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Do you ever do the same journey to the same music?
It's very easy to fall into this habit in a car with a tape player or a single CD player if you don't change your discs often (and if you really like a band/LP then this is not hard to do). In this regard prog does present some interesting journeys because the longer lengths of songs allow you to get a decent bit of travelling in.
As an example, back in 2007 I had to go regularly to the hospital every other night or so to visit my ailing Dad (now departed). On a good night the song Deadwing by Porcupine Tree was just the right amount of time to get from my house to the hospital and I used to quite like "lining up" things like traffic light junctions and bits of the song. Equally if it had got to the bit about "closed circuit tv" and I was still at a particular junction I'd know I was not going to make it in time for the end of the song. All a bit silly, but you notice these things after a bit.
Of course any other type of music can do this and long mixes of lots of short songs and so on count just as much as single long songs. I used to rehearse with Small Machine out in Bucks and if I started my journey with my "Roch!" CD compilation the first song would be "Killed By Death" by Motorhead and that would always get me to the first significant roundabout on the journey if the traffic was good/wind was blowing in the right direction etc.
In fact you don't even have to be in a car. I used to have a gym workout that went great to Milliontown and it would be great to be on the treadmill to Hyperventilate, then weights and so on and finishing up with the title track on the recumbent bike.
Okay, this all seems a bit flimsy now as a proposition, but it can't be just me, so if anyone knows what I am talking about at all and wants to offer up some examples from their journeys/record collections/lives, prog or otherwise...then feel free!
Speaking of things lining up... I can't remember what song or artist it was, but on one of my usual trips to the city, the train was a bit late. Before the announcer, there's always this loud "dong" or "beep" or "ka-swoooosh!" or whatever it is where you are in this world. In my case, it hit perfectly on a big ending chord, on time, in key, and made me jump, I thought it was the music evolving on my iPod, rewriting itself by magic.
Or maybe that's what actually happened. :o
Christmas 2010, I took up a job at Royal mail....
Final 15 or so minutes would always go to The Dividing Line so I could get out there smiling and bouncing around the (particularly) large warehouse that was (amongst other things) where I (sometimes) sorted (unsorted) the letters.
Used to have a bit of a run to "A nightmare to remember" by Dream Theater as it seemed to fit a nice pace of jogging and walking.
But I gave that up because it was too much hard work.
The running was ok though :mrgreen:
I tend to stuff a new prog CD in the car stereo and let it loop for several days, so the commute to work tends to feature the same music but seldom starting at the same point.
When I was last obsessed with exercise at the works gym, I found a couple of albums worked well for me; Magenta's "Metamorphosis" and Arena's "Pepper's Ghost"...the latter playing straight to my ego by accompanying the end of my workout with the words; "the king is dead, so worship me!" :lol:
On my way to the gym I seem to always listen to Subsignal or Sieges Even. Other than that, I find when I'm doing anything manic, Tori Amos is an artist that always comes up.
It's strange how listening habits get formed just from having to do something else.
Redemption - The Fullness of Time IV: Transcendence – 7:59 the last song on their The Fullness of Time album is just the right length to get me from the Bus stop to my house on my way home from work :)
LOL Didn't that dog-awful Bruce Willis movie "Hudson Hawk" feature the protagonist tackling time-limited tasks by picking a song of the same length? Hmm....that's the only thing I can remember about that film. :)
Wait, did you take "Hudson Hawk" seriously? Silly, but quite funny. Love it when movies don't take themselves seriously.
:D
Quote from: "ich_bin_besser"Wait, did you take "Hudson Hawk" seriously? Silly, but quite funny. Love it when movies don't take themselves seriously.
:D
:) No, I know it was intended to be ludicrous and not taking itself too seriously...but it just wasn't done well enough to pull it off in my opinion. This was an out-and-out lemon of a film.
I tend to agree with Wikipedia :-
The film received very negative critical reviews and was overall a box office bomb (Budget $65M - Box Office just $17M). James Brundage of AMC filmcritic said the film was "so implausible and so over the top that it lets inconsistency roll off like water on a duck's back." Peter Travers of Rolling Stone said of the film, "A movie this unspeakably awful can make an audience a little crazy. You want to throw things, yell at the actors, beg them to stop." It was also subjected to extensive criticism at Agony Booth in its mega recap. It received three Razzie Awards for Worst Director, Worst Screenplay and Worst Picture with additional nominations for Worst Actor (Bruce Willis), Worst Supporting Actor (Richard E. Grant) and Worst Supporting Actress (Sandra Bernhard). In his autobiography, With Nails, Richard E. Grant diarises the production of the film in detail, noting the ad-hoc nature of the production and extensive rewriting and replotting during the actual filming. Willis went on to become one of the leading box-office stars of the 1990s, but has not made any further forays into scriptwriting.
Journey to work only used to take about 4 minutes so it used to take a while to hear the whole album. On days when I walked I used to find tracks with a decent marching tempo, the man staggering home from the pub isn't drunk, he's trying walk in time to a prog track. I keep meaning to put together a playlist for walking but never get round to it.
Working on the rental property I only have Arena's 7th up there, which is pretty good for smashing up fireplaces and ancient cupboards.
Did a few miles this weekend in my car. The live version of Milliontown, (intros and applause included) got me from roughly Oxford to roughly Banbury on the A34/M40 on Friday night, and from the A650 junction of the M1 down to the M18 junction on Sunday night.
Passing Meadowhall in the southbound peloton-des-voitures with all the riffs and licks flying about the speakers made it all seem quite space-age and busy.
The answer may already be in these pages somewhere too, but it did remind me of something I always wondered about. I assume it is Dec who says "Thankyousomuch!" at the very end, and then the phrase repeats again in a slightly lo-fi manner. Is this him coming through in a long-delay on a mic on the live stage? The amount of time reminds me of old-style 3-3/4" reel to reel print-through but it can't be that, shurely?
My guess is it's either JM or Jem copying Dec's high voice...but there are people here who were there that might be able to remember(?).
I can't remember that, but I do remember that back in the 70s, my dad, who used to do a lot of driving round the south of England, used to know exactly the point on the M4 when Uncle Rick's Journey to the Centre of the Earth, should go on. The final applause would start just he then pulled into the drive at home.
Many years later I found that the same trick worked for me if I put Journey on just after having contributed to the tolls booth outside the Dartford Tunnel.. 8-)
Quote...but I do remember that back in the 70s, my dad, who used to do a lot of driving round the south of England, used to know exactly the point on the M4 when Uncle Rick's Journey to the Centre of the Earth, should go on. The final applause would start just he then pulled into the drive at home.
Many years later I found that the same trick worked for me if I put Journey on just after having contributed to the tolls booth outside the Dartford Tunnel..
*That* is exactly what I'm talkin' about :D :D :D
QuoteMy guess is it's either JM or Jem copying Dec's high voice...but there are people here who were there that might be able to remember(?).
I hadn't thought of that - anyone else familiar with that bit at the end of the song?
Quote from: "JimD"QuoteMy guess is it's either JM or Jem copying Dec's high voice...but there are people here who were there that might be able to remember(?).
I hadn't thought of that - anyone else familiar with that bit at the end of the song?
I always thought it was Dec, never considered it not being him.
Quote from: "Mikey"Quote from: "JimD"QuoteMy guess is it's either JM or Jem copying Dec's high voice...but there are people here who were there that might be able to remember(?).
I hadn't thought of that - anyone else familiar with that bit at the end of the song?
I always thought it was Dec, never considered it not being him.
So your vote is that it is Dec both times and the duplication is down to echo that the sound desk failed to fade down?
Quote from: "Pedro"Quote from: "Mikey"Quote from: "JimD"QuoteMy guess is it's either JM or Jem copying Dec's high voice...but there are people here who were there that might be able to remember(?).
I hadn't thought of that - anyone else familiar with that bit at the end of the song?
I always thought it was Dec, never considered it not being him.
So your vote is that it is Dec both times and the duplication is down to echo that the sound desk failed to fade down?
Yes. But we all know how useless I am ;)
Is it on the TPE DVD? I'd go & look, but I'm watching the Peel gig
yeah, is this the TPE version? I can listen later and see what I hear. I was there, but I don't remember the exact moment! I was whooping it up too loudly!
Yes, it's the version off TPE! :D
Quote from: "JimD"Yes, it's the version off TPE! :D
Then it should be ont DVD.
Just finishing watching DVD's of.... oops can't really say.
Will have a gander later
QuoteThen it should be ont DVD
The DVD what came with the 2CD version of TPE?
Quote from: "JimD"QuoteThen it should be ont DVD
The DVD what came with the 2CD version of TPE?
Told you I was an idiot, I was elsewhere mentally
goes to sit in corner, dribblingBlog will shortly reveal where my mind was (no, not yet)
Quote from: "Pedro"Quote from: "Mikey"Quote from: "JimD"QuoteMy guess is it's either JM or Jem copying Dec's high voice...but there are people here who were there that might be able to remember(?).
I hadn't thought of that - anyone else familiar with that bit at the end of the song?
I always thought it was Dec, never considered it not being him.
So your vote is that it is Dec both times and the duplication is down to echo that the sound desk failed to fade down?
Sounds to me like it's Jem, then some applause, then Dec, then a Dec echo
I think it's echo/delay in the vocal mix. it seems to be timed quite well with the tempo of the song. I hadn't listened that closely before.
cool!
Quote from: "rogerg"I think it's echo/delay in the vocal mix. it seems to be timed quite well with the tempo of the song. I hadn't listened that closely before.
cool!
This is at the end of Milliontown...not sure I can understand why there would be any vocal delay on Dec's mic. Which section were you comparing the tempo with Rog? The closing section is pelting along at circa 176bpm (but of course that has no vox).
I was just tapping my foot. heh
I don't why there would be such an echo, but that's sure what it sounds like!
Definitely an echo effect. Whether it was on the mic at the time is a question for Dec.
Quote from: "gr8gonzo"Definitely an echo effect. Whether it was on the mic at the time is a question for Dec.
Yep, I'm with you, but never thought about why it would be there. Would the boss know?
If he can remember he'll know, his ears will have been over every millimetre of that audio and we know how good his ears are! I've asked, but it's arguably not the most important thing for him to pay attention to right now! ;)
At the end of "Sometimes", Peel gig, Dec says "Thank you so much" in a very similar way.
Quote from: "Mikey"At the end of "Sometimes", Peel gig, Dec says "Thank you so much" in a very similar way.
Quite right, sir.
I'm 100% convinced the first voice is Dec, I'm just baffled by the "echo" because :-
a) I don't think there would have been any needed for that song,
b) I don't think that front of house were likely to "forget" and leave it faded up,
c) I don't think Jem would leave such a "mistake" in the mix, and
d) they are all such scamps and rascals that taking the mickey out of Dec's high voice is not beyond any of them!
:)
I've been playing DTs Dramatic Turn Of Events up and down from Christchurch to Ipswich since it came out, only being replaced on the last journey with ZZ Tops 'Rhythmeen' and Al Di Meola's ' Consequence of chaos' CDs.
Funnily enough I remember hearing it onstage and thinking "that was odd". It was Marky Mark Westwood who did the sound for us and I think he left the delay line open.
I left it in coz it reminded me of those classic 70's live albums like Seconds Out or Supertramp Live in Paris. Just a bit of atmosphere really.
Well, well, echo it was. Thanks for that, guv. :)
My production training must have sunk in, because my head is screaming with pedantic 'delay is not echo' shouts and arm waving. Of course, by putting that here I do become the pedant I initially wanted to avoid making the aquaintance of. Fer feck's sake, shut up man... :roll: :lol: Anyone wanna slap me about the face with a wet fish stuffed with brick? Please do.
Anyways, when I go for my evening walks that sometimes take place in the afternoon, I usually clock up about four miles in an hour-ish. My tool for reading this incredibly accurate measure is whatever album I decide to listen to while I'm a-strolling along. Most albums tend to last about an hour, so if I get back home before it's finished, I win! Or something.
I've had quite a few moments of synchronicity where music and life line up nicely. Most of them I've found rather spiritual. I remember listening to No-Man's Truenorth while out walking at night. I was walking by Hull's only submarium (or 'aquarium' for the rest of the universe) when the song entered the third section and all of the lights in the car park went out. I looked up and saw a beautiful clear sky full of sparkling stars as Tim Bowness crooned "Sweet surrender to the night" in my ears. That was nice. Some other times are just pleasant matches of place and sound, like last week when I was listening to the Marillion track Afraid Of Sunlight. I was walking down the street (I sure do a lot of walking for a small fat chap) and turned round just as the chorus exploded to be hit in the face by a glorious sun blazing through the cloud. That made me smile.
Maybe I should shut up and go for a walk since I love them so much. We now return you to your original thread.
Wow, the repeating Dec mystery is solved! Excellent.
QuoteI've had quite a few moments of synchronicity where music and life line up nicely
Oh yes. Me too.
I used to have a walk that lined up really nicely with Tubular Bells. I made a minidisc of it (it was 1999 after all) and I would start TB at the bottom on my portable player and I'd get to the top of a particular hill if I'd timed it right just as it would "rev up" at about 4.20, and that would feel reliably spiritual in a "wow, man" sort of way. Combining that bit of music with countryside in bloom and evening sunshine is a very good mix in fact.
I was also driving up the M40 once to a Saturday rehearsal in Birmingham and listening to "Rock Bottom" by UFO. Just as Michael Schenker was blistering yet more paint with flurries of unfathomably awesome notes I passed a lorry with "Schenker Distribution" written on the side. It was surely some sort of sign so I bought a lottery ticket and...didn't win. Hey ho.
My newer van has an MP3 player, (as opposed to all UPS vans which are progless) Was on road yesterday to the sound of Arena all day. Didn't even get round to playing all the tracks
Quote from: "Pedro"Well, well, echo it was. Thanks for that, guv. :)
Oo, oo , oo, I got a music question right
43 Arena tracks today, had a radio that didn't keep going to Radio 4 every time I stopped, just paused, everytime I went into 1st gear :?
Working in Leeds and back home for 16.00, UPS would have a fit :lol:
I've developed quite a thing for vans recently. What are you driving?
Mercs for the past 2 days. Stolen from DHL.
My van is a Nemo, yes, ha, ha, ha, ha,
Does have a Schenker connection though
QuoteMy van is a Nemo, yes, ha, ha, ha, ha,
Hey, my main wheels are (attached to) a Citroen C1. I'm not laughing!
I used to think Schenker's Captain Nemo was quite the coolest song when I was about 15. I had "Rock Will Never Die" and it was a great opener.
Quote from: "JimD"Schenker's Captain Nemo
'Tis brilliant.
Have some van pics that i'll put on my blog.
Was listening to my newly-acquired copy of "The Whirlwind" by Transatlantic (thanks for the Amazon tip-off Pedro :) ) whilst driving south on the M1 today and noticed that Track 7 began just as I passed junction 41. Seemed like a good place to start counting and...it would have got me all the way to just past Sheffield Woodall Services, had I not stopped at Sheffield Woodall Services!
Pretty good driving music but I opted to listen to DN#9 for the remainder of the journey for some variety.
A bit of van porn on the blog for Jim D ;)
Wow, what a bunch! Do you get to drive them all? If so, do they all drive differently in some way? The Mercs I mean, although maybe the transit is very similar anyway? Do big companies like DHL have their own mechanics and garage facilities?
Saw a little Nemo-esque Renault the other day. All white. Also my cousin drove an Enterprise Transit over on Weds to do some removals here. But I only loaded it - didn't go for a spin in it.
Current car-music is "The Whirlwind" by Transatlantic. Is it just me or does that LP sound much flatter than "Bridge Across Forever"? You know, like the keyboards were just plugged straight in to the desk and are using fairly standard sounds? Can't fail the performances or songwriting, but sonically it's lacking in excitement for me.
As I don't technically work for DHL, then I only get to drive the odd spare van.
There are slight differences between the vans but only in the same way 2 Mondeos would be different.
There's not a great deal between the vans but the Mercs are slightly better equipped.
UPS have their own mechanics, DHL, don't appear to.
Some of our vans are owned, some on HP. We should have picked up a couple of new VW crafters yesterday but the dealer cocked up the paperwork. Photos when we get the vans
Some Tranny porn for JimD on the blog
no, no, no, no. no, no.
Galileo, Galileo?
You nearly made me soak the keyboard in Earl Grey. :lol:
Magnificooooooooh! I was thinking about vans just yesterday.
Now, the Transit looks quite similar to the big Mercedes to me. Do you know if they share any components? I have a mate who knows all the bits that cars share nowadays. Door handles, floorpans etc. My little C1 is very similar to the Peugeot 107 and Toyota Aygo for example.