Well? is it do-able? There's just so much to it, I wonder how practical it is to do live.
In obviously unqualified opinion I would say a tentative yes, depending on who would be available to play (particularly drums).
Another, more serious question would be, will my knees hold-up giving how much bouncing would be required? ;)
We'd better all start learning the backwards lyrics now...
Wonk aye...(the noo)...
I was wondering this very question today. I would love to hear this live.
To pull it off live would require tight musicianship not seen since Tighty McTight And The Tightwads released Tightening My Grip. Or something... Of course, I do not doubt that the chaps could do it and make it look effortless as usual. :)
These come in handy for some of the tricky parts:
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OR...... you include this guy:
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Or this guy:
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Quote from: "RWA"These come in handy for some of the tricky parts:
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In my mind's eye I can see Jem looning around on stage in a steampunked One Man Band rig! :D
Quote from: "sawtooth"Quote from: "RWA"These come in handy for some of the tricky parts:
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In my mind's eye I can see Jem looning around on stage in a steampunked One Man Band rig! :D
I just figured that was TBE...
Surely that's John Mitchell sitting down by the guitar case?
I was thinking this earlier...I don't know if it will be but it would be INCREDIBLE to hear.
If the band could learn the backwards part...
JM could play the violin solo...
Tara Busch...hmm
Maybe if they got a bit of a video show going?
Couple of thoughts though, Jem is very good at changing things up live and also they might only play it once or twice, I can't see anyone having a massive problem with having Tara and Lyndon's parts sampled for the sake of hearing the rest of the madness :mrgreen:
I would think the backward portion would be best left as a sample.
Madfiddler has already expressed his willingness to do his part live, should the opportunity arise.
Another thought is that the band seems to be becoming more fluid, could this include strange lineups for certain gigs or sets thereof? Kind of like the Crimson projekts. Would be pretty cool, even cooler if they did their own versions of things and were recorded for download ;) ;) ;)
If it does get a live airing, Johnny Boyes should be hunted out to do his part. :P
Quote from: "Mouse"If it does get a live airing, Johnny Boyes should be hunted out to do his part. :P
Like a Wildebeast of prog... ;)
Anyone up for a Boyes Hunting party? :P
nice biscuit BTW, Sawtooth :)
I know where he lives! :twisted:
Errr ... so where have you heard TDL ?
Quote from: "Dave M"Errr ... so where have you heard TDL ?
It was broadcast on The Dividing Line. You can now download the Frost* segment of the show (including the new
Snowman, a lengthy and cool interview with Jem and
TDL itself) here: http://www.thedividingline.com/archives.html (http://www.thedividingline.com/archives.html) :)
Quote from: "Mouse"I know where he lives! :twisted:
who? Sawtooth or John Boyes?
If your answer is the latter, i have selected some suitable emoticons to represent the look on my face;
:shock: :?: :!: :?:
I've been in John Boyes' car! With Mouse!
Quote from: "catherine"I've been in John Boyes' car! With Mouse!
That's how rumours start! ;)
Does Boyes know?
Quote from: "Mouse"Quote from: "Dave M"Errr ... so where have you heard TDL ?
It was broadcast on The Dividing Line. You can now download the Frost* segment of the show (including the new Snowman, a lengthy and cool interview with Jem and TDL itself) here: http://www.thedividingline.com/archives.html (http://www.thedividingline.com/archives.html) :)
And Dave M. was never heard from again.
I also see TDL is now up on the Frost* MicePace site http://www.myspace.com/planetfrost (http://www.myspace.com/planetfrost) albeit divided into 2 sections.
i'm getting a friend to download TDL interview for me (all 110MB of it), since the predicted time to download it on my computer was 32 hours and 57 minutes :shock:
Quote from: "gav"i'm getting a friend to download TDL interview for me (all 110MB of it), since the predicted time to download it on my computer was 32 hours and 57 minutes :shock:
Wow i think you need to change your web server :shock: :shock:
we only got broadband in the area about a year or so ago, and my household isn't too big on the whole computermatron thing... :|
I'd be up for it live *grin* :)
success!!!!!!! :lol:
we seem to be recruting jem's live band for him (if that is a good thing or not, i don't know :? )
If it does go live we all have to sing 'you are a lion' :mrgreen:
That would be too good an opportunity to miss! :lol:
How awesome would this song be live??!!!
I could just see a very large sea of heads bobbing up and down like mad.
It's gotta be done.
Quote from: "gr8gonzo"I would think the backward portion would be best left as a sample.
Madfiddler has already expressed his willingness to do his part live, should the opportunity arise.
If Tara couldn't make it, I could perhaps do "that" violin solo... would need mucho practise, and a detuned fiddle, but hell yes!
If you're using an electric violin maybe you could use a pitch shift pedal or something so you could just use one instrument for the whole thing ;)
Hey, this is prog...double-neck violin! ;)
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:shock:
I want one.
I don't play violin, but I want one.
Lol - that's Shankar isn't it?
Mmm pitch shifting... not really good enough quality yet.. unless the release a hardware realtime version of Melodyne ;)
It's ok though, I have a choice of 5 different violins :)
Yeah, I suppose there is time to swap during the song. :)
When you're not playing you could just dance! :lol:
The current thinking is that we'll be opening the Summer's End gig with it. :D
That's why I'm currently frantically buying Fantoms. :lol:
Quote from: "madfiddler"Lol - that's Shankar isn't it?
Mmm pitch shifting... not really good enough quality yet.. unless the release a hardware realtime version of Melodyne ;)
It's ok though, I have a choice of 5 different violins :)
Mark mate! Hello! How nice to see you here. Fancy a cuppa? :D
Quote from: "Jem"Quote from: "madfiddler"Lol - that's Shankar isn't it?
Mmm pitch shifting... not really good enough quality yet.. unless the release a hardware realtime version of Melodyne ;)
It's ok though, I have a choice of 5 different violins :)
Mark mate! Hello! How nice to see you here. Fancy a cuppa? :D
Depends what it's spiked with mate :D
Quote from: "Jem"The current thinking is that we'll be opening the Summer's End gig with it. :D
That's why I'm currently frantically buying Fantoms. :lol:
Bugger; the one gig I can almost definitely not make, and you're going to open with TDL :x
Please say that you'll also play it at the Crimbo gigs: I just pre-emptively bought a pair of Islington tickets, although have no idea yet whether someone will jump on my December schedule with hobnail boots and spoil my party.
BTW, am I the only lame-o here who didn't know that Jem's beloved Genesis also wrote a song called The Dividing Line, on Calling All Stations? I just did a search for some lyrics, came up with that, and was surprised. Just goes to show that I've always been more of a Yesser than a Genesoid, although since we're talking Calling All Stations here, I can surely be excused, right?
And someone will now tell me that TDLBN was originally named for the Genesis song as well. Bah.
(And yes, on listening to the 10th anniversary interview with Jem, I realised for the first time that Fit is a mash-up of a Streets song; still hugely funny IMHO)
Ask me a question about Richard Strauss; I can do better there, I'm sure ... ;)
according to j.jowitt over on the ark web site the frost* line up for the crimbo shows is JM NK and AE on drums but there's no mention of dec ? http://www.arkmusic.co.uk/ (http://www.arkmusic.co.uk/)
Quote from: "turbo"according to j.jowitt over on the ark web site the frost* line up for the crimbo shows is JM NK and AE on drums but there's no mention of dec ? http://www.arkmusic.co.uk/ (http://www.arkmusic.co.uk/)
For me, the presence of TBE is just as surprising (and welcome) as the absence of Dec (err, surely Dec must be there). I'm sure Jem will clarify matters for us ...
Quote from: "Trapezium Artist"Quote from: "Jem"The current thinking is that we'll be opening the Summer's End gig with it. :D
That's why I'm currently frantically buying Fantoms. :lol:
BTW, am I the only lame-o here who didn't know that Jem's beloved Genesis also wrote a song called The Dividing Line, on Calling All Stations? I just did a search for some lyrics, came up with that, and was surprised. Just goes to show that I've always been more of a Yesser than a Genesoid, although since we're talking Calling All Stations here, I can surely be excused, right?
Not just you TA old boy. Until I read that I was also in the dark. Never got the urge to delve into that album. Now I know. More of a Camelite myself tho I do enjoy Gabrielesque Genesis. I'm often amazed just how much I've missed over the years, and am still missing!
:) :) :) :) :)
Quotethe presence of TBE is just as surprising (and welcome)
Having spoken to TBE a few times since he 'left', I think it was more about not being able to commit a lot of time to bands/touring/recording due to changes in his family life and taking on the job at Kiddy College. I think Jem's new working model clearly offers TBE the freedom to be able to contribute
Quote from: "Brom"Quote from: "Trapezium Artist"Quote from: "Jem"The current thinking is that we'll be opening the Summer's End gig with it. :D
That's why I'm currently frantically buying Fantoms. :lol:
BTW, am I the only lame-o here who didn't know that Jem's beloved Genesis also wrote a song called The Dividing Line, on Calling All Stations? I just did a search for some lyrics, came up with that, and was surprised. Just goes to show that I've always been more of a Yesser than a Genesoid, although since we're talking Calling All Stations here, I can surely be excused, right?
Not just you TA old boy. Until I read that I was also in the dark. Never got the urge to delve into that album. Now I know. More of a Camelite myself tho I do enjoy Gabrielesque Genesis. I'm often amazed just how much I've missed over the years, and am still missing!
:) :) :) :) :)
Sheesh; thanks Brom, for coming to stand beside me in my time of befuddlement :D
Just to be clear, I have nothing against Genesis particularly, and have also enjoyed both Gabriel-era stuff and, for whatever reason, Duke. Indeed, scratching this ancient itch suggests I may even have been to see Genesis at Wembley around that time. Double drums with Phil Collins and Chester Thompson?
But that said, I never followed them in any way, so when I got a lot more interested in classical music in my thirties, they dropped completely off my radar screen (well, as much as Phil Collins and his latter-day bald-headed love-sick solo bullshit could ever be scrubbed off that screen even with paint stripper :evil: ).
Whereas I always had time for Yes , who also perpetrated some crimes against humanity in later days, but who'd long since earned a perpetual get-out-of-jail-free card thanks to Fragile-through-Tormato.
So yes, my prog history is very, very patchy at best, and in that regard, I'm thoroughly enjoying listening to the Amazing Wilf's European Perspective podcasts, as he has a vastly broader view of things to educate me, even if he has more of folky bent sometimes relative to my symphonic one.
(Wilf: I'm up to the 1974 Part 2 podcast, so falling further behind by the week: stop making such long shows, dammit ;) )
Quote from: "Trapezium Artist"So yes, my prog history is very, very patchy at best, and in that regard, I'm thoroughly enjoying listening to the Amazing Wilf's European Perspective podcasts, as he has a vastly broader view of things to educate me, even if he has more of folky bent sometimes relative to my symphonic one.
(Wilf: I'm up to the 1974 Part 2 podcast, so falling further behind by the week: stop making such long shows, dammit ;) )
Hey don't complain, Wilf gave us time off for good behaviour last weekend. That's about 5 hours less to catch up on...
Or another chance to listen to episode #66 again (move directly to episode #66, do not pass episode #66; collect TDL).
Quote from: "Tricky"Quote from: "Trapezium Artist"So yes, my prog history is very, very patchy at best, and in that regard, I'm thoroughly enjoying listening to the Amazing Wilf's European Perspective podcasts, as he has a vastly broader view of things to educate me, even if he has more of folky bent sometimes relative to my symphonic one.
(Wilf: I'm up to the 1974 Part 2 podcast, so falling further behind by the week: stop making such long shows, dammit ;) )
Hey don't complain, Wilf gave us time off for good behaviour last weekend. That's about 5 hours less to catch up on...
Or another chance to listen to episode #66 again (move directly to episode #66, do not pass episode #66; collect TDL).
Very sound advice, Tricky, but with two small caveats:
1. I have TDL on rather frequent rotation through my brain in any case (whether via earphones or self-generated from memory), having assiduously ripped it from the TDLBN 10th anniversary broadcast (and with a couple of seconds of anticipatory silence added at the start to tickle the neurons). So, I'll surely enjoy it when it get to #66 of TEP, but ...
2. ... I'm horribly, horribly anal retentive at times and will, nay must, listen to every moment of #60-65 before I dare touch #66. I was at the very end of #59 a few days ago after driving home, knowing that it'd finish within minutes of setting out back to work the next morning and that I didn't have #60 to continue to, due to lack of space on my iPhone. But oh how I struggled overnight to allow myself to delete #59 to make space for #60, thinking I must listen to the end of it first, even if it was a Tangent track that I wasn't really enjoying at all :shock:
(There are times when I really do scratch my head at Wilf's tastes, but others when I think he's inspired ... :D )
Good news everyone!
The band I'm in should have a couple of pub gigs coming in June (supporting another band) and in our set list I've strategically placed a drum vs bass jam (i'm playing bass) and I've decided to sneak in the riff from TDL somewhere! :D
The anoying thing is that no-one in the audience is likely to recognise it! :lol:
Quote from: "gav"The anoying thing is that no-one in the audience is likely to recognise it! :lol:
That's a problem, when they like it and ask you what it was, you'll know what to do! :)
Ah, but which riff? There are so many, after all. Cool decision, though! :)
I was thinking of the big glam riff at the start- I'll have to transpose it down to E because we'll probably end the jam with Black Night by Deep Purple.
RAWK! :twisted:
I quite like sneaking the riffs from Dear Dead Days into one of hQ's live songs called Rock Like This. Although I fear it probably goes over the head of most of the audience :(
Maybe a full blown cover version is in order? ;)
Hmmm... how to emulate walls of keyboards with two guitars, bass and drums... :?
I have a tactic for such problems - rearrange the track. I know some people might cry "Sacriledge!" and "Burn him!", but if you treat the music with respect, you could shuffle the arrangement around in order to make it work for you, AKA playable live without walls of keyboards and without Mitchell. You never know, you might end up creating something unique.
Hmmm... I supose there could be a chance of doing something similar to Gonzo's edit of TDL...
Just to say that TDL live was a great way to start last night.
The recording sounds too complicated for it to work at all, and while there's a few corners cut - work it does...
Quote from: "Julie"We'd better all start learning the backwards lyrics now...
Probably lucky that we didn't have to..
Did they do that new middle section they did at DotR?
Quote from: "gr8gonzo"Did they do that new middle section they did at DotR?
Dunno, I was too busy enjoying myself to notice. But in compensation, here is a photo taken during the middle section of TDL:
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Sorry for the poor quality, I think I was asking a bit much of the camera in my phone :(
Quote from: "gr8gonzo"Did they do that new middle section they did at DotR?
No, it was a new middle section with Blunders on drums and Jem playing a piano part following the melody of the backwards vocals. Worked pretty well although I think playing a sample of the actual backwards section would equally be acceptable, in the same way Queen played a tape of the multi-tracked vocal section of Bo Rap, making it obvious that they weren't miming along to it. It can't be done live and people accept that.
The Dividing Line was perfect at Bilston & Derby - OMG! Sooo brilliant.
Honestly this was one of the most terrifying things I've seen played live. you listen to the track and simply think there's NO WAY that can be done live, and not only that, done justice to.
But bugger me backwards with a rich tea biscuit was it not simply phenomenal. How the hell that much sound came from 4 seemingly 'normal' people is incredible. And seriously, the riff that kicks in where on the track the woman is talking was HUUUUUGE and one of my favourite parts of the gig. Not only is it a massive riff, but very clearly quite tricky to play on, well, all of the instruments (yeah, like the rest of it was a walk in the park!) Those who didn't get to see it, buy the DVD, for this song alone you won't be disappointed!!
Again, I take my hat of to you, Men of Frost*
...and (confession time) the first time I'd heard it! AWESOME!!!
Quote from: "Simon B"...and (confession time) the first time I'd heard it! AWESOME!!!
:o :shock: :o :shock: :o :!:
Quote from: "gr8gonzo"Quote from: "Simon B"...and (confession time) the first time I'd heard it! AWESOME!!!
:o :shock: :o :shock: :o :!:
Look closely at Gonzo's avatar and then buy The Philadelphia Experiment (2CD+DVD) marvel immediately....just £15 here (//http://www.frost-music.co.uk/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=34&products_id=92)! :)
TDL Live, it was...
IMMENSE
Wasn't expecting to hear it and was blown away