The Next Year Studio Quiz!

Started by drblowthingsup, December 11, 2009, 07:42:02 PM

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drblowthingsup

Today i signed a contract to move into a house next year with 6 mates and im planning on turning my room into a rudimentary studio. and i know NOTHING!
im thinking about getting an M-audio Delta midi controller thing and a macbook with logic 9 and some monitors. other than that, im stuck. will i need anything else?
cheerses, cheeses.

Pedro

A copy of SoundOnSound magazine, a well written email to their Studio SOS feature. a large supply of Hobnobs and some good luck!  ;)
"Putting food on the table is more important than 7/8"

johninblack

A touch of patience, talent and RTFM might also help. :mrgreen:
"F#?K OFF, GRANDAD!!!!"

drblowthingsup

it does not bode well for me that i dont know what RTFM means :(

johninblack

Quote from: "drblowthingsup"it does not bode well for me that i dont know what RTFM means :(
Ah! It's one of the male traits that sometimes lets us down, we think we can take our new toys straight from the box and be an expert in seconds. A sensible person (probably female) will Read The F@#cking Manual.
"F#?K OFF, GRANDAD!!!!"

RWA

Quote from: "johninblack"
Quote from: "drblowthingsup"it does not bode well for me that i dont know what RTFM means :(
Ah! It's one of the male traits that sometimes lets us down, we think we can take our new toys straight from the box and be an expert in seconds. A sensible person (probably female) will Read The F@#cking Manual.

Pffff! Manuals are them things you open after spending hours and hours trying to figure something out and after reading and posting about the troubles you have on numerous forums. To find out ................. the solution is in there spending 2 minutes with it.  :?

SerFox

Studio set-up? Hm..

Computer: You'd actually be better investing in an iMac. Roughly same price as a Macbook, if not cheaper, and they aren't that bad in terms of performance. Slightly under that of a Macbook Pro. I got a Macbook for portability however, as I like to be able to take it somewhere and compose in a new environment. If you go for either though, also invest in a Logic keyboard shortcut cover, it extends your keyboards life, and it's useful!

Controllers: M-Audio is always a good bet as long as you're careful. Avoid their low-end stuff, and avoid Behringer. They're good, but not spectacular. My Behringer 65key is a good gigging keyboard though, takes a beating, and it's cheap.
I'd also recommend looking at the KORNnano series, especially the Nanocontrol. Cheaper than a Mackie transport, and since Logic has rather awkward keyboard shortcuts for the most basic things, it's useful to have.

Mixing Desk: You *really* don't need one, though if you get a Nanocontrol you're sorted, that's got some faders on it. I've been producing for a couple of years now, and I still haven't needed one. The mixer in Logic is at a prime location that it's easy to check, and the way it's laid out is very sensible and allows me to see what I'm doing. There are also the analyzing plugins you can stick on each channel and the master which give you more information, which helps in the mixing process.

Microphones and Interfaces: If you're going to be working with audio, and DAW's, you're better off with an interface rather than a whole mixing desk. Desks are more useful for recording audio straight to an outboard interface, a Mackie for instance, THEN bringing that to the DAW for mixing, which is verrrrry Abbey Roads. And expensive. You're best looking for a USB/Firewire (If you're going with a Macbook Pro, you get a firewire 800, which is rather nice) interface with a couple of stereo inputs and monitor outputs. There are a few on the market that do pretty much the same thing. Avoid the M-Audio Digidesign's though, they're horrid. Do some googling before you buy, some of them have high noise inputs or simply don't work with some DAW's and it's best to know before you shell out your hard earned moolah on a piece of duff kit (Trust me, this is experience :( ).
Your microphone is entirely dependent on what you want to record. A pair of Shure dynamic mic's are a good bet for vocals and acoustic instruments, SM57's are best for instruments, and a single SM58 is a classic bread and butter vocal mic that is renowned for being used both in the studio and live. If you're going for a fuller, more articulate sound, you might consider a condenser mic. Ask at a music shop for advice on these, because their applications vary from ambient mic's to drum recordings. Speaking of which, if you want to record acoustic drums, prepare to shell out on quite a few mic's. You'll want a bass drum mic, a pencil mic for the snare, a set of tom clip on mic's if you want that full 'thonk' sound, and a pair of overhead condensers for the cymbals. If you're going to be doing a big production, it's generally cheaper to hire a set of mic's, or go to a studio and bring your drum kit and record it there.

Speakers and headphones: Crucial if you want to be producing top quality choons. This is entirely up to you and depends on the style of music you're going to be writing and producing in the studio. I have a pair of Rokit 5's, and they serve me well, though I did use them for live performance and one of the tweets is a bit noisy, need to have it looked at. But overall they're pretty robust and have a good output with a full sound, and the range is definitely above acceptable. Head to a music/audio store and ask for a demo if any that you see that take your fancy, or if you don't have a clue, just ask and tell them what your intents and purposes are for the monitors and they should be able to help. Just be wary they might try and sell you something more expensive than you need so it's good to ask Google about it before you go, just to familiarize yourself with the terminology, such as Dynamic Range and other gobbldygook they're more likely going to tell you about.
Headphones are also good to have, it gives you another perspective when mixing, and is also paramount when recording with a microphone. I'd recommend flat out get some studio grade Sennheisers. I've tried Senn's, Sony's, Technics and all other sorts and I keep coming back to Sennherisers. The quality is fantastic, they are very robust, built to last, every part on them is replaceable so if a capsule should die, you can get a replacement part for a fraction of the cost of a new pair, and the sound you get isn't just good, you can trust it. I have had a pair of HD212's for a good few years now (Had this pair since 2007) and what I heard back then is exactly what I am hearing now. I have not been able to notice any flux or change in dynamic or quality. I had some bloke bragging to me about his new £300 technics headphones, I had a listen, nothing special, too much bass response. He listened on my then £70 Sennheiser HD212's and looked thoroughly embarrassed.

Apart from this, get yourself a few sample CD's, some software instruments, the general fare of odds and sods that pique your interest. And teabags. Lots of teabags.

Geetar

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Pedro

Top job, Serfox - thanks for taking the time.  :)
"Putting food on the table is more important than 7/8"

SerFox

It killed ten minutes of my otherwise eventless and unplanned Saturday evening :) And if it helps at least one person, hurrah!

Edit: Geetar, I REFUSE to be your 'party ring' :lol:

I'm frightened to think what that might imply :lol:

Drarok

SerFox, could you elaborate on the bit where you say there's plugins you can put on the tracks and master to help with mixing? I use Logic (had express for a few years, upgraded to Logic Studio earlier this year), and I'd love to find things that make mixing easier! :)

SerFox

For example, sticking a multimeter on your Out 1-2 channel is a good idea. If you're in the initial stages of mixing, you want to know what is where, so knowing what is louder and where your main problems are that could be causing the track to peak or if something is being overpowered and the dB isn't giving you enough of a clue, using this is very useful, ie if the bass frequencies light up higher than the treble throughout, chances are that your issue lies somewhere with the bass drum or bass instruments, or even low harmonics given off by midrange instruments (The organ emulator, Epiano emulator and Sculptue are renowned for this)

Also have a look in the EQ section. There is more than one EQ type, you even have the option of only modifying one single band, which is very useful for very precise EQing. Also if you want to give your mix a very unique sound, consider using some of the amp simulators, turn off the cabinet and use the speaker by itself, turning off the crunch and gain, and position a virtual microphone at the speaker as you want it, and use the EQ controls in there. That's just one example of being creative. I get a lot of my crunchy, acid drum sounds that way, and I use the bass sim to get some really wide, fat sounding basses and also my low end of pad's are Bussed through that too usually. Two signals, one going through a bus to a Low pass which I feed the bass amp, and I cut the bass on the rest, which keeps the mid-high centered, but the low end is widened and sounds very rich and raw, which, while using the stereo imager is good, sounds a lot more defined.

I'd also like to add on the subject of Interfaces, if you're a guitarist, Line 6's gear is fantastic, their Toneport and such are great, and the software links directly into Logic as an audio unit you can load up inside logic. No rewiring or outbound recording nessecary, it's right there in Logic.

EVP

+ 1 on getting an iMac. Once you get one, stuff as much RAM into it as you can afford.
You might as well now and you'll be thankful you did down the road. I too use a Macbook
but wouldn't mind having a new desktop now.

+1 on the Korg Nano's . I have Nano Pad and Kontrol and love them. The Nano pad is fun
and I love to do my own drum solo's on them when I want to humor myself. The Kontrol
is nice but I already have my Project Mix I/O which works extremely well with Logic on my
setup for what I need.  I plan on getting the Nano Key eventually.

You definitely want to go with something high speed for an interface. check around and
find out what devices work best with your planned configuration. Serfox is right about
the Maudio/ Digi stuff,though I have to say my Project Mix I/O runs solid and after having
it sent out and had the converters and analog I/O hot-rodded, it sounds better than most
of the FW interfaces on the market right now,aside from the Apogee stuff.

The line 6 stuff is good too. My cousin has a guitar port and is happy for the most part.
My POD XT live has been great as well, though I'm going back to using a real amp
when tracking parts and using it for effects now.

As for Keyboard controllers, I suggest going to a local shop and trying out everything
and see what works and feels good to use. I've been using an Axiom 61 and a 25 since
last spring have had no issues and generally like their action. I'm not a true keyboardist
by any means,so it probably more than enough for me. Other may agree/disagree.

Logic Pro has been great for me since 9.02. Every time I sit down and boot it up I feel
like I have the whole world at my fingertips and get down what I have in my head.

Donlt know if it's been mentioned already or not, but get a good external FW drive
to record your projects to.

rogerg

here's a great condenser mic: MXL, and you can't beat the price!!  I have one of these, and it's very nice.  clear, yet warm.

Geetar

Quote from: "EVP"+ 1 on getting an iMac. Once you get one, stuff as much RAM into it as you can afford.



Donlt know if it's been mentioned already or not, but get a good external FW drive
to record your projects to.



Implicit in any iMac advice would be warning about the periodic perils of hanging a chunky drive and a Firewire interface off the same bus. Remember, if USB doesn't give you enough bandwidth- multiple simultaneous inputs and outputs being a prime case of this- then there's only that one Firewire bus in and out of an iMac. This can and often does lead to contention issues.

My last three generation iMac-using mates in the States all ended up sticking the biggest, quietist HD they could in the iMac, and partitioning it for audio use. They would, I gather, back up to an external drive every few hours or so for really "vital" material they felt they couldn't afford to lose.

Don't underestimate the noise issue, either. iMacs, for all their utility, can be noisy enough to severely p*ss you off during tracking in the same room. I have no experience of the new ones yet, but anecdotally they're not that quiet. I'm waiting to get my hands on one for more testing.




And Serfox:   "party ring" sounds well dodgy. I suspect it's a teenage thing involving small icing-covered  comestibles and a cellphone camera.
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