by Doug Hugill, head of music at my school and a truly inspirational teacher
What school was that then Wilf? I was a Thornhillian myself.
Now, I'm garna gan check ewt last weeks EP.
Cheers
Monkwearmouth, Sir - though I believe Messrs. Stewart and Airey are both alumni of the Bede, back in the days when it was a grammar school, and where Doug taught for many years.
My old mate Colin went to Thornhill - one day I'll find out what happened to him. We lost touch and I often wonder where he's got to. So if you know Colin Jones, then please let me know :)
Well put it this way, you were living in London before I was even born :P so unless Colin got held back a couple of years I don't think we were at school together.
I was a student of Bede myself, back in the day when it was a sixth form academy. Which it still is. :P
Ah, i just left monkwearmouth last year xD It makes me feel so young :D Leaving plenty of time to become a prog rock genius and become world famou,s having my own steampunk inspired studio in my country hou.... wait... Sounds familiar...
It's an aspiration a lot of us have!
I'll race you!
This seems like a good enough place as any other to just pop my head in and say hello :)
I reckon I'll mostly be lurking here, but it wold be impolite to not say hello. You all seem to have such excellent repoire (I'm sure I've misspelled that) and it is a pure joy to read, so I'll try not to get in the way with my overly exaggerated and I'm quite sure; at times erroneous attempt at proper grammar.
I'm Norwegian, please don't think badly of me. We're awfully glad you helped us during the war!
Onwards and upwards ;)
Welcome jaws...and please feel free to post as much or as little as you want to.
And don't worry about getting 'in the way'...no-one knows where it's going most of the time! :)
Greetings my Norse friend!
Thank you for ABBA! ...wait.
Yer you could say we have good rapport here (sorry but you were just asking for that one :lol: )
We also have good Rappor. And if coffee isn't your cup of tea we also have orange juice. Too orangey for Graculus!
welcome, jaws!!!
Welcome indeed, Jaws!
welcome jaws, am i right in thinking that celtic frost are norwegian?
hello jaws :D
Now, someone play this series of notes on a bass at a slowly increasing tempo:
efefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefef
:twisted:
Welcome, Jaws, and thangYOO for Jarle Bernhoft and Span. Brilliant! Takk!
Haha, thank you Pedro!
Boswell: Really? I wanted to think it was somehow more exotic, maybe french .. and had little lines over the e, and whatnot. Its just rapport eh? There goes all the glamour of this forum...
And I'm not above taking credit for ABBA. Me thinks the swedes get enough cred for IKEA and their cars.
Rogerg and Mouse: Thank you :)
DaveJD: Aren't they swiss? There is a norwegian deathmetal band called Frost though.. or at least I thought there was, but my wiki doesnt back me up.
Gav: My pleasure! Would sir like that on a bass synth or a bass guitar?
Gr8gonzo: A fellow fan? Surely not.. Span was my alltime favorite band! And Jarle's voice is just amazing. Norways finest me thinks. How did you come across them? I thought they never really got around to touring in the US did they? They did however spend a lot of time in the UK.
Again; thank you all! I feel so at home here already! :D
QuoteGav: My pleasure! Would sir like that on a bass synth or a bass guitar?
whatever you prefer, Jaws (go on, prog it up, you know you want to)
Please, just don't eat me :shock:
I choose the synth sir!
I have actually got a song with something along the lines of the riff you mentioned .. although I wouldnt exactely call the song prog.. its a little funny idea I worked on in may last year.
Hmm .. cant qute get the embed thing to work. But its the third song down here -> http://mariusfinnstun.blogspot.com/ (http://mariusfinnstun.blogspot.com/)
The blog is mainly written in norwegian so just ignore it and I promise your brains wont hurt too badly.
*edit*
Forgot to say; please dont take the music too seriously. I just play with genres and little themes.. dont judge :)
sorry jaws, but as the thing at the bottom of my posts says, my computer isn't really capable of getting music off the web, it doesn't even seem to want to load your blog at the moment :?
still, i would love to listen to your splenduous musical doodling when i get the chance- maybe at a friends house or something :D
ps. i also tend to do a lot of random musical doodling, despite quality, seriousness or genre, it's all just a bit of fun! :lol:
Curse your burden of technological deficiency sir, I feel your pain!
Noodling and doodling with music is fun :D If you get the chance I would love to hear what you think :)
i will have to try to do something about my current interweb setup, and once i get the chance i will definitely let you know what i think of your musical beeps and squeaks! :D
I'd be most grateful :)
Good News Jaws!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :!: :!: :!:
My computer has managed to gather it's brains together for long enough to actually download your tune!!! :o
Yay!!!
As soon as it's finished downloading i'll give it a listen and tell you what i think. :)
Very Nice! :D Me Like! :D
I'm particularly fond of the nice little quick piano melody that comes in at the 28 second mark- Beautiful :D
This is really something to be proud of - you've got your own little Hyperventilate in the making! :shock:
Just out of curiosity, what did you record it on?
Thank you :D
Hyperventilate piano? Ah, you listened to the first one? Yeah, that was somewhat subconsciously inspired by the tune ;)
Its a rough idea Ive had kicking about for a while .. That one, and similar tunes Ive worked on (that im really pleased with) usually come out really quick.. Songs usually either come together really fast (at least feeling that the melody works, and that I have something here), or I struggle for ages and eventually give up. Hehe :)
The problem I have is that I go through these periods of huge creativity, and then sort of forget them.. Hidding in my file structure with names like "Song_34_test-mix2".. And they never feel finished to the point that I really want to share them, but I now just felt that those three songs needed to be uploaded - sort of to make myself listen to them - more than anything. And maybe to motivate me to finish them ..
With that first one I really need to something about the drums .. I'm not a drummer, but I feel Ive gotten somewhat more experienced since I mucked that together, so I think I need to try it again :D
But so yeah, I really appreciate you listening to it :)
Its all made in Garageband, if you can believe it. I love that software.. so easy and it doesnt get in the way of creativity. I used Cubase back when I used a pc, but when I got exposed to the iMac at filmschool; I changed my ways and bought a mac.. AND discovered a lovely bit of kit called Garageband :)
*edit*
I'll elaborate more on the gear I used ;) - morgan les paul, epiphone es-335, m-audio midi keyboard, m-audio fast track pro usb soundcard, garageband and a 24" iMac
:)
Thanks Jaws, I'll give the other tracks a listen if my PC keeps working for long enough. :?
I'll report back later...
Right on ;)