Hi ho! :D
New RWA track. This one is called "FALL".
Lot's of gits and drums; barely any keys. Except for the bass part.
LINK! (//http://www.box.net/shared/irf4nv8eba)
Enjoy! :shock:
Or not! ;)
Cheers,
Ron
ps: if anyone wants to do vocals to this track; be my guest!
Quote from: "eponymous"Awesome Ron! Thanks for sharing! Some of the guitar strikes me as very Jamie West-Oram-ish -- in a VERY good way!
Well, he's one of my hero's! So there you go. 8-)
Thanks for the comment. :)
Very nice. I'm not awake enough to say anything insightful, but I enjoyed it muchly. Well done. 8-)
I haven't heard it yet, but I'll always grab anything you want to give away!! I've yet to be disappointed!! 8-)
Quote from: "rogerg"I haven't heard it yet, but I'll always grab anything you want to give away!! I've yet to be disappointed!! 8-)
Make sure that during listening ............... you wave your hands in the air..... like you just don't care, K?! 8-)
/waves hands in the air
I like!!
now if anybody wants to write some lyrics, I'd give a go at singing something....
Rock instrumentals always make me want to write lyrics. The one exception is LTE's "When the Water Breaks," which merely made me want to make an elaborate "Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sex"-inspired CGI video about sperm ships racing to fertilize the egg...
I've shared too much again. :shock:
Quote from: "rogerg"/waves hands in the air
8-) 8-) 8-)
Quote from: "rogerg"I like!!
now if anybody wants to write some lyrics, I'd give a go at singing something....
+Quote from: "gr8gonzo"Rock instrumentals always make me want to write lyrics. The one exception is LTE's "When the Water Breaks," which merely made me want to make an elaborate "Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sex"-inspired CGI video about sperm ships racing to fertilize the egg...
I've shared too much again. :shock:
That's how collabs start and love babies are born eventually! Hooray! :D
You guys work something out, K? I'll include any vocal contribution (by anyone for that matter) in the original mix.
Just be aware that I can turn anyone into a raving midget. Vocal wise that is. ;)
I've only ever heard Rog sing opera (which made my jaw drop, btw), so I'm uncertain what his prog rock vocal would sound like. I'm all for stringing some words together if you're onboard.
So, what does the title "Fall" refer to? Autumn? Gravity? Psychological or moral descent? Acronym for "Frosties Are Lovely Loons"? Some combination?
Quote from: "gr8gonzo"I've only ever heard Rog sing opera (which made my jaw drop, btw), so I'm uncertain what his prog rock vocal would sound like. I'm all for stringing some words together if you're onboard.
So, what does the title "Fall" refer to? Autumn? Gravity? Psychological or moral descent? Acronym for "Frosties Are Lovely Loons"? Some combination?
Autumn! Because............................................ it is.
Never mind the title. When I have to save a project in Cubase I give myself 10 seconds to come up with a title.
Obviously I wasn't extremely inspired this time. :lol:
Look, I don't really care for titles when it comes to instrumentals. So..... rename it if that what it takes. You have my blessing. If and when it comes together I'll mix it again and release under the artist name "Frosties". Or "Frostastic". Or "Frostatlantic".
And it could use a proper bass part as well. There's the synth sub bass thing going on which suits the track I guess but if a bass player wants to jump in, well, jump in.
And cowbell. The track doesn't have any cowbell I just realize. Hmmmm.......
Anyways. I think a Cubase project can handle 128 tracks at a time. After that I have to do sub mixes. ;)
Sounds really cool! Good drumming!
I am missing a certain melody/structure throughout the song though. That's where some vocals could really shine. :)
aw, shucks. 8-)
string some words together, gonzo!
me try write good! :mrgreen:
If not fall-related, any preference for theme?
The decline of the textile industry?
I think... yes
Perhaps, but could we have an accompanying LBP video?
I think...maybe... :)
ooh, I'm getting all tingly inside!
So, what's your preference to work from, Rog? This is new to me, so I don't know what you'd need to proceed.
:idea: lyric sheet only (for you to interpret)
:idea: suggested time cues for each line
:idea: actual notes to be sung (note: writing music on staff paper isn't among my talents)
And do you have any non-operatic vocal samples of yourself I can listen to to help me write with your voice in mind?
Quote from: "gr8gonzo"So, what's your preference to work from, Rog? This is new to me, so I don't know what you'd need to preceed.
:idea: lyric sheet only (for you to interpret) sounds good
:idea: suggested time cues for each line if you have something that you're really, really, feeling
:idea: actual notes to be sung (note: writing music on staff paper isn't among my talents) nah
And do you have any non-operatic vocal samples of yourself I can listen to to help me write with your voice in mind?
let me see. there's a couple of things on virb (//http://virb.com/etaoing).
be so blind and
time to start, perhaps.
cool! I think I may have been to that site once before, actually. Nice, smooth vocal. I enjoyed the music, as well. I'll get to writing soon-ish. I still need to absorb the track.
I'm liking this track...and I have no idea how it goes yet! :shock: :D
I do get a very strong impression that there could be sampled speech in the quieter bit in the middle but that could be my over-active cliché gland, obviously.
There is a flavour of GC in there (of course, its Daddy is one of the two Daddies of GC) so I can't help hearing the 'Across The Line' sound being applied to it.
I wish I had time to play with adding melody, words and a keyboard solo (yes, I heard one of those in there too) but I am already over-committed to things as it is.
I look forward to hearing what comes of this and I thank the might Ron for donating his brain-child to the experiment. :)
Quote from: "Pedro"There is a flavour of GC in there...
Green Curry? As in Thai? :shock:
Quote from: "Pedro"I look forward to hearing what comes of this and I thank the might Ron for donating his brain-child to the experiment. :)
I do realize that's it's a bit of a weird track. The first half sounds like autistic stair climbing; one step down, two steps up, one step down, 2 steps up. Then it breaks down half way into something completely different.
Experts would say this track is kinda weird and goes all over the place. Fortunately there's a scapegoat term for this: PROG! :lol:
LOL
I've been trying to work out the structure and form of it all.
I count 192 bars in total; the first 119 in something like 7/4 or 7/8 (never sure how to tell the diffeence) and the remainder in 3/4 or 6/8 (or whatever).
So the first two thirds are in prog time, the last third in waltz time. :D
I have a sort of map drawn up. I think it nearly all falls into chunks that are multiples of 8 bars; there's like a three bar lead-in and an extra four bar bit (at about 02:16).
I'm trying to give names to the chunks at the moment (silly names like "RushLikeWithJoeWalsh'sLife'sBeenGoodChords") but while there are recurring structures it hasn't revealed obvious verse/chorus sections yet - and this is the bit that always impresses and confounds me....
Clever people like Ron comes up with this kind of irregular, asymmetrical but perfect framework that will clearly form the basis of a great prog track. Then, somehow, somebody adds melody and lyrics to it in such a way that it ends up sounding "right". How the hell do they do it?
I was counting 7/8 when I suddenly sneezed and began counting 13/16. I did the dog's head cocked to the side bit, then remembered I'm just writing words. Roger can figure out where to put 'em! :D
I actually have come up with a lyrical concept I think is good and unique - something that seems both pop and prog, yet is neither. Anyone for Thousandshire*?
* no, it's not really that
That count works if you say thir-teen over two beats! ;)
Looking forward to hearing/reading what you come up with.
Quote from: "Pedro""RushLikeWithJoeWalsh'sLife'sBeenGoodChords"
Me thinks we have a title! :mrgreen:
And you're correct sir. First half = 7/8 (prog!) Second half = 3/4 (waltz)
wow, you guys are good! I was just going to sing something....
8-)
ooh, this is going to be fun!
What do you think, Rog? Is it doable? Or are the backmasked Klingon parts in 5-part harmony over the top?
Liking this track a lot.
Very relaxing.
Quote from: "gr8gonzo"What do you think, Rog? Is it doable? Or are the backmasked Klingon parts in 5-part harmony over the top?
:P :lol: :shock: :?
Quote from: "gr8gonzo"What do you think, Rog? Is it doable? Or are the backmasked Klingon parts in 5-part harmony over the top?
well, it's the fact that I sing Klingon with a Romulan accent.
gotta work on that....
played a bit with it today, and there's a lot to play with! I'll find some time this long weekend....
Quote from: "RWA"And cowbell. The track doesn't have any cowbell I just realize. Hmmmm.......
Anyways. I think a Cubase project can handle 128 tracks at a time. After that I have to do sub mixes. ;)
Yes the cowbell, can i play that...please....pretty pretty please!! :P
I studied the master of cowbell for soo long.
MEAN bass part by Bokkie has arrived. He's been slappin' da bitch I tell ya!
So..... lyrics are written as I understand. How's the singing coming together Roger?! :)
well, I've sketched an idea for the beginning, but haven't had much time to work it. and what I've sketched definitely is not ready for prime time!!
if you want to throw me the version with the bass line, or just send me the bass track, I'll use it for further inspiration!
roger@rogergrow.com
Quote from: "rogerg"if you want to throw me the version with the bass line, or just send me the bass track, I'll use it for further inspiration!
roger@rogergrow.com
I've just thrown it over the ocean, so .....DUCK!!! :shock:
How's ocean bass compare to sea bass?
Quote from: "RWA"Quote from: "rogerg"if you want to throw me the version with the bass line, or just send me the bass track, I'll use it for further inspiration!
roger@rogergrow.com
I've just thrown it over the ocean, so .....DUCK!!! :shock:
caught it! good throw!
now to find some time....
Quote from: "RWA"MEAN bass part by Bokkie has arrived. He's been slappin' da bitch I tell ya!
So..... lyrics are written as I understand. How's the singing coming together Roger?! :)
Thanks RWA, for the feathers up my arse (dutch expression). The bitch is slapped and the thumb is sour... 8-) .
Hope it will inspire Roger to do wild things...Roarrrr
New version uploaded! Slightly different intro and......... our very own Bokkie on bass!!!!!
It's shackedelic! :shock:
Fall - version 2 (//http://www.box.net/shared/xfz24m2m9y)
Now...... the entire Frost* community is waiting for Roger his vox..... ;)
Quote from: "RWA"Now...... the entire Frost* community is waiting for Roger his vox..... ;)
I know, I know.... vacation this week, so....
Very cool! Nice work, Bokkie!
Thanks gr8gonzo. great mix RWA and funny intro!
Yeah Roger.. we'll be waiting in full anticipation of your creation.(way much better than those Christmas present's (which i didn't get :cry: ) )
Liking this very much, be interested to hear what Roger comes up with in way of melody.
closing date is ........ Thanks Giving 2010, K?! ;)
Sounding good :D
So, is that Superior Drummer 2.0 on that track, Ron?
I'm pondering buying it with the Latin Percussion add-on but I've found that you can save about 10% of the price by buying EZDrummer bundled with the Latin add-on and then buying the cross-grade to SD2.0. Daft really - buy three boxes for less than the price of two but end up with exactly the same product! :shock:
it's going to take some major small talk to cover the time between now and Thanksgiving!
Quote from: "Pedro"So, is that Superior Drummer 2.0 on that track, Ron?
I'm pondering buying it with the Latin Percussion add-on but I've found that you can save about 10% of the price by buying EZDrummer bundled with the Latin add-on and then buying the cross-grade to SD2.0. Daft really - buy three boxes for less than the price of two but end up with exactly the same product! :shock:
Yes it's SD2 and yes, package and/or upgrade pricing can be a bit weird. It pays to shop around. I got DFHS from a UK shop and then got the upgrade to SD2 from a German shop. Saved me big bucks.
Quote from: "Pedro"it's going to take some major small talk to cover the time between now and Thanksgiving!
:mrgreen:
Quote from: "RWA"New version uploaded! Slightly different intro and......... our very own Bokkie on bass!!!!!
It's shackedelic! :shock:
Fall - version 2 (//http://www.box.net/shared/xfz24m2m9y)
Now...... the entire Frost* community is waiting for Roger his vox..... ;)
Sorry; just managed to have a listen: very good.
But unless I'm missing something, it's shagadelic, rather than shackadelic, right? Makes all the difference to an Englishman. An Englishwoman might see it the other way around, mind you, preferring someone who can provide a roof over her head to a good roll in the hay ... :D
(Yes, that's Catherinellie-bait ;) )
Quote from: "Trapezium Artist"(Yes, that's Catherinellie-bait ;) )
Oh great, now I have a head full of the mice from Disney's Cinderella singing :-
#Leave the sewing to the women
You go get some trimmin'
And we'll make a lovely dress for
Catherinellie!
:) :roll:
Quote from: "Pedro"Quote from: "Trapezium Artist"(Yes, that's Catherinellie-bait ;) )
Oh great, now I have a head full of the mice from Disney's Cinderella singing :-
#Leave the sewing to the women
You go get some trimmin'
And we'll make a lovely dress for
Catherinellie!
:) :roll:
Let's see how long it takes them before they bite.
Or should it be nibble? ;)
Gosh, we're really spoilt for choice here, what with Pedro's offers of a lovely dress (is that one each, Pedders, or one for Nellie and I to share?) and TA's offers of a roof over our heads or a roll in the hay (again, is that one each, TA, or one to share?)
It'll take a while to reach a decision on this one, I think.
Quote from: "catherine"... TA's offers of a roof over our heads or a roll in the hay...
Swiss, Sausage or Fig?
Quote from: "catherine"Gosh, we're really spoilt for choice here, what with Pedro's offers of a lovely dress (is that one each, Pedders, or one for Nellie and I to share?) and TA's offers of a roof over our heads or a roll in the hay (again, is that one each, TA, or one to share?)
It'll take a while to reach a decision on this one, I think.
Hmmm, how can I help you with that, I wonder? Perhaps by pointing out that, since we're discussing this in a virtual community where such things can be duplicated at will, it's free dresses, roofs, and rolls in the hay for all! Hoorah :D
(Still, I quite like the idea that at least some of those things might be shared ... ;) )
Turns out Roger isn't able to deliver vocals any time soon.
So!
If anyone else is interested in doing vocals for this.... go ahead! Contact the great gr8gonzo for the lyrics he wrote for this tune. :)
Quote from: "RWA"Turns out Roger isn't able to deliver vocals any time soon.
So!
If anyone else is interested in doing vocals for this.... go ahead! Contact the great gr8gonzo for the lyrics he wrote for this tune. :)
yeah, just not in the cards at the moment. :(
Awwwww, man! I'm really sorry to hear that. I've been looking forward to hearing his vocal.
I might give it a go, but I'd much prefer someone else volunteer. I'm not terrible, but vocals aren't my strong point.
Ahh, give it a try, Gr8gonzo, Yes you can!! :D
I can try it, but i'm afraid you'll have to autotune the whole thing :lol:
I'm tempted too, but I'm really a BVs kinda guy. It's rare that anything I sing is good enough not to be buried under someone far better!
Quote from: "Bokkie"Ahh, give it a try, Gr8gonzo, Yes you can!! :D
I can try it, but i'm afraid you'll have to autotune the whole thing :lol:
That would make the entire project very Gronings!
And autotune is extremely hip these days. It's used on 9 out of 10 songs in the charts these days.............. ;)
only 9 out of 10?
Quote from: "RacingHippo"I'm tempted too, but I'm really a BVs kinda guy. It's rare that anything I sing is good enough not to be buried under someone far better!
Ah, so you're a bit of a Steve Howe on vocals, then, RH? I saw him with his trio in Cambridge on Tuesday evening - an excellent gig, made all the better by him not singing at all. The time before when I saw him, he brutally murdered a chunk of Close To The Edge. The whole audience was wincing.
LOL Howe's solo LPs were the same. Plenty of others similarly 'gifted' when it comes to attempting their own lead vox including Tony Banks, Steve Hackett & Rick Wakeman. In most cases they got in others who did far better....
Teenage Genesis fanboy that I was at the time, I eagerly rushed out to buy Banks' The Fugitive, which left me pleading "Why, Tony? Why?!", and appreciating that the ability to carry a tune does not a lead singist make.
Similar situation with Rutherford's Acting Very Strange (thank Evans he found Paul Carrack, eh?).
But I'd like to think I sound better than Steve Howe......
Well then... the instrumental..... will stay instrumental! ;)
Thanks Bokkie for the fab bass track. Kinda weird really how this came about. We live 30 km from each other but we've never met or spoken so far. We must do something about that soon.
I'm still willing to try it. I haven't recorded vocals in forever, so I'm a bit rusty, but I'll see if I can make anything listenable (vocally) for human consumption. It may end up rubbish, but I won't know until I try.
Quote from: "gr8gonzo"I'm still willing to try it. I haven't recorded vocals in forever, so I'm a bit rusty, but I'll see if I can make anything listenable (vocally) for human consumption. It may end up rubbish, but I won't know until I try.
Excellent!
And no worries... I have autotune! :P
First of all thank god i'm in...i'm trying to login for two day now...
@RWA Yes we must meet sometime. I can do it on my bicycle :) ( but i think i wil take the Guzzi)
@gr8gonzo: please give it try, maybe RWA can do some of that Jem stuff on the voices.
Wow this is fab!
The guitar solo at 5:30 makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside :D
I don't know what it is between the first and second versions (maybe slightly different EQ'ing) but the first version sounds a little fuller and richer. Saying that I am listening to them on tinny headphones I bought from Aldi :lol: so that might have something to do with it.
I don't know if it needs keys or not but I'm hearing in my head some sord of subtle keyboard line in the background, maybe a little solo or two to compliment the guitar.
I know I don't have much credibility here yet (because I don't have any credibility at all! I make dentures for a living, not music!) but that's just a little input from a Frostie ;)
Can't wait to hear the finished thing!
I've contemplated adding a keyboard track, but I don't want to play anything that will take away from the guitar and bass. I agree it could use an underlying...something... to make it sound a little fuller/warmer. Nothing busy, though.
Quote from: "Bokkie"@RWA Yes we must meet sometime. I can do it on my bicycle :) ( but i think i wil take the Guzzi)
I'm in Groningen every now and then so we'll work something out. :)
Quote from: "Bokkie"@gr8gonzo: please give it try
Yes!
Quote from: "Bokkie"maybe RWA can do some of that Jem stuff on the voices.
I sure can!
Quote from: "boswell"Wow this is fab!
I know I don't have much credibility here yet ....
Don't be silly! Although we do prefer silly around here........ :mrgreen:
Thanks for yer input. Seems Gonzo "heard" keyboards in his head as well. Oh, and the only difference between version 1 and 2 is version 2 has Bokkie's bass part in it. Version 1 only has some synth bass.
Quote from: "gr8gonzo"I've contemplated adding a keyboard track, but I don't want to play anything that will take away from the guitar and bass. I agree it could use an underlying...something... to make it sound a little fuller/warmer. Nothing busy, though.
Go wild!
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Quote from: "RWA"this post was edited 115 times....
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Quote from: "RWA"this post was edited 115 times....
I'll bet 114 of those edits was to make sure the colours were coordinated.
QuoteOh, and the only difference between version 1 and 2 is version 2 has Bokkie's bass part in it. Version 1 only has some synth bass
Ah well like I said these aren't exactly Senheiser headphones I'm using right now so it's probably that. :)
Quote from: "boswell"I'll bet 114 of those edits was to make sure the colours were coordinated.
I'll bet 112 of them were Pedro. :lol:
Pedro: Nah! I only do that when the grammar check alarm goes off! ;) :twisted: