big love to my man Tom, who just phoned me for Saline. You are getting such a hug when i next see you!
How was it folks? what happened?
They got Saline? It must've been good then...
All right, who recorded it? (;-)
I hope everyone had a great time! (:-D
(if I hadn't just got in from a walk I'd be green with envy, but you'll have to settle for white with patches of red with envy!)
c'mon.....
They are still laying drunk under the tables...
Well, I'm really knackered and I don't have any piccies (lighting not good enough) or video (tonight I wanted to just enjoy it).
No actual awards for Frost* itself but a good set of top few placings.
JJ got best bass.
JM got 2nd best guitar (Magenta's Chris Fry got the top spot).
JM got the best Musician award.
JG got 2nd best keyboards (he started BLM with "I'm just the second best keyboard player, I walk in the black light....") :) Oliver Wakeman got the top spot.
TBE was something like 3rd best drummer.
I can't recall too much else in my current knackered state.
Magenta won a stack of awards (best album cover, best CRS gig, best female vocalist, best guitar and best band). They played a blinder in the support slot too - the whole of the Metamorphosis album with the full band line-up....very nice.
The awards went on for a bit but it was entertaining - Steve Hackett did the honours well despite Martin Hudson's "help". :)
Frost* were just as good as always - a few moments of (ahem) "un-scheduled improvisation" from the No. 2 keysman....which made for a few laughs.
TBE was amazingly good throughout and made his last performance very memorable.
The set list was :-
BLM
Pocket Sun
EIMA
HyperV
Saline
Wonderland
Snowman
Toys
Milliontown
Encore - Other Me
It all ended a bit abruptly, with no line-up or bow. They walked off the second time, we clapped and hollered, a roadie flashed a torch and the PA muzak started.
A second encore would have been very fitting but , from the setlist it appeared that nothing was prepared.
Saline was lovely (Jem obviously got a real buzz from how well it went) and the whole set just flew by really.
Interestingly, Jem was back to a single keyboard for this one - not sure why, I only got the briefest of minichats with him straight afterwards.
Good to see the many familiar faces and to say hi to most of them (including Prog Dog!). :)
A great night.
Knackered here too. But yes it was great.
Thanks to everyone for making Vicky so welcome. She says she really enjoyed it, and it all makes a bit more sense as a live experience. Although perhaps once a year is her limit.
As Pedro says, Magenta won a lot of awards - they seem very nice people, but all the clips we heard confirm they're still not really for me.
Was particularly pleased that TBE managed to finally get the oboe solo right on his last performance. And JM, I'm really sorry that we had to dash - the bar staff were too preoccupied for me to get that glass of wine. I'm sure many others were ready to step in in my stead.
It was a good night, some great banter between songs and to paper over cracks. Was never going to have the crackling atmosphere of the Xmas Peel gig, but still a great show.
More thoughts tomorrow when I'm a bit more together. Night all - sleep well.
We are home and warm now..... Prog Dog still has his t-shirt on (I don't think we will get it off him for a couple of days) :D
Had a great time tonight, music was great as usual, people were friendly as always, Big hugs to all Frost*ies. Sorry if we left abruptly but we had to leave as we had a very long drive home and Prog dog had sat in the car freezing his butt off alone for long enough.
If we didn't say byee to you sorry but hopefully we will see you again sometime during the year.
Jib will do the gig comments later no doubt I leave all that to him, just to say I really enjoyed myself and it was brilliant to see lots more women tonight. :) :)
Quote from: "Thread Title"CRS BOTY reviews and feedback...
No, none of that. The sound guys were on top form. :twisted:
But seriously.......
Photo's of Frost* HERE (//http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=15916&l=9a046&id=1179575202)
Photo's of Magenta HERE (//http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=15913&l=ae44f&id=1179575202)
Photo's of Award winners HERE. (//http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=15914&l=51e59&id=1179575202)
A fantastic evenings entertainment. Magenta, to be honest I wasn't expecting a lot. Saw them at Summer's End and they had sound problems from the start of that set, obviously that caused a sub standard performance because tonight I was most Impressed. Very surprised just how much I enjoyed them, so well done. Perhaps it helped that they played the whole of Metamorphosis which is the album I know best.
The awards themselves were MC'd by Martin Hudson in the way only he can, awards presented by Steve Hackett. The awards went something like.....
Best Male Vocalist - Peter Nicholls
Best Female Vocalist - Christina Booth
Best Keyboards - Oliver Wakeman
Best Bass - John Jowitt
Best Drummer - Johanne James
Best Guitarist - Chris Fry
Best Album - Pendragon for Pure
Best CRS gig - Magenta
Best Track - It Bites for This Is England
Best Band - Magenta
Best New Band - Panic Room
CRS Musician of the year - John Mitchell
Album Cover Of The Year - Magenta for Metamorphosis
CRS Special award - Final Conflict
EDIT**(11-01-2009 @ 12:03) Missed one!! Best Roots - Troy Donockly
Feel free to correct any errors, it's getting late!!
Then the main event, Frost*. Fantastic as usual. Not quite the atmosphere as last months Peel gig but still a well played (mostly) set including song of the night, Saline. This track works so well live I really do expect it's inclusion in the set as automatic in the future, but then it's not my decision :mrgreen: A shame we only got one encore, we were certainly ready for it and at first it looked like we might get it but sadly it was not to be. All in all a great night and fitting tribute to Mr Edwards who played a blinder for his last Frost* gig.
Thanks all for the updates on last night - sounds good - and thanks for the great photos already John. :shock: You can sleep now!
Nice to see JM given a deserved gong for his efforts with both It Bites and Frost*.
Pure wouldn't have been my album of the year - but then I'm biased... ;)
That's the crusty cock society for you tho - no surprises imo.
Quote from: "johninblack"But seriously.......
Best Male Vocalist - Peter Nicholls
Best Keyboards - Oliver Wakeman
Best Drummer - Johanne James
Album Cover Of The Year - Magenta for Metamorphosis
Feel free to correct any errors, it's getting late!!
"Interesting" choices. Especially Pete Nicholls, who is an aquired taste at best, and also hasn't done anything this year unless I'm mistaken?
I don't know who Johanne James is so I suppose I shouldn't comment but I doubt he's as good as Andy Edwards.
And the Magenta album cover is rubbish! Frost* should easily have walked that one.
Ho hum.
Great to hear it was another great night for you all. I really am green with envy! :mrgreen: (Mr. Green will have to do for now...)
Does anyone by chance happen to have a recording of Saline? Or anything? I can hope! ;)
Also, I think we all (whether we were there or not) owe a massive thank you and biscuit offering to TBE. Thank you sire! Good luck in the world outside of the Frost*iverse! (I hear it's bright. Too bright for my eyes... 8-) )
The boys played really well - there were a few fluffs from the No. 2 keyboard player, but we forgive him. My husband came along - it was his first Frost* gig. He was rather underwhelmed by Magenta - thought they were too loud, and little dynamic range - but really enjoyed Frost" - and he couldn't understand why the Magenta guitarist got the award as he thought that JM was much better.
Dec was radiant; JJ was splendid; TBE played his socks off; JM was awesome, and Jem was great - really enjoyed his running machine story but didn't get the chance to inspect his head for lumps!
Lovely to see so many Frost*ies there - my husband thinks we're all slightly barking, but he hasn't even met ProgDog! I was very sorry to have to rush away so quickly afterwards, and completely gutted that I didn't get to give TBE a farewell hug, but I had to get the poor tired old codger I'd brought with me back home as it was past his bedtime and his feet were tired.
Quote from: "LivingForever"[
And the Magenta album cover is rubbish! Frost* should easily have walked that one.
Ho hum.
Ah, well. I sponsored that award under strict instructions that Frost weren't nominated. And we still came 4th! :lol:
Thanks for the night.
My lad is buzzing after last night.
The photos are been posted to all and sundry.
Thanks everyone and he will definately be returning if venue age restrictions allow!
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Good luck again to Andy for when he becomes a dad
Great years ahead!
Ps forgot to add.
Nice to put names to faces of some of the people we met and talked to, and some just the acknowledging nod of fellow fans. :D
Also big hi to the It Bites forum guys and gals too.
Quote from: "LivingForever""Interesting" choices. Especially Pete Nicholls, who is an aquired taste at best, and also hasn't done anything this year unless I'm mistaken?
IQ done around half a dozen gigs including last years BOTY. Amongst the CRS crowd they are held in very high regard.
Quote from: "LivingForever"I don't know who Johanne James is so I suppose I shouldn't comment but I doubt he's as good as Andy Edwards.
Johanne is drummer with Threshold who are superbly brilliant. Johanne is IMHO fully deserving of his award.
Quote from: "LivingForever"And the Magenta album cover is rubbish! Frost* should easily have walked that one.
Again IMHO the Magenta cover is as good at least as the others that were nominated.
What we really have to remember is that the CRS is the citadel of the hobbit botherers and for the upstarts that are Frost* to make such an assault on their stronghold is actually rather a good result. I mean, come on how the hell could some pop writer possibly be placed higher than the keyboard player with Yes? You know as well as I do that a lot of the CRS members have a huge problem with Jem's dayjob, that is entirely their problem and their short-sightedness. It was very interesting that we were about 3-4 people deep at the front of the stage then there was a gap of 4-8 feet behind the gap were your typical middle aged, balding, slightly overweight MEN. It was almost as though they were scared that to be further forward they might be associated with us lot.
Funny old world, innit.
Quotetypical middle aged, balding, slightly overweight MEN
That was me at the front :D :lol:
Just took a look at your photos, Johninblack - who was carrying Johanne James over his shoulder?!! :shock:
Quote from: "Cynthia's Mallet"Just took a look at your photos, Johninblack - who was carrying Johanne James over his shoulder?!! :shock:
That was Martin Hudson, he did the same thing last year.
Quote from: "Fogeyspasm"That was me at the front :D :lol:
I'm one too, fortunately we have become enlightened. :D
Quote from: "johninblack"IQ done around half a dozen gigs including last years BOTY. Amongst the CRS crowd they are held in very high regard.
Well, ok - but really, 6 gigs does not make for an active year. I guess I imagined these things should work like the Brits where you should at least have released something this year to be eligible. I mean, you know, why don't we just nominate Peter Gabriel or Jon Anderson for this award next year?
Quote from: "LivingForever"And the Magenta album cover is rubbish! Frost* should easily have walked that one.
Again IMHO the Magenta cover is as good at least as the others that were nominated.
Hmmm ok, if you like that kind of thing I suppose it's alright... ;)
QuoteWhat we really have to remember is that the CRS is the citadel of the hobbit botherers and for the upstarts that are Frost* to make such an assault on their stronghold is actually rather a good result. I mean, come on how the hell could some pop writer possibly be placed higher than the keyboard player with Yes? You know as well as I do that a lot of the CRS members have a huge problem with Jem's dayjob, that is entirely their problem and their short-sightedness. It was very interesting that we were about 3-4 people deep at the front of the stage then there was a gap of 4-8 feet behind the gap were your typical middle aged, balding, slightly overweight MEN. It was almost as though they were scared that to be further forward they might be associated with us lot.
Funny old world, innit.
I'm not suggesting for one second that Frost* or its members should have won all these awards - just that, well, maybe some more interesting people who've actively contributed to new music this year should have been recognised in places.
I mean - for Yes's touring keyboard player to win best keyboards? Frankly it's ludicrous. Are you telling me that none of the keyboard players in bands who released fantastic new albums this year were as good? Next year, the bass player out of the Musical Box to win. :shock:
James
Quote from: "LivingForever"I mean - for Yes's touring keyboard player to win best keyboards? Frankly it's ludicrous. Are you telling me that none of the keyboard players in bands who released fantastic new albums this year were as good? Next year, the bass player out of the Musical Box to win.
It's more likely to be a member of Strangefish. For a couple of years they won just about everything purely due to their popularity with the CRS and it's members.
These awards have very little to do with who really deserve them. it's more about who is flavour of the month amongst CRS members. Ridiculous situation but that's how it is.
Have a look here for some background (//http://gep.co.uk/iq/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=1466&highlight=strangefish).
Quote from: "Jem"Quote from: "LivingForever"[
And the Magenta album cover is rubbish! Frost* should easily have walked that one.
Ah, well. I sponsored that award under strict instructions that Frost weren't nominated. And we still came 4th! :lol:
I only just joined the CRS a month or two ago, and the main reason was so me and my lad could see Frost. Well worth it - we had a fab time last night, and loved it (and we also really enjoyed Magenta). I thought it would be fun to vote in this year's awards. Normally I do this at least once a year as part of the classical music industry's awards, and their ceremony tends to be a VIP affair at the Dorchester. Swanky, and full of powerful people (neither of which adjectives really fits me at all!)
Ironically, I felt much more at home last night, despite not really knowing anyone! But I too thought one or two of the results were peculiar. I was amused by quite a loud moan from a large amount of the audience everytime Frost and It Bites were named in a runners-up position. I guess there were quite a few of us Frosties there last night who fully expected a clean sweep! :lol:
Voting for the cover art was a tricky one for me. I confess I voted for Magenta's cover because I thought it was a more interesting and creative image than most (and not because I liked it as such). But I would have voted differently had the award been devoted to artwork generally, and not just the cover. For example, the inside of the EIMA booklet would have been worth voting for, but not so much the outside cover on its own terms, imho. And exactly the same thing goes for Marillion's Happiness is the Road - wonderful artwork inside the books, but the cover itself isn't much to get worked up about. No offence intended to anyone who feels differently! :oops:
Or did I take it all too seriously? ;)
Cheers
David
This sort of stuff happens all the time. I was a member of CAMRA (Campaign For Real Ale) once. The town I lived in at that time continually had the same pub in the Good Beer Guide year after year, not surprisingly it was the pub that most of the members hung out in, OK, it was a goodish pub, but there were others equally as good, if not better in the area but they never got a look in. I championed one of these other pubs and got it into the guide. I moved away, the next edition of the guide saw guess which pub continue to reign supreme.
I would'nt worry too much, I don't think the CRS awards hold much kudos in the outside world and not that much on the inside either. :)
Quote from: "johninblack"...we were about 3-4 people deep at the front of the stage then there was a gap of 4-8 feet behind the gap were your typical middle aged, balding, slightly overweight MEN....
That's where I stood !! :D
No seriously, I think you're spot on. My thoughts were:-
I thought Magenta were quite impressive and from where I was standing, the sound was superb. Having never heard their work before, I was frankly blown away, to the extent I bought the album (thanks to Big Black Shed for filling in my knowledge on this).
I did get the impression that were some vested interests going on, and any organisation inevitably has some politics riding around in there somewhere. Not dissing Oliver Wakeman at all, I thought the funniest thing I heard all night was when he collected his award and some wag in the audience asked whether he called the other members of Yes "uncle". That joke worked on so many levels.. whomever you were Sir, I salute you.
The (light-hearted) groans from us Frost*ies probably said everything that needed saying really. But it's OK; change is never easy. What's important is that we keep banging the Frost* etc drum and smash the system. Man :) Anyway, it's nice to be on the slightly subversive side, I reckon.
So far as Frost* were concerned, I thought they played really well, despite I understand the feelings of the band afterwards. Certainly Mrs Bert (2nd Hand Prog) thought they were great. Lovely also to say hello again to Mr & Mrs JiB, Sammi, BBS, Gig Buddy, MikeEvs etc. Hope to see you all again soon.
Quote from: "LivingForever""Interesting" choices. Especially Pete Nicholls, who is an aquired taste at best, and also hasn't done anything this year unless I'm mistaken?
I thought that was the weirdest one. I have all of IQ's albums (never seen them live though), so I'd call myself a fan - but never in a million years would I have expected this result for best male vocalist. Especially with no achievement of note during 2008.
The other wierd ones were Oliver Wakeman for keyboardist (I would have thought there were at least three stronger contenders for this just from the bands which were mentioned time and again during the night), and Pendragon's Pure for best album.
Don't get me wrong - I've nothing against Pendragon. I'm a luke-warm lapsed fan, I suppose (they're one of the few "neo-prog" bands that I feel ever-so-slightly embarrassed by, as if they somehow typify quirks of the genre that don't really do us much favours - but on the other hand I admire that they obviously have a lot of passion for what they do). I haven't heard the new album. But am I right in thinking that it is actually coming out on more "public" commercial release later this year? So is there perhaps a case that it could have been included in next year's voting instead?
I really thought that Frost or It Bites would win the best album - but I guess all that means is that those are the albums I've enjoyed the most.
In the grander scheme of things, I didn't think any of the CRS results were as odd and logic-defying as Robert Plant recently being named as the greatest ever rock vocalist by Planet Rock. Nothing against Plant, but he's not my idea of a great singer.
I guess it just goes to show that even among folk of similar passions and tastes, we should all actually decide on our own personalised awards of the year. But then that would sad and nerdy. So right up my street, probably.
Cheers
David
Quote from: "Fogeyspasm"Thanks for the night.
My lad is buzzing after last night.
Mine too - I think we probably chatted briefly afterwards when I was worrying about finding a T shirt that would fit.
nice to put a face to a name, etc.
Also really nice to briefly say Hi to Tom - hope he didn't think I was weird or mad (though of course I am probably both)
Cheers
David
Quote from: "catherine"My husband ... couldn't understand why the Magenta guitarist got the award as he thought that JM was much better.
We reckoned that JM was awesome, but I've got to admit that I thought Chris Fry was amazing too. Very versatile, and a great performer too - and some astonishing soaring solos. Very much my cup of tea, truth be told.
It was certainly right that JM and Chris Fry were the top two.
Cheers
David
Quote from: "johninblack"[It was very interesting that we were about 3-4 people deep at the front of the stage then there was a gap of 4-8 feet behind the gap were your typical middle aged, balding, slightly overweight MEN. It was almost as though they were scared that to be further forward they might be associated with us lot.
Funny old world, innit.
Actually, we would have loved to have been a bit closer, but we didn't want to rude and push in front of people LOL. My son is very tall for his age, and I'm quite wide (more than slightly overweight, alas, but with a full head of hair and not quite middle aged yet). So we would certainly have spoilt people's views. But we loved our first taste of Frost live, and sang along with every word we could manage.
Sorry, I'll desist from posting on this topic now - its just we're still thrilled to bits about the gig last night.
Cheers
David
Quote from: "Dodie"Quote from: "LivingForever""Interesting" choices. Especially Pete Nicholls, who is an aquired taste at best, and also hasn't done anything this year unless I'm mistaken?
..... never in a million years would I have expected this result for best male vocalist. Especially with no achievement of note during 2008.
The other wierd ones were Oliver Wakeman for keyboardist (I would have thought there were at least three stronger contenders for this just from the bands which were mentioned time and again during the night).
In total agreement.
Well done to all the winners, although I'm disappointed that Touchstone or Tinyfish never got a mention. They've done a lot for prog in the last couple of years IMO.
Just llike to say that I thought the CRS awards were brilliant.
Magenta were awesome as always, and Frost* were stunning once jem got his act together (lol joke) - lots of nice vibes and atmosphere - its what live music is about.
I agree about Tinyfish Jem, I've played their stuff to death - don't tell me Simon was at the CRS Awards? I've chatted with him in SL - I'll be gutted if I had the chance to buy him a pint.
Anyway, great album, great stuff, great youtube, great night :)
Quote from: "Dodie"Also really nice to briefly say Hi to Tom - hope he didn't think I was weird or mad (though of course I am probably both)
Not at all sir. Lovely to meet you.
(Apologies if I seemed reticent at first - questions about beeb politics from someone who seems suspiciously like a journalist tend to do that to me. Pleased to know the press radar is still in working order, but a shame that by the time I knew where we both stood the wife was calling. We can trade industry war stories more fully next time!)
Quote from: "Jem"Well done to all the winners, although I'm disappointed that Touchstone or Tinyfish never got a mention. They've done a lot for prog in the last couple of years IMO.
Yeah, I was surprised Touchstone didn't appear in any lists. When Martin Hudson was doing his 'stalwart of the circuit' speech for his personal award I was completely convinced he was describing them! And the lack of Tinyfish was odd too - as someone said earlier, it reveals itself more as a survey of what's in vogue locally.
Anyway, wasn't Saline MONSTER?
While I love the understated way it works on the album, the 'I won't be the good for nothing' bit at the end worked really well rocked up with drums.
Quote from: "tomskerous"And the lack of Tinyfish was odd too - as someone said earlier, it reveals itself more as a survey of what's in vogue locally.
I think you're right. You can imagine how the awards would have gone if the CRS was based at the Peel!
:D
No Saline on YouTube... Damn. (:-(
Quote from: "johninblack"You know as well as I do that a lot of the CRS members have a huge problem with Jem's dayjob
Really? Weird.
I don't have a problem with their dayjobs...
Quote from: "Jem"Quote from: "johninblack"You know as well as I do that a lot of the CRS members have a huge problem with Jem's dayjob
Really? Weird.
I don't have a problem with their dayjobs...
Maybe that's because you're not a self-righteous arsehole?
What evidence do we have that anyone has a problem with anyone's day job?
I've not seen any....
Quote from: "LivingForever"Quote from: "tomskerous"And the lack of Tinyfish was odd too - as someone said earlier, it reveals itself more as a survey of what's in vogue locally.
I think you're right. You can imagine how the awards would have gone if the CRS was based at the Peel!
:D
I think bands that put a lot of work in playing loads of CRS gigs and generally being 'on-site' at other band's CRS gigs will always be rewarded by the Society faithful.
And why not? These awards are CRS member's chance to vote for bands they have seen regularly over the year - more than likely at a CRS gig. They support the bands that they feel in turn support them and the Society.
'Course this doesn't ALWAYS work out as I can think of a few CRS regulars that never got a mention, and I personally feel like the awards weren't spread around enough across more bands, rather than Magenta (brillant as they are) ending up on stage for most of 'em.
For the record, I let my membership lapse for a coupla years so I didn't get to vote this year anyway!
Quote from: "Pedro"What evidence do we have that anyone has a problem with anyone's day job?
I've not seen any....
Trust me, they're out there. A LOT of "holier-than-thou-pure-prog"-fans who turn their noses up at anything even remotely "commercial" or "mainstream". Thankfully, we don't get them here, but some of the things I've seen people write on other forums have not been in line with what I'd like to consider prog fans to stand for at all. And yes, some of those comments have been about what Jem does when he's not Frost*ing.
Quote from: "Philadelphia"Quote from: "Pedro"What evidence do we have that anyone has a problem with anyone's day job?
I've not seen any....
Trust me, they're out there. A LOT of "holier-than-thou-pure-prog"-fans who turn their noses up at anything even remotely "commercial" or "mainstream". Thankfully, we don't get them here, but some of the things I've seen people write on other forums have not been in line with what I'd like to consider prog fans to stand for at all. And yes, some of those comments have been about what Jem does when he's not Frost*ing.
It's fine, really. I get the same shit from Atomic Kitten fans about Milliontown. :lol:
:D
heh
Wouldn't it be interesting to see a group like Girls Aloud singing The Only Survivors...?
When worlds collide in horrific fashion, including Robert Fripp breakdancing for Run DMC and many more!
Quote from: "Jem"It's fine, really. I get the same shit from Atomic Kitten fans about Milliontown. :lol:
Yep - and the Mellotron-loving hobbit-botherers get the same kind of crap chucked at them from here. Basically, the world can be a cruel, lonely and divisive place.
:lol:
Anyway, one of the things at the CRS I was intruiged by was Panic Room. I liked the sound of the snippet that was played...
Cheers
David
Panic Room are at the Peel soon.
Had a good night got rather drunk I'm surprised Jem felt the need to ask "Are you drunk?" I'd have thought it was obvious :lol:
I didn't take many photos of the gig just mainly shots of my friends and I but one I've separated out the Frost* related ones I'll post the link.
However looking at Pedro's set list I think I have video of pretty much everything apart from the Other Me :shock: I couldn't believe how much footage I have as I didn't realise I'd recorded so much.
It may take me some time to compress it down for youtube, if I have time I'll do youtube versions but put better quality versions for you to download from Rapidshare. Currently the footage is 640x480 25fps avi.
A small selection of Frost* related pics from Saturday night:
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v286/ ... %20Awards/ (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v286/mphgt/Frost%20CRS%20Awards/)
Quote from: "MikeEvs"I think I have video of pretty much everything .... if I have time I'll do youtube versions but put better quality versions for you to download from Rapidshare. Currently the footage is 640x480 25fps avi.
I think I speak for everyone here when I say a) top man and b) Saline first please!! :D
Quote from: "Jem"Well done to all the winners, although I'm disappointed that Touchstone or Tinyfish never got a mention. They've done a lot for prog in the last couple of years IMO.
Yes, you're absolutely right - Touchstone did quite well last year (best new band and 2nd best album plus some other placings , I think) and Tinyfish are another band (like Frost* and a handful of others) who make gig-going FUN as well as musically stunning.
Pointless dwelling really but I must say that it's a real shame that the planned Tinyfish and Touchstone CRS gig in November fell through. If that had happened, I think best gig (at least) would have been in the bag (shared by two great bands). :)
Quote from: "Pedro"Quote from: "Jem"Well done to all the winners, although I'm disappointed that Touchstone or Tinyfish never got a mention. They've done a lot for prog in the last couple of years IMO.
Yes, you're absolutely right - Touchstone did quite well last year (best new band and 2nd best album plus some other placings , I think) and Tinyfish are another band (like Frost* and a handful of others) who make gig-going FUN as well as musically stunning.
Pointless dwelling really but I must say that it's a real shame that the planned Tinyfish and Touchstone CRS gig in November fell through. If that had happened, I think best gig (at least) would have been in the bag (shared by two great bands). :)
Totally agree, had that gig gone ahead I'm sure that the awards would have been quite different. Think about it, Tinyfish and Touchstone on stage to receive joint best gig of the year, it could only end up in a bun fight. :D
On a serious note I wanted to say how well organised this years awards were, other than Martin getting in ahead of Steve and announcing the winners on a couple of occasions and nearly giving out the wrong award everything seemed to run well with only a short gap between Magenta and the awards and then a very short gap between the awards and Frost* so well done Martin, Kriss and all at the CRS.
Hi
My first post on here - not too sure just how welcome I will be as;
I am a member of the CRS
I am fat and hairy (but I do like biscuits)
and the third part of the holy trinity - middle aged bloke.
But never mind eh!
I heard of Frost* through the ItBites forum and then saw them supporting Spocks Beard. I was impressed enough to buy Milliontown and then order (through the CRS - shock horror) the new album - excellent. I even have Toys as a ring tone.
Then I jumped at the opportunity to see them at the BOTY awards.
Brilliant night. However, I am a little suprised at the reaction to Frost's new album not being voted as album of the year. Not because I think it unworthy, but because it has only just nicely been released! The negative comments regarding the CRS are undeserved - The CRS booked Frost* for thier annual bash after all.
The awards are what it says on the box - awards by the CRS, voted for by members of the CRS - nothing more.
BTW - in order to be accepted in these parts - I have searched my Ipod and deleted all songs with Tolkein connotations.
Mick
Welcome, Micknand. Grab a cup of tea and a biscuit and join the benign lunacy that is the Frost* forum.
Well thats a nicer greeting that I feared - thanks Catherine
Mick
Quote from: "micknand"Hi
in order to be accepted in these parts - I have searched my Ipod and deleted all songs with Tolkein connotations.
Mick
Ah well, hope you won't miss the Zeppelin. Never mind- we can ramble on with the best of them. And on that note, welcome.
Geetar
Nuts! I'll get me coat
;-)
Mick
Quote from: "micknand"Nuts! I'll get me coat
You'll fit in well :D Welcome. And for the record I'm a CRS member to, we've had joint membership for ages now.
Thanks John
btw I'm a grandad
The first gig I ever attended was the Stranglers, Leeds Queens hall, 1977. The No More Heroes Tour.
Excellent!
Mick
Quote from: "micknand"Thanks John
btw I'm a grandad
The first gig I ever attended was the Stranglers, Leeds Queens hall, 1977. The No More Heroes Tour.
Excellent!
Mick
Bestest band in the world, ever! Saw them on the tour last year and they were really on top form. :D
Hi and welcome to the board. :D
Another CRS member here a very thankful for it too....without them....etc.
Hope you enjoy your time here.
For the record, please state your preferred biscuit after the tone....<beep>....ok, after the beep then....
Pedro
Is Jack Daniels with coke and ice a available in biscuit form? Otherwise I'll have a cider macaroon please.
Mick
Do you have a recipe for cider macaroons?
Buy a bag of macaroons and 6 bottles of bulmers apple cider.
Put the macaroons in the cupboard and drink the cider.
enjoy
Mick
:lol: You sure you haven't been here all along? Welcome, Sir.
Quote from: "micknand"Buy a bag of macaroons and 6 bottles of bulmers apple cider.
Put the macaroons in the cupboard and drink the cider.
enjoy
Mick
I've got a better version of that..........same as yours but I get the macaroons :mrgreen: Works for me!!
Quote from: "micknand"The first gig I ever attended was the Stranglers, Leeds Queens hall, 1977. The No More Heroes Tour.
Mick
Immediately reminded me of my first gig, also in 1977, Yes at Wembley Empire Pool, October 25, Going For The One tour. I'm still amazed that my parents let me travel down from Buckingham as a decidedly wet-behind-the-ears 16-year old with only an even wetter (but equally devoted Yesfan) schoolmate as travelling companion. Those were the days ...
Slightly more street cred perhaps in my second gig, six months later, namely The Buzzcocks at Aylesbury Friars. I still remember them threatening to walk off if the audience didn't stop gobbing at them; predictably, the gig ended fairly soon thereafter :D
Quote from: "micknand"Geetar
Nuts! I'll get me coat
;-)
Mick
You'll be fine round here mate. Good post :D
I'm a (new) member of the CRS too !!
Right I've just checked my videos and here's a breakdown of what I have:
BLM (2:27 at the start of the song including Jem's "I'm just the 2nd best keyboard player line")
Pocket Sun (2:21 from near the start this ends a bit abruptly, what can I say was drunk)
EIMA
HyperV
Saline
Wonderland
The next clip I have is 24:56 and starts with the last 2:45 of EIMA and then contains everything up to the end of Wonderland, I'm obviously going to have to split these up for youtube and I think in Wonderland Dec asked the audience to sing along and stupidly I did so I might have to edit some of that out as trust me you do not want to hear my drunken rendition of it, and I can only apologise to JIB who was standing next to me if you caught an earful of that :lol:
Snowman
Toys
Milliontown
The next clip is 35:48 Starts at "Death has done her work this morning" and ends when the band leave the stage at the end of Milliontown.
I think what I'll do is split the individual songs up so that you watch them on youtube with the exception of Milliontown which I think rather that split into several parts for youtube I'll leave as one video and give you a link to download it.
A few little things, the lights at the back were playing hell with my camera and so to appear as strips of light right down the picture in parts, also as previously mentioned I was ever so slightly drunk so the footage is the steadiest ever shot and does wander around a bit in places. Also when I've zoomed in tight on someone the picture has got a bit grainy due to the lack of light.
Hopefully some of this will make it online sometime tomorrow night but please be patient it will all get done it just might take me some time.
Quote from: "MikeEvs"I think in Wonderland Dec asked the audience to sing along and stupidly I did so I might have to edit some of that out as trust me you do not want to hear my drunken rendition of it, and I can only apologise to JIB who was standing next to me if you caught an earful of that :lol:
I were too busy creating my own infernal racket. :D
Well done for getting so much of it but yep, the lighting made any kind of imaging very difficult.
I await with genuine excitement, Mike! :D
Oh by the way, does anyone have any live Frost* audio recordings? I've been longing to hear the live versions of BLM and Milliontown again!
Top dude, Mike!
Take your time - it'll be worth the wait :)
welcome micknand!
my first concert was Styx, circa 1976, just prior to the release of Grand Illusion. $5!
and I'm a huge Tolkien fan, so never you mind the hobbit beaters.
8-)
OK, I think there's going to be a stoning.
There seem to be some Frost* coloured glasses around.
Did I attend the same gig?
Yes, I was full of cold and feeling crap, (sorry JiB's if I didn't have much to say) but there's not a mention of all the bits that Jem forgot.
In 30 years of gigs, I can only recall one band ever having to stop & re-start a track. (Frost* again). The gig has been booked for months, at least TBE had learned his keys. I know somethings going on at the minute but I was very disappointed with Jems performance. Those gaffs aside however,
QuoteDec was radiant; JJ was splendid; TBE played his socks off; JM was awesome
I would agree with the above.
The band seems to be developing very nicely as a unit, Dec especially becoming more accustomed with his role. It's a shame TBE is leaving.
The Peel was a different atmosphere, but I thought that as a band, Frost* were better at CRS.
End of year report....could do better.
Mikey I can see your point of view but how many times have you seen Frost* live I'm guessing probably more than me and this was my 4th time. The band can't be perfect every time and they'd be boring to watch if they were.
I admit if this was the first time I'd seen Frost* I might have been disappointed with Jem's performance but it wasn't an ok he didn't have his best gig by a long way but it didn't spoil the evening for me. People make mistakes and at least when Frost* do it the band take it in their stride and smile about it and do it with a touch of humour, better that than the band trying to recreate the song exactly as it is on the record and scowling at each other when someone drops a note.
So I don't think it's a case of Frost* tinted glasses just that Jem's mistakes didn't spoil the enjoyment of the evening at least that was the case for me.
Quote from: "Mikey"In 30 years of gigs, I can only recall one band ever having to stop & re-start a track. (Frost* again)
Ah, well, you've not been going to the same gigs I have then Mikey.
Thomas Dolby had to stop and restart a song at the Brixton Academy once owing to a crashed Mac. Thomas Dolby at The Scala did the same for the same reason some 18 years later. ZZ Top at Donnington got lost in their backing track and had to restart. Tinyfish at the Peel had guitar synth issues and had to start Motorville again. TBE missed his cue into the keyboard solo of Hyperventilate at Summer's End and we had to start that bit again. Then there was Van Halen's classic version of Jump a semitone out to the backing track and although they carried on valiantly, I think they should have stopped and started again.
So you see, we're humans before we're muso's and I just had a bad night. And I did apologise already.
Quote from: "Jem"Quote from: "Mikey"In 30 years of gigs, I can only recall one band ever having to stop & re-start a track. (Frost* again)
Ah, well, you've not been going to the same gigs I have then Mikey.
Thomas Dolby had to stop and restart a song at the Brixton Academy once owing to a crashed Mac. Thomas Dolby at The Scala did the same for the same reason some 18 years later. ZZ Top at Donnington got lost in their backing track and had to restart. Tinyfish at the Peel had guitar synth issues and had to start Motorville again. TBE missed his cue into the keyboard solo of Hyperventilate at Summer's End and we had to start that bit again. Then there was Van Halen's classic version of Jump a semitone out to the backing track and although they carried on valiantly, I think they should have stopped and started again.
So you see, we're humans before we're muso's and I just had a bad night. And I did apologise already.
You see, if you'd come to the Peel and sent the stunt Jem to Rotherham, this would never have happened. AND you would've got a snog! :D
Quote from: "Jem"So you see, we're humans before we're muso's
Bugger.
Bang goes the old Frost*-are-robots theory.
I like humans .. I like the mistakes that come with humans playing music (as opposed to backing tracks - of which there is an enormous amount in use "live" these days) it's what makes seeing a proper band interesting.
Having played in bands for years, I know how difficult live performances can be for many, many different reasons, always expect the unexpected to throw a spanner in the works and affect your performance in one way or another.
Given the complexity of the songs Frost play, I take my hat of to you guys for the performances I have seen .. 3 so far, each one different, each one excellent, each one with cock ups and imperfections ... If you want perfection listen to a CD, if you want the fun of watching a band play, warts and all, go see them live.
Because of the nature of Frost, it's unlikely to ever be the most polished and slick live band, so I think it's reasonable to expect the odd cockup .. afterall Jem was probably so upset about being 2nd to a dep keyboard player in Yes, it affected his performance .. we know what a fragile, shrinking violet he is ;)
As for bands and cockups ... how about Aerosmith .. they changed the set list towards the end of a long tour, being slightly worse for wear on their various "medications", they played the closing song first and rushed off stage heading for the limo's ... I can see it now ... The Lord of Rock heading for the Conaught :D
Or Robbie Williams live on TV (from Roundhay Park), in front of millions, forgetting lyrics and having to restart a song.
(BTW .. Mikey, I'm not having a pop at you, you're more than welcome to your feelings on the matter :D )
Quote from: "Jem"Quote from: "Mikey"In 30 years of gigs, I can only recall one band ever having to stop & re-start a track. (Frost* again)
Ah, well, you've not been going to the same gigs I have then Mikey.
Thomas Dolby had to stop and restart a song at the Brixton Academy once owing to a crashed Mac. Thomas Dolby at The Scala did the same for the same reason some 18 years later. ZZ Top at Donnington got lost in their backing track and had to restart. Tinyfish at the Peel had guitar synth issues and had to start Motorville again. TBE missed his cue into the keyboard solo of Hyperventilate at Summer's End and we had to start that bit again. Then there was Van Halen's classic version of Jump a semitone out to the backing track and although they carried on valiantly, I think they should have stopped and started again.
So you see, we're humans before we're muso's and I just had a bad night. And I did apologise already.
And can I add some recorded performances, Steve Vai on his Alive in an Ultraworld album at one point snaps a string so stops gets the string changed and starts again. On Porcupine Tree's We Lost The Skyline Steven Wilson restarts the song Normal.
And I've just remembered that H goes into one of the tracks from Marbles on their Marbles DVD in the wrong key and they have to start again.
Phew, I was starting to get a complex for a minute back there. :lol:
Quote from: "Jem"Phew, I was starting to get a complex for a minute back there. :lol:
Whoa, careful - your keyboard* parts are quite complex enough as it is.
*And drum parts. And guitar parts. And b.. actually, you could probably make that JJ fella work harder.... ;)
Quote from: "RacingHippo"Whoa, careful - your keyboard* parts are quite complex enough as it is.
*And drum parts. And guitar parts. And b.. actually, you could probably make that JJ fella work harder.... ;)
Indeed: both my two young kids kids are suffering deep existential crises at the moment from listening to Milliontown and EIMA, with conversations along the lines of:
"Sorry, Dad, how is it possible that
all that stuff is being played by just five people???"
"Well, when it's done in the studio, they can play one thing, record it, play it back while playing something else, and so on, until it's all built up into what you now hear."
"Yes, yes, obviously, Dad ... but they do it
live as well!!!"
By comparison, they've got the credit crunch well and truly worked out :D
As for me, I'm definitely with the live-warts-n-all crowd: human is good. Then again, so is platypus, but for completely different reasons.
They've done some great things with technology in synths recently, but you can't hardwire them to your brain yet unfortunately.
Be relieved that Jem's mistakes were the result of Brain malfunction, and not Synth malfunction!
Although I doubt that would stop mr. "backed up across 23 hard drives and 67 USB thumb-drives". :)
OK, The Peel Gig was not the best performance in terms of musicianship that I've ever been to, there were a few fluffs and gaffs. However, music is entertainment, I went there to be entertained, and came back home feeling fully entertained - at all levels. Yes, there were stops, and gaps, and to be honest Frost* could IMHO, do with a bit more rehersal time.
However, let us not forget that Frost is a hobby, a sideline, a fun thing generated by some talented guys who like a laugh whilst still excercising their abilities.
The important word here is time. There was (just about) sufficient time to put a very good CD together, as I've said before Mrs. G deserves a medal. I'm guessing that getting all the band under the same roof at one time for more than a day's playing together would be/was nigh on impossible.
Compare the actual total output (in all forms) from Frost* against any other band, and I think you'll see that we don't do too badly at all.
That's my view anyway.
+1
Quote from: "Dave M"I like humans .. I like the mistakes that come with humans playing music (as opposed to backing tracks - of which there is an enormous amount in use "live" these days) it's what makes seeing a proper band interesting.
Having played in bands for years, I know how difficult live performances can be for many, many different reasons, always expect the unexpected to throw a spanner in the works and affect your performance in one way or another.
Given the complexity of the songs Frost play, I take my hat of to you guys for the performances I have seen .. 3 so far, each one different, each one excellent, each one with cock ups and imperfections ... If you want perfection listen to a CD, if you want the fun of watching a band play, warts and all, go see them live.
Because of the nature of Frost, it's unlikely to ever be the most polished and slick live band, so I think it's reasonable to expect the odd cockup .. afterall Jem was probably so upset about being 2nd to a dep keyboard player in Yes, it affected his performance .. we know what a fragile, shrinking violet he is ;)
For what it's worth, like Dave I've played in bands for years and I gotta say on those odd occasions when things do go tits up, I'd rather stop the song and (a) hopefully make a joke of it, or (b) blame the drummer ;) , then start it again and do it properly rather than blather though half cocked and stressed on the pretension that its 'unprofessional' to stop. JMHO
Oh and 2+ what Brom said.
Quote from: "Jem"So you see, we're humans before we're muso's and I just had a bad night. And I did apologise already.
I don't think you've anything to apologise for mate.
Frankly, I'd be happy to be good enough to do 1/100th of what any of the band do, cock-ups included.
Maybe next time, we should have a panel of judges who can hold up the scores at the end of the gig. Or would that be a bit silly :?
Slickness live is often just a sign you're a little too deep in your comfort zone. I've seen some pretty amazing musicians have another go when ballsing up live over the years.
And anyway, my idea of a thrilling performance is something quite different from the Busby Berkeley notion of honed and polished perfection.
I think you guys have just about said it all. There is really only one answer, write easier songs. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
I would much rather be entertained by a band doing their best to get a complex arrangement/part right than see a perfect but "safe" performance.
Jem, carry yew on boi, as they say round here, we all have bad days at the office.
For an excellent example of how to cope when your performance takes on the topology of a Bartlett (//http://www.theworldwidegourmet.com/products/fruits/bartlett-pear/), look no further than our very own TBE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKx9vh8XPvg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKx9vh8XPvg)
Everything goes OK until about 4:20....
Quote from: "Brom"However, let us not forget that Frost is a hobby, a sideline, a fun thing generated by some talented guys who like a laugh whilst still excercising their abilities.
Many of these bands live really close to eachother too - Frost's geographical diversity would only really become viable when you hit Spocks size. Given the amount of rehearsal time they do get, I think they're brilliant.
Mikey, I agree there were fluffs, but I had a really great time. (Perhaps that's my pop spirit valuing entertainment over dazzling perfect musicianship.)
Aside: Recently went through a bit of a crisis on this front myself - piano teacher promptly gave me a bunch of *concert* recordings of 'the greats' (as opposed to studio recordings) and told me to listen carefully. Cocking up in complex music is an inevitability.
Even Horowitz (Vladimir, not Adam or Anthony) claimed that in all his career he'd only once ever had a piece go as well as he wanted on the night.
Quote from: "tomskerous"Even Horowitz (Vladimir, not Adam or Anthony) claimed that in all his career he'd only once ever had a piece go as well as he wanted on the night.
This seems to be a common trait with musicians... I have a friend who has an amazing voice and everything she sings sounds great to me, but she's forever claiming that her recordings are full of mistakes and are rubbish. ;)
I guess there's no harsher critic than yourself!
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rll6ggk-Y40 (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rll6ggk-Y40) Dream Theater last year screwing up and starting again. The difference is between part-timers like I have been who just plow through mistakes, and through professionals who want you to hear the piece as close to perfect as possible and so start again.
I wish I had been there but even more than that I hope we get some new live dates soon! ;)
Quote from: "DannySoisSage"http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rll6ggk-Y40 Dream Theater last year screwing up and starting again. ;)
Interesting you say "again". All the other times look to be there as well.
This all just goes to prove that it don't matter how good you are you will screw up eventually.
Hi
I do not claim to be a Frost* expert. But, I feel I have been to enough gigs over the last 30 years comment.
On Saturday night I saw a band who, from my perspective were having a ball - a party. And why not? One had just been nominated one of the best keyboard players, another the best Bass player and yet another - Musician of the year! To cap it all it was also a farewell to one of the best drummers I've have heard in a long time.
In contrast the last time I saw Steve Vai - the gig was sterile (and I should know I work in a hospital) no mistakes, everything exact and soulless (sp).
I know which I prefer, I haven't been back to see Steve Vai (actually I was bought the DVD of the tour and that is sterile too) but intend to see Frost* again.
Mick
Quote from: "micknand"In contrast the last time I saw Steve Vai - the gig was sterile (and I should know I work in a hospital)
Quote of the week. LOL. :D
I would have thought with Jem's contacts in other areas of the music business he could have got a backing tape to mime to so that everything was perfect.
Agree totally Mick. I always find the performances where the band are obviously having a ball far more enjoyable than a dead pan emotionless one regardless of the musicianship and the rest of it and when a band such as Frost* come along that have fun and are top, blokes and top musicians I'll happily forgive the odd mess up. Considering the complexity of Jem's creations it's rather surprising that there aren't more but that's testament to the musicianship in Frost*? In terms of talent Frost* really are a supergroup or am I just being a fanboy?
Quote from: "micknand"On Saturday night I saw a band who, from my perspective were having a ball - a party. And why not? One had just been nominated one of the best keyboard players, another the best Bass player and yet another - Musician of the year! To cap it all it was also a farewell to one of the best drummers I've have heard in a long time.
Spot on :D
Quote from: "johninblack"In terms of talent Frost* really are a supergroup or am I just being a fanboy?
Admit it Jib, you are a bit ;) :D
Quote from: "Bert"Quote from: "micknand"On Saturday night I saw a band who, from my perspective were having a ball - a party. And why not? One had just been nominated one of the best keyboard players, another the best Bass player and yet another - Musician of the year! To cap it all it was also a farewell to one of the best drummers I've have heard in a long time.
Spot on :D
Word!
the 3 Frost* gigs I have been to have all been such totally happy experiences I have come out of them all with a ridiculously large grin on my face. There's just something about a band of excellent musicians having such an infectiously good time playing wonderful music... my deepest thanks to all concerned.
Quote from: "Bert"Quote from: "johninblack"In terms of talent Frost* really are a supergroup or am I just being a fanboy?
Admit it Jib, you are a bit ;) :D
OK, I'm John and I'm a Frost* fanboy.
Quote from: "johninblack"Quote from: "Bert"Quote from: "johninblack"In terms of talent Frost* really are a supergroup or am I just being a fanboy?
Admit it Jib, you are a bit ;) :D
OK, I'm John and I'm a Frost* fanboy.
OK, while we're at it, I'm Bert, and I am a Frost* fanboy too (esp Sat night !) :D
Quote from: "catherine"Quote from: "Bert"Quote from: "micknand"On Saturday night I saw a band who, from my perspective were having a ball - a party. And why not? One had just been nominated one of the best keyboard players, another the best Bass player and yet another - Musician of the year! To cap it all it was also a farewell to one of the best drummers I've have heard in a long time.
Spot on :D
Word!
the 3 Frost* gigs I have been to have all been such totally happy experiences I have come out of them all with a ridiculously large grin on my face. There's just something about a band of excellent musicians having such an infectiously good time playing wonderful music... my deepest thanks to all concerned.
Word! x 2 :D
Frost* now has official prog credentials! Steve Hackett has a new website and in his latest blog, he states "Great music at the CRS Awards... really enjoyed Majenta (sic) and Frost." :D
http://www.hackettsongs.com (http://www.hackettsongs.com)
To be honest thats was one of the things i love about Frost was the fact they didn't seem to care if it screwed up a bit and didn't have a hissy fit like some bands do.
I remember watching a Level 42 video were Mark King explained how when your playing and those bum notes come out the professional will always turn and look at his amp as if to say that wasn't me it was my equipment.
Always blame the gear!
Steve Hogarth says on his latest solo live DVD that if (Marillion guitarist) Steve Rothery ever makes a mistake live, he purposefully plays the same mistake to make it seem like he meant it in the first place! :lol:
No such thing as a wrong note - it's just a jazz note. ;)
Hey I got quote of the week!
Does that mean I get a glass/perspex thing in a red box and have my picture taken with a member of a prog supergroup?
Then get slagged of for mistyping my "I'd like to thank my mother in laws cat "cooking fat" for the inspiration...." speech. And have to spend the following week apologising?
(NB..for the easily offended - my mother in law does not have a cat called "cooking fat" - though she did have one once that I named satan - it was an evil little bar steward) (all references to prog super group members alive, dead or stoned are purely coincidental and are not intended to infer any relationship between them and the afore mention feline).
Mick
Frost* on Saturday night were top bollocks. Best gig in years.
The fact that we hung around at the end, (where did everyone go????), had some beers whilst slurring and blathering on at any band member that would listen, was just the Frost*ing on the cake. :D :D
Magenta were outstanding. Dan was on fine form at the end of the night. Perhaps due to JM sized quantities of red wine.
Jem, as I tried to point out on the night, if you don't completely fall over on your arse, with comedy sound effects, it wouldn't be a Frost* gig. That's part of the fun.
And did you get home on time and get the chicken????? ;) ;)
One last word: Hyperventilate: NICE 8-) 8-)
I guess a few folks need to lighten and stop taking things too seriously. FROST* never got where they are today by taking things too seriously.
I'd rather a band who enjoy themselves and pass that onto the audience in abundance than a note perfect sterile performance of an over rehearsed anal beat combo. ;)
Quote from: "johninblack"Agree totally Mick. I always find the performances where the band are obviously having a ball far more enjoyable than a dead pan emotionless one regardless of the musicianship and the rest of it and when a band such as Frost* come along that have fun and are top, blokes and top musicians I'll happily forgive the odd mess up. Considering the complexity of Jem's creations it's rather surprising that there aren't more but that's testament to the musicianship in Frost*? In terms of talent Frost* really are a supergroup or am I just being a fanboy?
Bert A bit you say........
A Bit...... did you not see the back of my numpty nuts head? A bit is an understatement :D :D :D !
I'm Sue and I'm a frost* FANGIRL!
I enjoy the fact that mistakes are made it is a sign that its live and real. People make mistakes all the time in life why would anyone want to go to a gig for it to be perfect, is that not a really boring experience? :o :o
I have seen Jem and the guys after several gigs where there were either a few fluffs or the sound wasn't right or something else went wrong and he gets very upset and is always apologising for different things.
IMHO there is no need. :D
I go to see Frost* for the experience and the enjoyment of meeting people and listening to some fantastic music if you have a problem with mistakes being made then stay at home and listen to the cd. ;)
Jem you and the guys can carry on as long as you come out to play I will keep coming to see you wherever and whenever I can afford to do so!
Quote from: "Big Black Shed"The fact that we hung around at the end, (where did everyone go????), had some beers whilst slurring and blathering on at any band member that would listen, was just the Frost*ing on the cake. :D :D
In answer to where did everyone go my friends off which there were 9 of us had booked taxi's back to our hotel for 11 not my choice by the way, so that's where we went.
Although this was probably a good thing as I'd already babbled incoherently at Jem, JM, JJJ, JJ (from Threshold) and Mr Poms from It Bites :lol:
I stayed and had a few words with Dec, Jem and Andy. But with a small person i tow who was buzzing to get home and tell his mum all about it, she was on strict orders to stay up till we got home, so we had to go. :(
Hope we get some more venues that let in "small" people as hes ready for more.
Quote from: "MrsJiB"Bert A bit you say........
A Bit...... did you not see the back of my numpty nuts head? A bit is an understatement :D :D :D !
Good point well made, Mrs JiB :D
Quote from: "Big Black Shed"One last word: Hyperventilate: NICE 8-) 8-)
LOL - exactly what I turned to my son and said. Definitely a Fast Show Jazz moment, in the best possible way.
Cheers
David
Thought you might like to see a few pictures of the evening.
The CRS pictures are here: //http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/album.php?aid=81229&id=816589347
The Frost* pictures are here: //http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/album.php?aid=81230&id=816589347
Enjoy! :)
Hi everyone
Sorry about the delay on this one as it's taken me longer than usual to get my photos from the CRS awards night posted on to Flickr.
Still, I hope that you'll all enjoy seeing them and for those who were there, that it brings back memories of a great evening.
Click this link to view them //http://www.flickr.com/photos/46719991@N00/sets/72157613207109422/detail/
Cheers
Phil
(//http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/7914/frost0274jx1.jpg)
roktog,
excellent pictures.
refreshing to see a GREAT camera's perspective on things.
thanks a million.
+1
OMG....you command light itself! :shock:
Simply stunning.
Would you mind saying which camera and lens you used for those?
Also can you recall the shutter, aperture and ISO that any one of those were taken at?
Thanks so much for sharing them.
Quote from: "Pedro"+1
OMG....you command light itself! :shock:
Simply stunning.
Would you mind saying which camera and lens you used for those?
Also can you recall the shutter, aperture and ISO that any one of those were taken at?
Thanks so much for sharing them.
A bit good ain't they!!
Many thanks for the comments :oops: , it's appreciated and I'm glad you enjoyed them.
Pedro, this was the first outing for my Canon EOS5D mkII, which replaces my mkI. The lens was the Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM.
ISO was 6400 and aperture priority was set at f/5.6 leaving the camera to sort out shutter speed. Fortunately, despite my age, my hands are still pretty steady! :)
(Hope this isn't too geeky for everyone else!)
Cheers
Phil
Stunning stuff. Think you were stood next to me for some of these. Brilliant stuff. Thought about taking my camera but as not CRS members we had to resort to my sons small cheap camera and it was too dark to use it except for the pics of him with Dec and Jem.
Quote from: "roktog"this was the first outing for my Canon EOS5D mkII, which replaces my mkI. The lens was the Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM.
When my very, very rich uncle pops his clogs and leaves me his stunningly outrageous fortune I'm gonna get me one of those.
Mr roktog, those photos are wonderful! I now want to go to a gig just to see if I can et some decent photos... ;)
And isn't Steve Hackett looking quite good for his age? That was a surprise!
Quote from: "Mouse"And isn't Steve Hackett looking quite good for his age? That was a surprise!
That's what getting divorced does for you... :lol: