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Title: Question For Jem About "original" Snowman Sounds!
Post by: Jim Takacs on June 16, 2010, 07:33:20 PM
I Know He is Extremely Busy Now so maybe someone else knows this or maybe its Been asked before, i couldnt find it, The Main Lead Instrument, riff sound thats a single note sound with the first 3 notes being G, C, Eb, What Is that From? Its Very Similar to, Dare I say it, the sound "echo drops" From the GM Soundset. Its obviously shaped differently using Filters. I Found The almost Exact sound In the Kurz PC3 called "TimbaSynth" Where you use the Mod. wheel to control the Formant or Vowel Shaping! Its Close. Sounds Like Jem Is using a Vocal sample and I always wondered what its saying! THAT im sure has been Beaten To Death Here![attachment=0:35eaua0z]th_other_beatingA_DeadHorse.gif[/attachment:35eaua0z]
Title: Re: Question For Jem About "original" Snowman Sounds!
Post by: Jem on June 16, 2010, 08:01:58 PM
It was a sample from a softsnth way back in the day called Plugsound. Before it became Plugsound Pro, there were 6 little versions you could get. I can't remember which one it was from, but it was just a little 4 note riff that I used the first three notes from.

I think. Truth be told, I don't tend to keep the methods in my memory, I just blunder on until it all sounds right. The best analogy I can think of is a child with his head in the toybox lobbing toys out from it over his shoulder without really looking at them.  :lol:

Even with the songs themselves, I have to re-learn them if I know we're going to do them live. I have no idea how to play most of The Dividing Line currently. I do know that it's in G.

It is isn't it? :P
Title: Re: Question For Jem About "original" Snowman Sounds!
Post by: Tricky on June 16, 2010, 08:28:16 PM
Quote from: "Jem"Even with the songs themselves, I have to re-learn them if I know we're going to do them live. I have no idea how to play most of The Dividing Line currently. I do know that it's in G.

It is isn't it? :P

Heh Heh.
Does this imply a live TDL at some point in the not-too-distant future...? 8-)
Title: Re: Question For Jem About "original" Snowman Sounds!
Post by: Jem on June 17, 2010, 07:30:19 PM
Quote from: "Tricky"Heh Heh.
Does this imply a live TDL at some point in the not-too-distant future...? 8-)

Oh Gawd, yeah! And 1976 too hopefully in time for Xmas.  :D
Title: Re: Question For Jem About "original" Snowman Sounds!
Post by: MarkOneMusic on July 02, 2010, 11:23:05 PM
Quote from: "Jem"Even with the songs themselves, I have to re-learn them if I know we're going to do them live.

I thought that was just me!

I'm right in the middle of mixing a whole CD of songs I can't play! LOL
Title: Re: Question For Jem About "original" Snowman Sounds!
Post by: E.S. on July 04, 2010, 08:50:43 AM
Me too! Somehow, composing and recording is easy, but when it's time to learn my own riffs for live, it's really hard. It's like it was written by someone else.
Title: Re: Question For Jem About "original" Snowman Sounds!
Post by: gav on July 04, 2010, 05:26:18 PM
Quote from: "E.S."Me too! Somehow, composing and recording is easy, but when it's time to learn my own riffs for live, it's really hard. It's like it was written by someone else.
That's the only problem of writing and recording on a DAW- you play it once and then forget about it for a while, and then you have to try to make sense of it all in a live situation, which can be VERY difficult!(As you know, Jem ;) )

This never used to happen when people wrote entire songs as a band before even thinking about recording them! :lol:

[edit]YAY! I just realised that I'm a CHOCOLATE HOBNOB!!![/edit]
Title: Re: Question For Jem About "original" Snowman Sounds!
Post by: Pedro on July 04, 2010, 06:20:08 PM
Grats on the HobNob-ness.  :)
Title: Re: Question For Jem About "original" Snowman Sounds!
Post by: Jem on July 04, 2010, 10:53:03 PM
Quote from: "gav"That's the only problem of writing and recording on a DAW- you play it once and then forget about it for a while, and then you have to try to make sense of it all in a live situation, which can be VERY difficult!(As you know, Jem ;) )

Exactly, it's just "Next! Next! Next!" with ideas and sections. On the plus side, when it does come to work out what you did, you're left in awe of yourself.  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: Question For Jem About "original" Snowman Sounds!
Post by: Pedro on July 04, 2010, 10:57:46 PM
Completely different genre and level but I was sorting through a heap of papers yesterday and I came acrodss a folder from a creative writing course I did a few years ago. There were about 8 of us on the course so I had a misture of stuff that we had all written. I got half-way through reading one bit before I realised it was mine. :oops: I had totally forgotten writing it.  :roll:
Title: Re: Question For Jem About "original" Snowman Sounds!
Post by: EVP on July 05, 2010, 03:15:42 PM
What really sucks is when you have a HD crash and loose that important data
and find that you can't go back to it later! It happened to me once and I learned
from that mistake. I spent forever recreating my effects chain and then I had to try
and figure out what notes I was pulling out of my arse at the time I recorded it.
Title: Re: Question For Jem About "original" Snowman Sounds!
Post by: EvilDragon on July 07, 2010, 05:54:09 PM
Interestingly enough, I was just to open a new thread asking Jem how he got that Snowman "breathy droplet" sound.
Title: Re: Question For Jem About "original" Snowman Sounds!
Post by: EvilDragon on July 08, 2010, 10:06:50 PM
Jem, it would be most appreciated if you could recall how'd you get that sound. Here I have Plugsounds and thousands of patches to go through, but no time to do it :D

Was it a layer of several Plugsound patches? Was it from one of the 6 plugins, or it combines several of them?
Title: Re: Question For Jem About "original" Snowman Sounds!
Post by: Pedro on July 08, 2010, 11:03:42 PM
Didn't Jem already answer this as best he could? Or am I missing a subtle difference in the question?

Quote from: "Jem"It was a sample from a softsnth way back in the day called Plugsound. Before it became Plugsound Pro, there were 6 little versions you could get. I can't remember which one it was from, but it was just a little 4 note riff that I used the first three notes from. I think. Truth be told, I don't tend to keep the methods in my memory, I just blunder on until it all sounds right.
Title: Re: Question For Jem About "original" Snowman Sounds!
Post by: gr8gonzo on July 09, 2010, 12:33:11 AM
Quote from: "Pedro"I just blunder on until it all sounds right.

Jem Blunders!
Title: Re: Question For Jem About "original" Snowman Sounds!
Post by: EvilDragon on July 09, 2010, 10:15:06 AM
Hahahah, I have found it!


Since Jem mentioned that it was a riff, I started rummaging in the Hip-Hop Toolkit, which is more loop/construction kit oriented. And there it was! Play D5 (that would be D an octave above middle C) on preset 289 (03-Instruments Phrases->Combos->Combo - Synth 2) and you get this:

http://www.box.net/shared/sj3rg3jpo5 (http://www.box.net/shared/sj3rg3jpo5)


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Title: Re: Question For Jem About "original" Snowman Sounds!
Post by: Phrog on July 09, 2010, 11:00:36 AM
Quote from: "EvilDragon"Hahahah, I have found it!


Since Jem mentioned that it was a riff, I started rummaging in the Hip-Hop Toolkit, which is more loop/construction kit oriented. And there it was! Play D5 (that would be D an octave above middle C) on preset 289 (03-Instruments Phrases->Combos->Combo - Synth 2) and you get this:

http://www.box.net/shared/sj3rg3jpo5 (http://www.box.net/shared/sj3rg3jpo5)


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Nice work! :)

However, what is your D5 doing an octave above middle C? Your keyboard is broken.  :P
Title: Re: Question For Jem About "original" Snowman Sounds!
Post by: EvilDragon on July 09, 2010, 12:19:01 PM
Quote from: "Phrog"However, what is your D5 doing an octave above middle C? Your keyboard is broken.  :P

There are various talks about this on KvR, it's just the fact that I set C4 to be middle C in my host (Reaper).

Here's the topic: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=290597 (http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=290597)
Title: Re: Question For Jem About "original" Snowman Sounds!
Post by: Jim Takacs on July 10, 2010, 03:31:38 PM
Quote from: "EvilDragon"Hahahah, I have found it!


Since Jem mentioned that it was a riff, I started rummaging in the Hip-Hop Toolkit, which is more loop/construction kit oriented. And there it was! Play D5 (that would be D an octave above middle C) on preset 289 (03-Instruments Phrases->Combos->Combo - Synth 2) and you get this:

http://www.box.net/shared/sj3rg3jpo5 (http://www.box.net/shared/sj3rg3jpo5)


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OK, No F-ing way did you figure that out!!   Brilliant! That is a Very interesting sound. I love the formant of it. I swore it was a sample! Very cool! Great Work Dragon! Now Figure out the Vocal effects chain for the Vocals on  the Original Version! :D
Title: Re: Question For Jem About "original" Snowman Sounds!
Post by: Jim Takacs on July 10, 2010, 03:38:34 PM
Quote from: "EvilDragon"
Quote from: "Phrog"However, what is your D5 doing an octave above middle C? Your keyboard is broken.  :P

There are various talks about this on KvR, it's just the fact that I set C4 to be middle C in my host (Reaper).

Here's the topic: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=290597 (http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=290597)
Oh, And Dragon, You have quite possibly the largest hands Ive ever seen on a Human! Maybe its the Camera Angle, but Still, They look like Camel Spiders from Iraq! Your lucky, Can you reach 2 octaves? :D
[attachment=0:3tuot4p6]camel-spider.jpg[/attachment:3tuot4p6]
Title: Re: Question For Jem About "original" Snowman Sounds!
Post by: EvilDragon on July 10, 2010, 05:46:48 PM
It's the camera angle. I can barely spread a 10th :(
Title: Re: Question For Jem About "original" Snowman Sounds!
Post by: Pedro on July 10, 2010, 06:07:48 PM
I have fairly large hands - on a full-size board I can do C - E' (I guess that's a 16th?) or C# - F'# (17th) without sounding the neighbouring keys....but it's not much of an advantage - I still can't play the thing properly. :(
Title: Re: Question For Jem About "original" Snowman Sounds!
Post by: Phrog on July 10, 2010, 06:24:56 PM
Quote from: "EvilDragon"
Quote from: "Phrog"However, what is your D5 doing an octave above middle C? Your keyboard is broken.  :P

There are various talks about this on KvR, it's just the fact that I set C4 to be middle C in my host (Reaper).

Here's the topic: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=290597 (http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=290597)

Actually I was just being silly, what I meant was a D being an octave above a C.... nevermind.  :oops: (though it feels good to know that I accidentally had a point  :mrgreen: )
Title: Re: Question For Jem About "original" Snowman Sounds!
Post by: EvilDragon on July 10, 2010, 06:47:24 PM
Quote from: "Pedro"I have fairly large hands - on a full-size board I can do C - E' (I guess that's a 16th?) or C# - F'# (17th) without sounding the neighbouring keys....but it's not much of an advantage - I still can't play the thing properly. :(

Actually I didn't mean in chromatic intervals. After octave you have a 9th (nona) and 10th (decim). Your C-E' is a 10th, and C#-F#' is a large 10th.
Title: Re: Question For Jem About "original" Snowman Sounds!
Post by: Pedro on July 10, 2010, 06:58:32 PM
Quote from: "EvilDragon"
Quote from: "Pedro"I have fairly large hands - on a full-size board I can do C - E' (I guess that's a 16th?) or C# - F'# (17th) without sounding the neighbouring keys....but it's not much of an advantage - I still can't play the thing properly. :(
Actually I didn't mean in chromatic intervals. After octave you have a 9th (nona) and 10th (decim). Your C-E' is a 10th, and C#-F#' is a large 10th.
Ah, that makes sense. I don't really know what I'm talking about in musical terminology...or much else for that matter. ;)
Title: Re: Question For Jem About "original" Snowman Sounds!
Post by: Mouse on July 10, 2010, 07:47:35 PM
Quote from: "Jim Takacs"They look like Camel Spiders from Iraq!

(//http://www.frost-music.co.uk/frosties/download/file.php?id=144)

I hope I never encounter one of those f*ckers.  :shock:
Title: Re: Question For Jem About "original" Snowman Sounds!
Post by: E.S. on July 10, 2010, 09:26:21 PM
Rather that than this  :shock:
(//http://creepyanimals.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/coconut-crab.jpg)
Title: Re: Question For Jem About "original" Snowman Sounds!
Post by: Mouse on July 10, 2010, 10:17:12 PM
Right, nightmares tonight, then...  :shock:  :cry:
Title: Re: Question For Jem About "original" Snowman Sounds!
Post by: Jim Takacs on July 10, 2010, 10:35:08 PM
Quote from: "E.S."Rather that than this  :shock:
(//http://creepyanimals.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/coconut-crab.jpg)
Wonder what kind of Roar that bastard would make if thrown into a Large pot of Boiling water with the right seasonings!! 8-) The meat in that Claw alone would fill yah up!
Title: Re: Question For Jem About "original" Snowman Sounds!
Post by: rogerg on July 10, 2010, 11:40:36 PM
Quote from: "E.S."Rather that than this  :shock:
(//http://creepyanimals.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/coconut-crab.jpg)

what the hell is that? and is it real? and how much butter would it take?  8-)


(found it: coconut crab (//http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coconut_crab)  I love crab, and coconut, so it sounds perfect to me!)
Title: Re: Question For Jem About "original" Snowman Sounds!
Post by: gav on July 11, 2010, 02:56:59 PM
Quote from: "rogerg"
Quote from: "E.S."Rather that than this  :shock:
(//http://creepyanimals.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/coconut-crab.jpg)

what the hell is that? and is it real? and how much butter would it take?  8-)


(found it: coconut crab (//http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coconut_crab)  I love crab, and coconut, so it sounds perfect to me!)
:lol:  Most forums would discuss how huge that thing is...


...we discuss the best way to eat it!
Title: Re: Question For Jem About "original" Snowman Sounds!
Post by: Mouse on July 11, 2010, 03:26:16 PM
Also known as the robber crab or palm thief. On the subject of eating one...

Quote from: "Wikipedia"The coconut crab is eaten by Southeast Asians and Pacific Islanders and is considered a delicacy  and an aphrodisiac, with a taste similar to lobster and crab meat. The most prized parts are the eggs inside the female coconut crab and the fat in the abdomen. Coconut crabs can be cooked like other large crustaceans, by boiling or steaming. Different islands also have a variety of recipes, as for example, coconut crab cooked in coconut milk. While the coconut crab itself is not innately poisonous, it may become so depending on its diet, and cases of coconut crab poisoning have occurred. It is believed that the poison comes from plant toxins, which would explain why some animals are poisonous and others not. However, coconut crabs are not a commercially significant species and are usually not sold.

Although watch out where you eat one - one some islands in the Indian Ocean, the species is protected and eating one will land you a fine for about £1,500.  :shock:

I think I'd be OK encountering one of those, actually. They're quite cute in a way. Although, I wouldn't want to get this close to one...

(//http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mmBw3uzPnJI/Shp1GKEJ2UI/AAAAAAAAmw0/xOW5jh0J-hc/s400/giant_coconut_crab_18.jpg)
Title: Re: Question For Jem About "original" Snowman Sounds!
Post by: Jem on July 12, 2010, 10:29:33 AM
Quality hijack people. House points all round. :D
Title: Re: Question For Jem About "original" Snowman Sounds!
Post by: gr8gonzo on July 12, 2010, 01:46:56 PM
Quote from: "rogerg"
Quote from: "E.S."Rather that than this  :shock:
(//http://creepyanimals.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/coconut-crab.jpg)

what the hell is that? and is it real? and how much butter would it take?  8-)


(found it: coconut crab (//http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coconut_crab)  I love crab, and coconut, so it sounds perfect to me!)

Comes with its own take out container. Nice.
Title: Re: Question For Jem About "original" Snowman Sounds!
Post by: Jim Takacs on July 12, 2010, 08:06:07 PM
Quote from: "gr8gonzo"
Quote from: "rogerg"
Quote from: "E.S."Rather that than this  :shock:
(//http://creepyanimals.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/coconut-crab.jpg)

what the hell is that? and is it real? and how much butter would it take?  8-)


(found it: coconut crab (//http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coconut_crab)  I love crab, and coconut, so it sounds perfect to me!)

Comes with its own take out container. Nice.
LMAO!!!  Excellent!! I wonder if they can talk? Maybe recite some Thurber! :D