Here's a poser for all you Frost* guys and all the muso frosties out there..................
If you play an instrument in a band, does your wife/girlfriend come along to gigs and/or listen to the music that you play?
Being a bassist, I love playing in the rock covers band that I'm in. We play a lot of crowd-pleaser stuff from bands/artists such as Bon Jovi, Whitesnake, Rainbow, Van Halen, Rod Stewart and Bryan Adams to name but a few. As they are well known songs my wife loves to listen to the band and get up and dance (sometimes).
However, the bands that I listen to at home/in the car are classic rock/prog rock bands like Frost* (of course), Rush, Porcupine Tree, Yes and The Who.
And guess what, my wife hates it all!!! She would prefer to listen to mainstream chart topping acts and <<SHUDDER>> boy bands!!!
If she is in the car and I stick on one of my favourite bands' CDs I get the usual, "Get that shit off and put the radio on!"
I just wonder if all muso widows, I mean, wives are the same as my beloved or do some actually have the same taste in music as your good selves?
I would really like to hear the thoughts of the Frost* members on this one (Jem, Dec, JM, JJ) and if you have any amusing stories about your WAGs' taste in music then please do share.
Thank you muchly.
Willie
well, while we don't agree on every bit of music, we do love our Frost* (and It Bites, and Touchstone!, and, and...)
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My wife is a Forum member and has seen Frost* live more times than I have. She has excellent taste in music. When I used to play in bands she mostly came along, liked most, disliked some.
My wife is my biggest fan and critic, she always came to gigs when she could, but always told you how it was ... she likes most of the music I listen to but not all, sadly she refers to Frost (I've only played her milliontown) as "widdley music" .. though she loved Snowman and BLM.
Quote from: "Dave M"...sadly she refers to Frost (I've only played her milliontown) as "widdley music"
I frequently get told to "Turn that widdley-widdley stuff off!"
She likes the cheesy rock covers that we play in The Garden of Edam (I really must sort out a website!), but is usually boy-sitting so rarely gets to see us.
I don't actually have a wife or a girlfriend, but I do take my husband along to occasional gigs. Maybe 1 or 2 a year. He's not really that into it, but generally tolerates the music that I play in the car and at home. I've taken my younger son along to a couple of gigs recently which he and I both enjoyed. My older son's keener on classical music.
In the days when I played in bands, my then boyfriend was a keen supporter and used to come along to every gig and act as roadie for us, which was nice.
Quote from: "RacingHippo"Quote from: "Dave M"...sadly she refers to Frost (I've only played her milliontown) as "widdley music"
I frequently get told to "Turn that widdley-widdley stuff off!"
My OH calls Jazz Rock, "Tinkly Tinkly toilet music"
She does, however, like most of the prog I play especially Camel, Genesis, Floyd. However if there is a very obvious out of the ordinary time signature going on it invariabley gets the thumbs down. She finds gigs too loud, hence my usual solo attendance at such events.
I'm really luck in that my wife loves music, plays keyboards, sings and likes (some) prog music - mostly It Bites and Frost*.
We play in 2 bands together - a covers band called Ten Feet Tall and Fushi (neo pop prog).
She does have her moments (some boy bands and other assorted pap pop) but she does also really like some more credible pop like Judie Tzuke, Go West, Level 42 and The Feeling.
My ex used to come and watch me play - pretty much saw every gig I did (which was something like 300 over the 4 years).
My wife never used to like prog, but now she doesnt listen to anything else and its all my fault, the car is always blasting mainly Arena/Frost/Riverside/Darwins Radio/IQ/Pink floyd :) Mind you I do throw some bands into the mix that she just cant get (Yes/ Marillion/ KIng Crimson) so guess I got more work to do.
Honestly though I dont know how she changed she used to be a Boy Band/pop sort of gal :) Not that there is nothing wrong with pop :)
Quote from: "Gman"she does also really like some more credible pop like Judie Tzuke, Go West, Level 42 and The Feeling.
Good taste, your missus.
Mine likes Queen, G'n'R, Joni Mitchell, Kate Bush, the wonderful Imogen, Sarah McLachan and a load of classical.
She'd listen to my Holdsworth, Wayne Krantz and Scott Henderson only at gunpoint; and she's not much better with prog.
When i played in a band years ago the then missus didn't bother and hated prog.
The current, as in the last 11 years, loves Frost* ,Floyd, It Bites, Kino, Marlllion, Genesis etc.
We've seen genesis, frost* and Marlliion together.
I'm a loner. No-one's ever been interested in me. Maybe one day I'll find a girl who loves Pink Floyd and David Gilmour's guitar solos as much as I do but, until then, I get to play whatever music I want whenever I want. 8-) :? :cry:
;)
Egads: what's going on around here? Second time today I've written a post, submitted it, have been pretty darn sure it's come up in the forum, but then *poof*, ten minutes later it's gone. And this one was a long one ... :( Anyway, one more time ...
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Chin up, Mouse: it'll (probably) happen. I'm sure there are a number of formerly spoddy, nerdy, geeky progfan types on here who've nevertheless ultimately been able to pass on their genes by mutual and loving consent. Well, at least one, I'm sure of ;)
Problem is, being a progfan is a pretty weird and wonderful modus operandum that only a very small fraction of the world subscribes to and that very naturally greatly reduces your cross-section for attractive interactions with someone like-minded of the opposite (or same, depending) gender who shares the same predilections.
Of course, knowing that it's just statistics hardly helps, but there are doubtless ways of increasing your interaction cross-section. That said, I'm sure that Nellie, Catherine, Sarah, and many others are far better qualified to give you hints in this regard, although I suspect that they might be more appropriately passed along via PMs or Nellie's beloved Twitter :D
As for my significant others, both my former and current wives have been positively disposed towards the widdly-widdly of prog, while having other strong musical leanings in addition. Wife 1 also had a thing for new-age and jazz, both of which leave me pretty cold, while WIfe 2 (who will kill me if she sees me writing about her in this manner :shock: ) has a love of classical and opera which I most avowedly share.
Gig-wise, I think I saw Pink Floyd at RFK Stadium in Washington, ABWH at Merriweather Post Pavilion, and Yes (Union) in San Diego with Wife 1, so fairly proggy, while with Wife 2, concerts have included Radiohead, Catatonia, Suede, REM, The Bangles, and Sigur Ros in Berlin, plus many classical concerts and operas, so not so proggy. But she's absolutely redeemed herself by having been at The Peel for Frost* last Christmas ... :D
And finally, as for playing in a band, nope, never have: I only wish I'd been given something else to learn to play at school other than a clarinet, which put me right off :( But I'd love to have time to learn piano, even at my advanced age: I like nothing more than mucking around with computer synth software making bizarre noises. One day I'll have to share ... :D
Quote from: "Mouse"I'm a loner. No-one's ever been interested in me. Maybe one day I'll find a girl who loves Pink Floyd and David Gilmour's guitar solos as much as I do but, until then, I get to play whatever music I want whenever I want. 8-) :? :cry:
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Lol! Hey mouse, join the club of lonely and pathetic prog lovers who really want a girlfriend but always get rejected based on our brilliant taste in music. :lol:
Quote from: "Bokkie"Quote from: "Mouse"I'm a loner. No-one's ever been interested in me. Maybe one day I'll find a girl who loves Pink Floyd and David Gilmour's guitar solos as much as I do but, until then, I get to play whatever music I want whenever I want. 8-) :? :cry:
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Lol! Hey mouse, join the club of lonely and pathetic prog lovers who really want a girlfriend but always get rejected based on our brilliant taste in music. :lol:
Yes! Come and join us for a progpint! :D
Looks like being one of the few "ladies who Prog" is a very good way of meeting chaps, but it doesn't work so well the other way round, given the gender ratio of the audience. Theo Travis (sax player in the Tangent) told me once that in between the bits that he plays in the songs he often counts the women in the audience and is lucky if he gets up to double figures! And most of those are dragged along protesting by their other halves - finding ones who go because they want to is really quite unusual.
I have heard tell that there are lots of women who go to Take That gigs... or who like clubbing...
Quote from: "Gandalf1986"Quote from: "Bokkie"Lol! Hey mouse, join the club of lonely and pathetic prog lovers who really want a girlfriend but always get rejected based on our brilliant taste in music. :lol:
Yes! Come and join us for a progpint! :D
We accept you, one of us! We accept you, one of us! Gooba gabba, gooba gabba... :twisted:
:lol:
my girlfriend doesnt really listen to any music so shes very suceptible to just listening to whatever i put on lol so she like sonata arctica frost and dream theater :D
she does have an annoying habit of refering to all music she likes as 'pretty' which is odd because its a thoroughly weird situation in which the crazy JMs krull bit from dear dead days is seen as pretty.
"Am I enough of a freak to be worth paying to see?" 8-)
I am most fortunate to be married to a woman who not only loves music, but loves rock and hard rock. Aerosmith, Slaughter and Skid Row are among her favorite bands. I am additionally fortunate that she likes almost everything I've introduced her to, be it prog or other. That said, she's not particularly keen about prog, but enjoys it in small doses. And there are exceptions to the rule - she's rather fond of Frost*, Jellyfish (if they count) and (believe it or not) Dream Theater, some Spock's Beard, as well.
My touring days had past before we met, but she attended many excruciating cover band shows in support of her guy.
What brilliant tales.
Keep 'em coming lads and lasses.
:mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Quote from: "catherine"or who like clubbing...
What is this "Clubbing" you speak of? It sounds violent! :D
Quote from: "Gandalf1986"Quote from: "Bokkie"Quote from: "Mouse"I'm a loner. No-one's ever been interested in me. Maybe one day I'll find a girl who loves Pink Floyd and David Gilmour's guitar solos as much as I do but, until then, I get to play whatever music I want whenever I want. 8-) :? :cry:
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Lol! Hey mouse, join the club of lonely and pathetic prog lovers who really want a girlfriend but always get rejected based on our brilliant taste in music. :lol:
Yes! Come and join us for a progpint! :D
When I was at school (a million years ago), my friend and I started the "Nobody ever fancies me" club. I can't remember whether a certain keyboard player was a member but I know for sure that his brother was and my brother and all of their friends. They were (and still are) progists but are now all married and some even have children :lol:
Enjoy yourself while you can!
Quote from: "Trapezium Artist"And finally, as for playing in a band, nope, never have: I only wish I'd been given something else to learn to play at school other than a clarinet, which put me right off :( But I'd love to have time to learn piano, even at my advanced age: I like nothing more than mucking around with computer synth software making bizarre noises. One day I'll have to share ... :D
Ohh yes, please do share. :D we all love to hear what Frosties get up to behind closed doors..
Ooops, that may not be a very appropriate thing to say considering the general topic :D
Quote from: "johninblack"Quote from: "catherine"or who like clubbing...
What is this "Clubbing" you speak of? It sounds violent! :D
I'm not sure really. I've never tried it myself. I think it involves drinking quite a lot of Bacardi Breezers and standing around in a crowded dark room with flashing lights and REALLY loud music with a 4/4 time signature. There's a chap (usually a chap) on a podium, who provides the music from CDs. Sometimes you have to wave your arms in the air and writhe around in time to the music.
A bit like going to The Peel, I suppose, only there you can drink a decent pint of Spitfire, there are real live musicians on the stage, and the time signature is rarely 4/4 for very long!
Quote from: "catherine"Quote from: "johninblack"Quote from: "catherine"or who like clubbing...
What is this "Clubbing" you speak of? It sounds violent! :D
I'm not sure really. I've never tried it myself. I think it involves drinking quite a lot of Bacardi Breezers and standing around in a crowded dark room with flashing lights and REALLY loud music with a 4/4 time signature. There's a chap (usually a chap) on a podium, who provides the music from CDs. Sometimes you have to wave your arms in the air and writhe around in time to the music.
Hmm, I remain rather unconvinced, Catherine: such a detailed knowledge of this primal mating event they call "clubbing" can surely only come from first-hand experience. Then again, since you didn't mention the little sweets they seem to have to eat as a necessary part of the experience, perhaps you are a clubbing virgin after all :D
I imagine, following JiB's lead, that the reason it is called "clubbing" is because in the ancient past, you'd choose your mate at a distance, walk over and club her senseless with a sabretooth tiger jawbone, then drag her back to your cave.
Now it seems as though mankind (and I say "man" deliberately) has evolved just a little, such that now clubbing involves pretending you're a peacock and attempting to stupefy your target into submission by strutting around in gaudy apparel and by making hypnotic arm, leg, and head motions vaguely in time with the 4/4. Of course, things still end up in a cave, or student bedsit as they're more politely known these days.
But Mouse, you're a progfan and thus far more imaginative and creative: I think you should eschew the simplistic peacock approach, and take your inspiration from the astonishing lyre bird:
//http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HatwDWfnkbA
Do watch the whole thing: it's well worth it :D
I can't figure out my boyfriend's musical taste but when you look through his iPod is the generic selection of pop/rock bands that I see on EVERY iPod, as if it comes standard to have these things on there. Chilli peppers, kaiser chiefs, foo fighters, that sorta thing.
While he doesn't have an explicit interest in prog, he doesn't nessecarily have the same depth in music as I do, to him it's something to sing along to (He likes Toys, I must add, even on my first EIMA listen I was making up words and noises to sing along :D)
He has come see me to perform in the various bands I've performed in but he has a phobia of crowds so getting him to these gigs is sometimes difficult. What is more important to me is that he listens to what I composes and is honest about it.
Yes my OH comes to pretty much all my cover band gigs, she's kind of drum roadie gal, as I like to set my own guitar amps and stuff (don't want anyone messing up the feng shui of the guitar pit!) and the drummer likes the extra help.
Also as we share a lot of similar tastes in bands and musical genre we pretty much always go to gigs together Frost* included!
Quote from: "SerFox"he listens to what I composes
Can I has cheezburger? :D
Quote from: "Geetar"Quote from: "SerFox"he listens to what I composes
Can I has cheezburger? :D
Oh dear xD I think coming from reading my lolcat book to here wasn't too great.
I'm going to leave that typo there just because it's rather amusing. :D I usually correct myself..
I read that as Pirate-speak rather than lolcat-speak!
*adopts strong pirate accent*
Arr, he listens to what I composes, that he do, me hearties! Har-harr! Shiver me timbers and pass the grog!
*reverts to normal with a bit of a struggle*
Mi timberz is shiverd alredy......
Quote from: "Trapezium Artist"But Mouse, you're a progfan and thus far more imaginative and creative: I think you should eschew the simplistic peacock approach, and take your inspiration from the astonishing lyre bird:
//http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HatwDWfnkbA
Do watch the whole thing: it's well worth it :D
What an amazing bird! So, following in it's style, all I have to do is walk around with a Mood synth and widdle away until success? I'd be up for it if someone could supply the Moog. 8-)
Anyways, I've already got me a bird. ;)
(//http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/whitni06/bird-hugs-mouse.jpg)
(Apologies: I know I've posted this before, but I couldn't find the original.)
Quote from: "Mouse"Quote from: "Trapezium Artist"But Mouse, you're a progfan and thus far more imaginative and creative: I think you should eschew the simplistic peacock approach, and take your inspiration from the astonishing lyre bird:
//http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HatwDWfnkbA
Do watch the whole thing: it's well worth it :D
What an amazing bird! So, following in it's style, all I have to do is walk around with a Mood synth and widdle away until success? I'd be up for it if someone could supply the Moog. 8-)
I think "widdly" as an adjective is perfectly ok in the current context, but "widdle" as a verb may well act to reduce rather than increase your chances :D
Then again, I hear tell that there are some people who like that kind of thing and knowing the internet, there's got to be at least a chance you'd find a group whose kick is performing synchronised golden showers in time to ELP's Pictures at an Exhibition :shock:
Moderators, help save the innocent... :lol:
Nonsense, this is a prog forum. We've all done....questionable things.
There are no innocents here.
Quote from: "Geetar"Nonsense, this is a prog forum. We've all done....questionable things.
There are no innocents here.
Oh, how right you are, Geetar; how
very right :D
After all, Mouse, if we older duffers can't offer you the fruits of our experience, there is surely little left for us. Soylent Green beckons ...
Quote from: "Trapezium Artist"Quote from: "Geetar"Nonsense, this is a prog forum. We've all done....questionable things.
There are no innocents here.
Oh, how right you are, Geetar; how very right :D
After all, Mouse, if we older duffers can't offer you the fruits of our experience, there is surely little left for us. Soylent Green beckons ...
You may consider yourself an "older duffer", TA, but I prefer to think of myself as young and vibrant!
And, to Geetar I say, "You may think so if you wish, but I couldn't possibly comment."
Quote from: "catherine"Quote from: "Trapezium Artist"Quote from: "Geetar"Nonsense, this is a prog forum. We've all done....questionable things.
There are no innocents here.
Oh, how right you are, Geetar; how very right :D
After all, Mouse, if we older duffers can't offer you the fruits of our experience, there is surely little left for us. Soylent Green beckons ...
You may consider yourself an "older duffer", TA, but I prefer to think of myself as young and vibrant!
And, to Geetar I say, "You may think so if you wish, but I couldn't possibly comment."
The words "consider" and "think" didn't play a part in my original words, Catherine: an older duffer is simply what I am :D
I'd love to
think otherwise, but I find it easier to exceed (my own) expectations if I start from reality and work backwards, rather than suffer the consequences of shattered illusions.
Besides, I quite like being an older duffer: Rick Wakeman is my role model :lol:
Quote from: "Trapezium Artist"Besides, I quite like being an older duffer: Rick Wakeman is my role model :lol:
Don't tell me: it's the sparkly capes that are the main appeal!
Quote from: "catherine"Quote from: "Trapezium Artist"Besides, I quite like being an older duffer: Rick Wakeman is my role model :lol:
Don't tell me: it's the sparkly capes that are the main appeal!
Actually, truth be told, today's reason would the second half of his live keyboard solo on Yessongs, which I've been listening to in the car for the first time in decades. The first half is cheesy, but the second half is brilliant.
My god, Yes were a fantastic live band back in the 70s: raw and yet precise, hungry and talented, completely in the moment but timeless. Reminded me once more why they've always been the definition of progressive music to me; after all, I first started listening to them in about 1973, at their peak.
Sorry, I digress: it's actually Rick's haircut, beard, and white suit combo from the front cover of Rhapsodies that I aspire to ;)
(//http://www.rwcc.com/graphics/disc/rhapso.jpg)
And the blue polo-neck sets it off beautifully!
Doesn't he look young in that one! (Still, we all looked a lot younger in 1979...)
Quote from: "catherine"And the blue polo-neck sets it off beautifully!
Doesn't he look young in that one! (Still, we all looked a lot younger in 1979...)
I was always fascinated (perhaps in a rather perverted way; I can barely remember) by the foil-wrapped people and animals on the cover too ... weird.
Younger in 1979? Oh yes. 'Twas the year I went to university and while moving house recently, I came across all of my university matriculation cards (as well as my cub scout membership card from the 1960s: I'm one hell of a pack rat).
Interesting (and mildly embarrassing) to see the evolution from clean-shaven (and somewhat spotty) despondent youth in year 1, to moustachioed bon viveur in year 2, to full-bearded wise man of the woods in year 3. I can barely believe that they're the same person, let alone that any of them were me :shock:
Sorry to keep banging on about ancient history, Mouse: for those of us that missed the 1960s, the 1970s were nevertheless special, albeit in a very different way. A different planet.
I guess the answer to everyone's woes is to try and meet someone at a gig of a band you really like!
I can thoroughly recommend this, although I didn't expect it to happen in approximately one million years... :D
my wife just smiles and says "yes dear, very nice"
Quote from: "Dec"my wife just smiles and says "yes dear, very nice"
and she's right!!
I wish everyone would stop going on about being old, it's making me feel younger than I am. :P I spent a year or two around 1997 thinking it was the 1960s (albeit an incredibly censored version :lol: ) and the next few post-millennium years thinking it was the 1980s (and so constantly feared nuclear destruction).
I might've wished I'd lived in those golden decades (maybe not the 80s ;) ), but recently I started to realise the present world is where I'm meant to be, so I better start trying to enjoy it. I'm a slow starter. :) (Hell, the family didn't even have a modern, copable computer until three years ago!)
Quote from: "Mouse"I wish everyone would stop going on about being old, it's making me feel younger than I am. :P I spent a year or two around 1997 thinking it was the 1960s (albeit an incredibly censored version :lol: ) and the next few post-millennium years thinking it was the 1980s (and so constantly feared nuclear destruction).
I might've wished I'd lived in those golden decades (maybe not the 80s ;) ), but recently I started to realise the present world is where I'm meant to be, so I better start trying to enjoy it. I'm a slow starter. :) (Hell, the family didn't even have a modern, copable computer until three years ago!)
My family didn't get a microwave oven until 2001 or 2002. However, we had computers throughout the 90s. Go figure.
If it's any age-consolation at all, I hardly remember anything of the 80s. How much of that is due to just being too young to remember things and how much of it's due to repressing hairstyles I can't say, but...
As far as the original idea of the thread goes I'm somewhat lacking in wives and girlfriends but at least the boyfriend seems to like the stuff I play him that he hasn't heard. At least he's liked Van der Graaf Generator and King Crimson. We'll see what happens when I introduce him to Magma.
Ah, Magma. Good music, but.........
According to Nick Monas, who toured with Stomu Yamashta, many questionable things happened on tour with Magma.
Wonderful word, "questionable", very evocative.
Mainly of things better left undisturbed by mere mortals.....
Quote from: "catherine"And the blue polo-neck sets it off beautifully!
Doesn't he look young in that one! (Still, we all looked a lot younger in 1979...)
Well I certainly did anyway as I was just a little nipper at 4 years old.
When I met my now Wife I was flicking through her LPs, yes it was that long ago, to really find out her musical tastes i found amongst lots of The Mission and All About Eve, she was a bit of a Goth, a copy of The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway. :shock: I'd never found prog in a girls record collection before.
She claims she doesn't like widdly-widdly prog, but she does like Jadis, Kino, Touchstone, It Bites, Magenta & Porcupine Tree, without knowing it. I'll put it on in the car and after about 10 miles she goes:
"What's this??"
And I go: "Why? Do you like it?"
And she goes: "It's one of your lot isn't it???"
And I go: "Result"
And she goes: :roll: :roll:
Quote from: "Big Black Shed"When I met my now Wife I was flicking through her LPs, yes it was that long ago, to really find out her musical tastes i found amongst lots of The Mission and All About Eve, she was a bit of a Goth, a copy of The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway. :shock: I'd never found prog in a girls record collection before.
She claims she doesn't like widdly-widdly prog, but she does like Jadis, Kino, Touchstone, It Bites, Magenta & Porcupine Tree, without knowing it. I'll put it on in the car and after about 10 miles she goes:
"What's this??"
And I go: "Why? Do you like it?"
And she goes: "It's one of your lot isn't it???"
And I go: "Result"
And she goes: :roll: :roll:
Thats almost exactly the same for me, but change the word "miles" with "metres" and at the end of "whats this?" add the word "shit" and you're spot on. ;)
Unattached dude here.. which is why I can go to so many gigs ;)
I've met a few nice & lovely ladies at prog shows, but none of them are ever single. The ratio of male to female at the gigs doesnt exactly work in my favor. I'll keep turning up at shows, though.. you never know who else might be there :D
Quote from: "landslug"Unattached dude here.. which is why I can go to so many gigs ;)
I've met a few nice & lovely ladies at prog shows, but none of them are ever single. The ratio of male to female at the gigs doesnt exactly work in my favor. I'll keep turning up at shows, though.. you never know who else might be there :D
The woman of your dreams perhaps?
Strange things are happening in our house at the moment, we all (Me, Sue & Sami) all have eclectic but different tastes that overlap here and there, yet we all seem to have the same favourite album ATM and you walk into any room in the house and you're likely to be hearing Avenged Sevenfold. The song "A Little Piece Of Heaven" in particular!
Quote from: "landslug"Unattached dude here.. which is why I can go to so many gigs ;)
I've met a few nice & lovely ladies at prog shows, but none of them are ever single. The ratio of male to female at the gigs doesnt exactly work in my favor. I'll keep turning up at shows, though.. you never know who else might be there :D
Well, to say it in your words:
Unattached girl here... which is why I can go to so many gigs...
I've met a few nice & handsome guys at prog shows, but none of them are ever single. Although the ratio of male to female at the gigs should work perfect for me... :lol: But I'll keep turning up at shows, too, because you never know...
As you see: It isn't easier on the other side... ;)
Frost*ified Apple logo, and female?
Why hullo thar! :mrgreen:
Quote from: "Progoholic"Quote from: "landslug"Unattached dude here.. which is why I can go to so many gigs ;)
I've met a few nice & lovely ladies at prog shows, but none of them are ever single. The ratio of male to female at the gigs doesnt exactly work in my favor. I'll keep turning up at shows, though.. you never know who else might be there :D
Well, to say it in your words:
Unattached girl here... which is why I can go to so many gigs...
I've met a few nice & handsome guys at prog shows, but none of them are ever single. Although the ratio of male to female at the gigs should work perfect for me... :lol: But I'll keep turning up at shows, too, because you never know...
As you see: It isn't easier on the other side... ;)
I spent roughly six years going to prog gigs as a single girl before actually bumping into a nice, single prog man I liked so I can relate. (:-P
It really isn't easy being a single woman at prog gigs, despite what one might think!
Perhaps the quality of blokes at prog gigs is lower than usual! :o
...
:cry:
Quote from: "Drarok"Perhaps the quality of blokes at prog gigs is lower than usual! :o
...
:cry:
Well, exCUse me ... !!! Where's your sense of solidarity with your fellow progmale, Drarok, for goodness sake?
But if we're playing divide and conquer here, then I can only regret that Progoholic and Philadelphia were never at a gig where I was ... 8-)
Or, since Philadelphia may well have been at The Peel last Christmas, at a gig where I was without my wife ... :lol:
(I know, I know, it's sad, very very sad how middle age can do these delusional things to you; Mouse, you have it all to look forward to).
Quote from: "Drarok"Perhaps the quality of blokes at prog gigs is lower than usual! :o
...
:cry:
I'm glad a bloke said that! ;)
I couldn't possibly comment, being a respectable married woman...
Quote from: "Trapezium Artist"(I know, I know, it's sad, very very sad how middle age can do these delusional things to you; Mouse, you have it all to look forward to).
I know I know, thanks for reminding me. :evil:
;)
I'm only a nipper, honest! (I'm 25 :P)
I did briefly talk to Philadelphia in Manchester, but unfortunately due to starting drinking at 12:55 pm on the way to the gig with MikeBass, I had trouble grasping the concept of a woman named Philadelphia being from anywhere except America! :lol:
That's one of the main problems with the men at prog gigs - they're always plastered!
It wasn't my fault! It was the hip flask's!
"Double southern comfrt and coke please, barkeep!
*top up to quad*
*fall about*"
Then after Spock's played, I was blinded by a spock-ee in a silver sequinned jacket. I certainly wasn't expecting that!
Also, it wasn't just the drink, I do have great difficultly picking voices out of background noise. I'm useless trying to converse at a gig anyhow.
Quote from: "Drarok"I'm only a nipper, honest! (I'm 25 :P)
I had trouble grasping the concept of a woman named Philadelphia being from anywhere except America! :lol:
You do know that's not her real name, but she is a doctor. ;)
Of course it's not her real name, but no, I didn't know she's a doctor.
A doctorate of something, or a practising medicine-er? :o
Quote from: "catherine"That's one of the main problems with the men at prog gigs - they're always plastered!
So we're not unattractive, just badly rendered? ;)
Do the punning skills come with time spent on the Frost* forums, there's some major punning on here!
Quote from: "Drarok"Do the punning skills come with time spent on the Frost* forums, there's some major punning on here!
there's a kernel of truth in that.
Quote from: "Drarok"I'm only a nipper, honest! (I'm 25 :P)
I did briefly talk to Philadelphia in Manchester, but unfortunately due to starting drinking at 12:55 pm on the way to the gig with MikeBass, I had trouble grasping the concept of a woman named Philadelphia being from anywhere except America! :lol:
But if you'd followed that train of thought just a little further, Drarok, you'd have realised that regardless which country Philadelphia comes from, she comes from The City of Love ... ;)
(Sorry, I've probably now added Philadelphia to the list of Shefrost*ies I've managed to insult on this forum. But that's me; equal opportunity agent provocateur :D )
(Yes, yes, I know it's The City of
Brotherly Love, but the joke wouldn't have worked at all then. Pedants :lol: )
Indeed.
"City of Love" is a Yes track, as any fule kno.
Quote from: "Geetar"Indeed.
"City of Love" is a Yes track, as any fule kno.
Hence my original confusication, speaketh the Yes fan :D
Of course, it being a Rabin-era track, it's s**t. How Jon Anderson could go from:
A seasoned witch could call you from the depths of your disgrace,
to rearrange your liver to the solid mental graceto
He young and tactile,
he ready for anything that is,
How they jive and jingle
They've read the book that givesin the space of just a decade is beyond me. The first is unintelligible but poetic; the latter is tripe.
I put it down to a lack of appropriate drugs the second time around 8-)
Quote from: "Trapezium Artist"Of course, it being a Rabin-era track, it's s**t.
It's an interesting question- whether I will get to you with the pruning shears first, or will John Mitchell beat me to it....
But let's charitably assume that you're not merely a purblind fan of the old git with the carpet and the increasingly wayward sense of where he is in any given musical phrase; in which case you were humourously referring to the increasingly opaque Mr. Anderson: I
never listen to
what the little fellow is singing- I always thought it was a load of bollocks anyway.
But
how he sings it is quite another matter.
Quote from: "Geetar"Quote from: "Trapezium Artist"Of course, it being a Rabin-era track, it's s**t.
It's an interesting question- whether I will get to you with the pruning shears first, or will John Mitchell beat me to it....
But let's charitably assume that you're not merely a purblind fan of the old git with the carpet and the increasingly wayward sense of where he is in any given musical phrase; in which case you were humourously referring to the increasingly opaque Mr. Anderson: I never listen to what the little fellow is singing- I always thought it was a load of bollocks anyway.
But how he sings it is quite another matter.
Err, not 100% sure I followed the semi-obscured line of reasoning there, Geetar: in particular, I'm confused about who the man with a rug is :?
But being a gentleman of a certain age, I cannot deny that I'm much more of a trooper than a generator; indeed, I'd go so far as to say that I'm a trooper first, a panther second, and a generator a fairly distant third. I have all the albums and have seen pretty much every tour since 1977, so I'm open-minded, but ultimately, Tales from Topographic Oceans versus Big Generator is absolutely no contest.
I do agree that it's much more important
how Little Jon sings than
what he sings, but I nevertheless feel that that is a principle that is easier to cleave to when he is indeed singing completely imcomprehensible bollocks, than when he's actually trying to make some kind of down-with-the-kids, right-on sense and fails. (One could make an analogy with Liz Fraser and the Cocteau Twins: once she started singing real words, it became less interesting).
This had already started by the time of Going for the One and Tormato (think Don't Kill The Whale), admittedly, but grew infinitely worse by the time of 90125, Big Generator, and Talk, once he and Yes had begun to respond to external musical imperatives rather than their own self-generated (sic) musical style, developed between The Yes Album and Relayer.
Admittedly, the extreme outcome of this was the execrable Teakbois from ABWH, so I do lay the blame more at Mr A's door than Mr R's, but I've somehow just never been convinced that Rabin-era Yes is really Yes. Of course, Mr R himself was famously sceptical about Cinema turning back into Yes when Mr A became re-involved, but there you go.
Let the flames begin ... :twisted:
Quote from: "Trapezium Artist"Err, not 100% sure I followed the semi-obscured line of reasoning there, Geetar: in particular, I'm confused about who the man with a rug is :?
Obscure- moi?
I'm referring to Steve Howe and his...ahem... magic carpet. Though, thinking about it for a minute, a "rug" would probably improve his appearance.
Careful, chaps - all this talk of Yes will have Tomskerous foaming at the mouth again! ;)
I'm still scarred for life from seeing Chris Squire in his leggings :shock: on the 2004 tour.
Quote from: "Geetar"Quote from: "Trapezium Artist"Err, not 100% sure I followed the semi-obscured line of reasoning there, Geetar: in particular, I'm confused about who the man with a rug is :?
Obscure- moi?
I'm referring to Steve Howe and his...ahem... magic carpet. Though, thinking about it for a minute, a "rug" would probably improve his appearance.
Ah, ok: with you now, Geetar (but I surely wasn't before :D )
No, I'm not a Steve-fan as a matter of anti-Rabin principle, but given his vital contributions to the core era I referred to previously (The Yes Album to Relayer, as well as GFTO and Tormato), I can't for a moment ignore him.
As I pointed out in another thread recently, I've been listening to Yessongs in the car of late and am just constantly amazed at what an outright rock band (all five of them) were back then. Stunning.
And as for Tomskerous' protestations about us debating The Old Guard of Progness as we approach the second decade of the twenty first century, bring it on, Catherine, bring it on. I'd be just as willing to debate Mahler, Schoenberg, Shostakovich, and Prokofiev as playing a vital role in music today, quite independent of whether they're 60, 70, or 100 years "out of date".
I mean, let's be clear: we're here because we share a love for the very here-and-now Frost*, but for me, older music can be absolutely timeless and just as relevant now as it ever was ... !
Sorry: couple of glasses of wine have been drunk (I'm with Tomskerous on that ;) ) which fire the passion :D
It's all good - just play nice! ;)
Quote from: "Pedro"It's all good - just play nice! ;)
Sorry, Pedro, you're right; apologies if I'm getting a little out-of-hand :( (sorry Tomskerous)
I certainly don't mean it in anything other than a strictly "amongst-friends" debate; I reckon I have pretty broad musical tastes (let me tell you of my loves for "Les Miserables", the "30 is a Dangerous Age, Cynthia" soundtrack, The Eple Trio, and the wonderful Peter Broderick one day :D ), and love talking about music as well as listening to it ...
Anyway, I shall take a deep breath ... :D
"no clowns"
Tormato holds a special place for me, as it and Fragile are the only two albums I can say I really know. my album purchasing habits were quite strange in high school.
while I now own other Yes albums (CTTE and TFTO), and enjoy them, they don't reach me in the same way that the other two do.
but I still say that Jon taught me to sing. along with Steve Walsh, and Steve Perry, and Brad Delp....
I don't suppose by any chance you can still hit the higher end of his range, can you rog?
I used to do (quite badly!) several of the higher voices in rock- JA, Geddy Lee etc -and I've lost what little quality I had over most of that range in the last ten years. To the major relief of most of my musical friends, I expect, I don't even try any more.
I was always amazed that, at their polar extremes, Jon Anderson and Brian Johnson could carry on singing as well as they did as long as they did. Ah, well: "Sick transit, Gloria Monday", as we used to say.
And if this kind of stuff isn't germane to music right now, as TA rightly states, I don't know what is....
Music is way down Mrs G's list of things to worry about. She's rather bemused by Frost. As indeed am I some days. :lol:
She goes on the premise of if she likes it, then it's ok. And again, I have to agree with her. Her musical taste is without any pretentions or snobbery. It's the correct and most stress free attitude to have about music I think.
She lived in the Caribbean for 5 years running her art company so she developed a taste for Reggae, Ska and Dancehall that's never really gone away. And I have to say, the sound systems on Antigua are a wonder to behold, it's deeply infectious stuff up close and loud.
There was one memorable one that used to drive up and down down Fort Road early on a Sunday morning at full chat, the sub bass was incredible. That was the signal to go and buy bread for brekka.
Sunday night Jump Ups at Shirley Heights with a few Wadadli's down me, having a bit of a bop with Mrs G. Ah, happy times... :D
Mrs P likes some prog...half the time she doesnt know who it is.She actually asked for It Bites Tall Ships to play in the car.She attended 3 prog gigs with me 1) GENESIS-KNEBWORTH spent most of the time going to the toilet as she was pregnant at the time.2)YES-EDINBURGH fell asleep during Close to the Edge.3)GENESIS WITH RAY GLASGOW seats next to the left hand side PA...all her bones/organs were in different places when the gig finished...she likes Imogen tho...dont think she will accompany me to Hackett/Porcupine tree gigs later this year.
Quote from: "Geetar"I don't suppose by any chance you can still hit the higher end of his range, can you rog?
gimme a couple of weeks singing the soprano parts for my middle-schoolers, and we'll see! 8-)
My range matches Jon Anderson's quite comfortably. I had a great "singalongaYes" session in the car on the way up to Yorkshire at the weekend, really giving it all I'd got with the Yes album (a personal favourite).
I did get some funny looks from other drivers, though...
Quote from: "Jem"Sunday night Jump Ups at Shirley Heights with a few Wadadli's down me, having a bit of a bop with Mrs G. Ah, happy times... :D
i'll second that .. I've been lucky enough to be there a few times now, there's nothing quite like watching the sun go down over English Harbour /Nelsons Dock Yard listening to a local band do their thing .. Reggae etc just makes perfect sense twhen you're there ... I got hooked on Barrington Levy after our honeymoon at Half Moon Bay Hotel .. where I was lucky enough to play beach cricket with non other than Viv Richards .. what a gent ... ahh the distant memories. :D :D
Quote from: "Dave M"Quote from: "Jem"Sunday night Jump Ups at Shirley Heights with a few Wadadli's down me, having a bit of a bop with Mrs G. Ah, happy times... :D
i'll second that .. I've been lucky enough to be there a few times now, there's nothing quite like watching the sun go down over English Harbour /Nelsons Dock Yard listening to a local band do their thing .. Reggae etc just makes perfect sense twhen you're there ... I got hooked on Barrington Levy after our honeymoon at Half Moon Bay Hotel .. where I was lucky enough to play beach cricket with non other than Viv Richards .. what a gent ... ahh the distant memories. :D :D
I see; that's why I've never been a big fan of reggae: haven't been to the Caribbean :D
Must be like Frascati wine, Guinness, or freshly caught mackerel: doesn't travel properly ...
Quote from: "Dave M"Quote from: "Jem"Sunday night Jump Ups at Shirley Heights with a few Wadadli's down me, having a bit of a bop with Mrs G. Ah, happy times... :D
i'll second that .. I've been lucky enough to be there a few times now, there's nothing quite like watching the sun go down over English Harbour /Nelsons Dock Yard listening to a local band do their thing .. Reggae etc just makes perfect sense twhen you're there ... I got hooked on Barrington Levy after our honeymoon at Half Moon Bay Hotel .. where I was lucky enough to play beach cricket with non other than Viv Richards .. what a gent ... ahh the distant memories. :D :D
Gosh, this sounds all surprisingly familiar - didn't realise there were so many Antiguan connections here! Mrs DS was actually born on Antigua (her dad was airport manager for BOAC) but she moved when her dad was posted elsewhere when she was 18 months old and had never returned. So I took her there as a surprise 40th birthday present - wonderful place! :D
Quote from: "Trapezium Artist"I see; that's why I've never been a big fan of reggae: haven't been to the Caribbean :D
Must be like Frascati wine, Guinness, or freshly caught mackerel: doesn't travel properly ...
Some does, some doesn't, I guess.
I saw Bob Marley in France in '80 at Toulon. He was already terminally ill by then, but he played what was one of the finest concerts I expect I'll ever attend. First encore iirc, solo with acoustic guitar, was "Redemption Song." Utterly effing brilliant.
My vocal range isn't all that broad (I can pull off a passable David Cassidy/Rick Springfield/Barry Manilow), but I've had some Jon Anderson/Brad Delp moments over the years -- most involving bikes, handrails and the occasional toddler skull.
Let's see... I like all Yes, but rate Rabin as a better guitarist over Howe (because he uses sounds other than the same bloody clean setting, is generally more imaginative and is content to stick to playing his guitar sections only on stage), my singing voice can reach the Anderson levels on a good day but I try to keep it more around the David Gilmour levels as it's more comfortable, and I saw The Wailers at GuilFest last month play a wonderful set which was absolutely brilliant and created a great vibe for the evening (which unfortunately for me involved falling horribly ill).
I think that ties everything up on this thread at my end. 8-)
Quote from: "Mouse"Let's see... I like all Yes, but rate Rabin as a better guitarist over Howe (because he uses sounds other than the same bloody clean setting, is generally more imaginative and is content to stick to playing his guitar sections only on stage), my singing voice can reach the Anderson levels on a good day but I try to keep it more around the David Gilmour levels as it's more comfortable, and I saw The Wailers at GuilFest last month play a wonderful set which was absolutely brilliant and created a great vibe for the evening (which unfortunately for me involved falling horribly ill).
I think that ties everything up on this thread at my end. 8-)
Sorry to re-open one part of it though, Mouse ... ;)
I'm not enough of a guitar aficionado to make a serious contribution to a debate on the relative playing talents of Howe and Rabin, that I'll admit, although my inner aural memory seems to insisting that Howe's sounds can be pretty varied.
And I reckon that Howe and Anderson wrote songs together were a lot more inventive and ground-breaking than Rabin's rather over-produced stuff which owes much more to conventional rock than progressive. That Rabin went on to become a film score composer speaks volumes, with works such as Con Air, Armageddon, and National Treasure as prima facie evidence.
But I will accept that Steve's solo albums can be a lot more folky and quirky (in the less than positive sense of the word) than I'd like (and his solo vocals, err, well), so perhaps he really did need Anderson, Squire, Wakeman, Bruford, White, Moraz, et al. to push him in the right direction.
Not sure my wife's a Yesfan at all though :(
I really like Howe and Rabin's work - both get some great sounds. I think Steve Howe gets greater emotional depth out of his guitar (Gates of Delirium, anybody?) and find his stuff generally more appealing, whereas Rabin's quite flashy but colder.
I do feel a sudden strange urge to go and listen to 90125 and Big Generator all over again though! And perhaps I'll give Talk another spin - that's one album that I haven't really got to grips with yet.
Funnily enough I've been giving 90125 a virtual spin today...must get out and buy Big Generator.
Find myself hitting the fwd button alot when Spotifying pre-Rabin Yes...guess I'm not a die hard progger! :D
I'd actually go for "Talk" before BG, but maybe that's just me.
I like Big Generator, especially "Shoot High", but I love "Talk." It's also rather sad, imo anyway, that it's the last work TR and JA ever did together.
And please indulge me if, for once, I am utterly blunt: whenever I hear criticism of Rabin as a "metal" guitarist, however well-intentioned it may be, I can't help but entertain the uncharitable notion that the person espousing aforementioned opinions is devoid of the necessary critical faculties to discern great musical synergy when they hear it.
Err, I didn't say "metal", did I? :?
I'm happy to characterise TR as progressive in a generic sense, but slightly more on the side of conventional rock than I've ever been entirely happy with. I also always had the feeling that his collaboration with JA was "TR writes a song, records the instruments, and tracks the vocals, then JA comes in to record overdubs, and TR overproduces", missing the clear magic of the earlier "blood on the floor over a diminished fifth, bits of tape razored and stuck together with sellotape, let's write a double album with just four tracks" insanity.
In any case, despite the evident Trooper / Generator divide here, I'm heartened by the over-arching sense we're on the same broader page of Yesfandom :D
Question: was Yes really Yes without JA? Weirdly enough, I'm a fan of Drama ahead of pretty much anything that came after it, so for me the answer must be a qualified yes (apologies).
Nah mate, wasn't you I was referring to :D ....though it's worth noting that "Talk" is a far more collaborative effort than many realise.
I'm still fighting an old battle with the Yesfans members who have their heads shoved resolutely up their assets.
And it's one of those battles that will only end when the universe eventually bows to the second law of thermodynamics, I fear.
Nice to see you're sending some praise to Talk Geetar, I always feel that it often gets overlooked. Might even be my favourite album they did with Rabin. The Calling is one of my favourite Yes tunes and Endless Dream is stupendous.
As for where I stand on the Trooper/Generator field, then I'm on neither - I'm a Yes fan. I like all Yes and would quite happily mix Close To The Edge with 90125 with Magnification without and recognise it all as the same band which has made excellent music for over 40 years. And for me, that goes for any other band which has gone through some kind of line-up change.
It's always the same, it's just a shame...
I appreciate Steve Howe's work, but I'm more of a hard rock guy, so I actually prefer Rabin (I love his "Can't Look Away" album). I think 90125 is a brilliant album. By making "hits," do you realize how many non-prog people got into Yes (new and old) because of that tour? I find myself in the minority when I praise the Union album, but I love the different line-ups sharing one album and think "Miracle Of Life" is one of several great songs on it.
Funny that a thread that's nominally about "Wives/girlfriends" ends up being 90% Yes.
In my experience with the subject matter, it's always been 90% "No" :roll:
Quote from: "RacingHippo"Funny that a thread that's nominally about "Wives/girlfriends" ends up being 90% Yes.
In my experience with the subject matter, it's always been 90% "No" :roll:
heh
well played, sir!
thinking more about it, as long as I ask ten times a day....
Your logic is flawed there, Rog. It'll still be "No" on at least 90% of the days, with a probable shift to "NO, and will you stop hassling me!" on day 2 and beyond.
Quote from: "catherine"Your logic is flawed there, Rog. It'll still be "No" on at least 90% of the days, with a probable shift to "NO, and will you stop hassling me!" on day 2 and beyond.
I knew there'd be a way around it...