Hi Jem,
I received your cd today and I am totally overwhelmed by the sheer creativity of this recording. So many details, ideas, surprises... Not that I didn´t expect that (watching your reports we were pretty much prepared :D ), but listening to the final product really blows my mind. I think it will take me some more days to "understand" and to see through all this complexity. Amazing!
But now to my question: Listening to new cds I love leafing through its booklets. I like the artwork of EIMA a lot, but I was wondering why there are neither lyrics nor credits or production details... Are there any reasons for this?
All the best,
Guido
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*********Visit my band´s webpage: www.someonesad.de********** (http://www.someonesad.de**********)
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Quote from: "esquerdinhas"Hi Jem,
I received your cd today
Guido, can you feel the waves of envy coming from here??
No lyrics?! Anyone who's been in the chat room knows I've mentioned multiple times in the past week that I can't wait to get my real copy so I can read the lyrics... what is this madness :(
Are you sure you got EIMA and not a boxed-set of "Lost" DVDs by mistake??
I was also very surprised I received the cd today as the 14th is the official release date, but apparently amazon.de sent it yesterday and now I am really: HAPPY!!!!!!!! :lol: I think I´ll spend the rest of the night watching the EIMA-dvd!!!
Quote from: "Pedro"Are you sure you got EIMA and not a boxed-set of "Lost" DVDs by mistake??
Why should that have lyrics?? ;)
Btw, just finished watching season 4 (in German) tonight. Awesome!! :shock: :D
Quote from: "ich_bin_besser"Quote from: "Pedro"Are you sure you got EIMA and not a boxed-set of "Lost" DVDs by mistake??
Why should that have lyrics?? ;)
Btw, just finished watching season 4 (in German) tonight. Awesome!! :shock: :D
You did order the German (with voice over) version of EIMA, did you? ;)
Quote from: "RWA"You did order the German (with voice over) version of EIMA, did you? ;)
That's pretty good.
I can't wait for the booklet, although it would have been cool to have the lyrics though. Still no complaints!
Did your cd had a booklet ?
Jess
I purchased the "special edition" with both cd and dvd and YES this version contains a booklet!
After 8 hours of NO-Frost (=sleep) I am listening to EIMA again and it seems to be getting better with ever listen! GREAT!
DO WANT!!!!
if we ordered from CRS rockshop, have the orders been dispatched does anyone know?
Quote from: "weezul"DO WANT!!!!
if we ordered from CRS rockshop, have the orders been dispatched does anyone know?
That's a nice question, and I think the answer is "PM TLD"! ;)
Quote from: "weezul"DO WANT!!!!
if we ordered from CRS rockshop, have the orders been dispatched does anyone know?
JJ mentioned in a thread yesterday that they had been working on getting out the orders to those furthest afield, hoping they would get there on time.
Quote from: "esquerdinhas"Hi Jem,
but I was wondering why there are neither lyrics nor credits or production details... Are there any reasons for this?
All the best,
Guido
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*********Visit my band´s webpage: http://www.someonesad.de********** (http://www.someonesad.de**********)
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Hello Guido,
The lyrics and the credits will be going up on the site in the next few days. As for not putting them on the album, no fancy reason really it's just that that's what everybody else does and I didn't want to do what everybody else does. ;)
Quote from: "Jem"The lyrics and the credits will be going up on the site in the next few days. As for not putting them on the album, no fancy reason really it's just that that's what everybody else does and I didn't want to do what everybody else does. ;)
Makes sense. Then again, putting actual music on the CD is SO 2007! :roll:
Quote from: "Jem"The lyrics and the credits will be going up on the site in the next few days. As for not putting them on the album, no fancy reason really it's just that that's what everybody else does and I didn't want to do what everybody else does. ;)
Jem, as much as I love you, I can't get behind this decision at all. Being different at the cost of convenience for people who like to just sit down behind a big stereo with nothing but the CD in hand and listen to the album in full... now whenever they miss a lyric they have to either forget about it or stop everything and hop on the website to find out what it really was. :?
You could always take the lyrics from the website, copy and paste them into a word processor, shrink them down until they're unreadable, then put them into the booklet with a glue stick.
Quote from: "gr8gonzo"You could always take the lyrics from the website, copy and paste them into a word processor, shrink them down until they're unreadable, then put them into the booklet with a glue stick.
actually, I see a thread where people share all the cool things they have done with the lyrics and other ancillary info!
pdf for the win!
Quote from: "vkamicht"Jem, as much as I love you, I can't get behind this decision at all. Being different at the cost of convenience for people who like to just sit down behind a big stereo with nothing but the CD in hand and listen to the album in full... now whenever they miss a lyric they have to either forget about it or stop everything and hop on the website to find out what it really was. :?
I'm not sure what I can say to that to be honest?
Quote from: "Jem"I'm not sure what I can say to that to be honest?
I suppose that's better than "Too fucking bad!" ;)
Don't have to say anything really, just throwing my opinion out there... I could be overreacting but hey, that's how I felt when I first read it. I'll certainly get over it.
Quote from: "vkamicht"Quote from: "Jem"I'm not sure what I can say to that to be honest?
I suppose that's better than "Too fucking bad!" ;)
:lol: :lol:
Yes, I suppose it is! :D :lol:
Listened to album, read (ha ha ha) the booklet which is a HUGE waste of paper...
Dissapointed by both to be honest...
Like the guys more than I like the new effort put it that way. Was a bit put off by the growing anti Trad prog feeling as time was going by too tbh. Yes... sometimes longer songs are necessary to really develop something but it can be done in shorter times I appreciate (Wedding day for example). I got the feeling that it became a 'lets see how unprog like we can make a prog album and sod people who like trad prog' attitude to be honest.
This sounds like something that day job produced to get prog linking in as much as possible in places. Vocally, though the vocals are great for a pop band and this... I dislike the harmonies ... quite a lot actually. Contrary to the criticisms that DPRP came out with about Milliontown, I liked the vocal style far better. This is no disrespect to Dec. He has a wonderful voice and he surely shines on different songs from other prop, pop, whatever he choses type... i just dont 'get' many of these. He contibutes well to a lot of the songs... I just dont get a lot of them. i was hoping that in the album environment many of them would work (never been a fan of EIMA apart from the instrumental section and didnt like the falling down vocals).
I like his voice on the ballad sections and tracks...
Its a bit like Collins Genesis in the growing aspect... I made myself like it.... I really wanted to. All in favour of new stuff, but much of this is just a step away from pop. Like Pocket Sun though... but would be stronger in a 'bigger' environment than EIMA provides.
Guess I'm only a frostie if we are in Milliontown and I must be one of those boring old Prog farts.
Love the guys who are great, love the talent, the new songs have convinced me that the affection for the others was a bit false. Very dissapointed by Dear Dead Days... I thought this would be the anchor for the album, but it feels bitty and incohesive.
Know this will irritate people and its still a great album of a certain ilk and it IS prog... and the guys are all brilliant performers and the songs written and executed brilliantly... Its just that bit too geared at the porcu tree/ it bites/ thoughtful 'pop' crowd to appeal to an old fart like me.
That booklet though.... What a waste!
Sorry... had to say it... know nobody will lose any sleep over my opinion but I'm a big mouth and had to give it.
Jem, I looked all over the website for the "Hobbits Bothered" counter and can't seem to find it. Was this an oversight?
As Jem has always said, if he created a milliontown 2 then he would have been slagged for that.
It is very different from Milliontown but then we have always known that and he has always made it clear that it would be.
It does not have that immediate BLM, Other Me, Mtown impact, but on repeated listening it gets better and better, the first time i played it i thought......ok?
Now i cannot stop playing it, might i suggest you give it a few more listens first?
Incidently i think DDD is brilliant, fav track by far.
Gedfaz since you dislike the vocals so much I'd be interested to hear what you think of the instrumental mix version as a whole. I get the feeling it'll sound a lot "proggier"... (though I personally love this album's vocals to death)
Yeah, If you don't like it you don't like it. No point in arguing that.
But I do believe you should give every album a fair chance by listening to it at least 5 times or so. I often experience music has to grow on me.
Just my 2 cents. Can't judge the thing yet. :)
Quote from: "RWA"Yeah, If you don't like it you don't like it. No point in arguing that.
But I do believe you should give every album a fair chance by listening to it at least 5 times or so. I often experience music has to grow on me.
x2...
That number sounds about right. Milliontown took about 5 spins before it hooked me, really. I know that's not the case for most people here, but we all have different tastes. EIMA was a first listen kinda deal for me... :D
Quote from: "RWA"Yeah, If you don't like it you don't like it. No point in arguing that.
But I do believe you should give every album a fair chance by listening to it at least 5 times or so. I often experience music has to grow on me.
Just my 2 cents. Can't judge the thing yet. :)
This is a very fair point... and I had heard 5 of the songs in full over and over again, stuck in my MP3 player before the album hit my cd player. I disliked Falling down enormously when I first heard it and was quite unimpressed by the title track. Loved Pocket sun and felt wonderland was a song of two halves. Liked the bits of Toys that I heard but I dont like the final version. loved the sections of dear dead days that were played in the blogs but think it is just bits stuck together on the album. I like Saline... Vocally lovely.. so tahts proof that I do like Decs vocals... its not about his ability at all.
Thanks to Jem we had all heard over 80% of this album. Maybe thats a bad thing I dont know... but I have loved the ride that he has given us and thats worthe the album price alone. But i feel grateful to have paid for the process and the company of guys who are very much alive... rather than the shiny disc that the whole thing produced.
Anyway peace to all eh....
Now if you dont mind, Frodo's got my tea ready....
Quote from: "vkamicht"Gedfaz since you dislike the vocals so much I'd be interested to hear what you think of the instrumental mix version as a whole. I get the feeling it'll sound a lot "proggier"... (though I personally love this album's vocals to death)
I was certainly excited when I found out there was an instrumental version... but again I have to say... its not about the vocal ability or talent and I think the vocals do fit these songs well... the harmony type things I dont like... Please dont see this as didding any band member because they are all brilliant.
Dec is superb as are all the others... It just doesnt work for stupid me!
Quote from: "gr8gonzo"Jem, I looked all over the website for the "Hobbits Bothered" counter and can't seem to find it. Was this an oversight?
Hilarious... and from somebody from a country with such an extensive Prog History.... not
Seriously, as I said, I'm not bothered by others opinions... and I do quite like some tracks off the IT BITES album ...excepting that hideous 'great disasters' track and I do like a lot of more modern prog... I'm just a bit dissapointed by this. Its not the length of the tracks... its how they fit together and how they progress.
Seriously thats fine I dont belong here because I sense the forum looks at things from a different viewpoint to mine and thats fine because musical taste is very personal...
Incidentally, i wish people would lose the whole hobbit/goblin stereotype about trad prog.. where the hell did that come from.... going back to the earlier days of prog, the only mention of elves or orcs or hobbits I have located is Bo Hannsons 'Magicians Hat', Did Genesis under Gabriel do songs about hobbits? did Yes do Hobbit Songs? Do anybody else do hobbit/LOR related songs...
By reinforcing the stereotype and dissing trad prog fans in that way you do the genre a disservice...
and by sucking up you do the same for yourself... Never been minded to do the same myself...
Jem/guys... You are all quality people and musicians ...prog on dudes :)
Oh and I wanted add one more thing, which I find quite interesting since you've mentioned vocal harmonies, and Falling Down in particular.
My dad is an "old prog hobbit" or whatever we're calling them, always listening to his 70s stuff and going on and on about how great it is. Every so often I'll give him a newer prog CD to listen to and he DOES listen to them, and usually doesn't say much negative about it. (For the record he said Milliontown sounded like Tool... I don't know how they compare because I haven't heard anything of Tool)
Anyway we were in the car and Falling Down came on, and at some point he said "This sounds like Yes...." I did a double take and said "What? It does?" And he said "Yeah, they do a lot of the vocal stuff like that."
I've only heard a couple Yes albums so I can't be too sure about that point, but hey, food for thought... :)
People hated the Lamb Lies Down on Broadway when it came out I seem to remember and while I'm not saying that EIMA is to be mentioned in the same breath as that masterpiece, I think it's important to remember that this album is designed to polarise people. Even the booklet! :lol:
There was always always going to be the "I'm very disappointed" thread and to be honest, I think that's part of the experiment. They're just some songs, I've never said this album will change your life, bring your ancestors back from the dead or make you rich. I just wrote an album and filmed it while I was doing it. The hype is just that, hype, so there will be some people that feel it's less than the sum of the parts. It's not my fault if some people have been over caught up with it.
I'm cool with that and thank you for your time up to this point.
However, I'm unapologetic about the music. I'm unapologetic about the artwork. I'm unapologetic about the Frost Reports and I'm still going to continue with it all. ;)
Quote from: "Jem"I'm still going to continue with it all. ;)
Permission to shout 'hurrah' in a stupidly loud voice sir?
Tool? Really? I don't see a similarity anywhere, to be honest. Tool is flat, stale, grumpy, and dark; while Frost to me is lively, colorful, energetic, and cheerful. Weird comparison. A similarity to Yes I can see, but not to Tool.
Jem, I will be thoroughly disappointed with the aerodynamics of this album if it doesn't fly here in the next day or two.
And nice avatar, Eppie dear.
Quote from: "Jem"People hated the Lamb Lies Down on Broadway when it came out I seem to remember and while I'm not saying that EIMA is to be mentioned in the same breath as that masterpiece, I think it's important to remember that this album is designed to polarise people. Even the booklet! :lol:
There was always always going to be the "I'm very disappointed" thread and to be honest, I think that's part of the experiment. They're just some songs, I've never said this album will change your life, bring your ancestors back from the dead or make you rich. I just wrote an album and filmed it while I was doing it. The hype is just that, hype, so there will be some people that feel it's less than the sum of the parts. It's not my fault if some people have been over caught up with it.
I'm cool with that and thank you for your time up to this point.
However, I'm unapologetic about the music. I'm unapologetic about the artwork. I'm unapologetic about the Frost Reports and I'm still going to continue with it all. ;)
That is a pretty cool answer.... and to be honest, the reason why I felt able to leave my opinion in the prescence of the band...
and certainly there should be no end to the updates or blogs... they were the best part of the whole experience....
If you apologised for the music then it would be a travesty. You ahve to do what feels right and I've never ever gone against that or stated you shouldnt... You have to be true to you or the whole thing just wouldnt work at all...
I'm just one grumpy voter thats all...
Quote from: "vkamicht"Oh and I wanted add one more thing, which I find quite interesting since you've mentioned vocal harmonies, and Falling Down in particular.
My dad is an "old prog hobbit" or whatever we're calling them, always listening to his 70s stuff and going on and on about how great it is. Every so often I'll give him a newer prog CD to listen to and he DOES listen to them, and usually doesn't say much negative about it. (For the record he said Milliontown sounded like Tool... I don't know how they compare because I haven't heard anything of Tool)
Anyway we were in the car and Falling Down came on, and at some point he said "This sounds like Yes...." I did a double take and said "What? It does?" And he said "Yeah, they do a lot of the vocal stuff like that."
I've only heard a couple Yes albums so I can't be too sure about that point, but hey, food for thought... :)
Maybe he's getting the 'light vocal thing' and they did use Chris Squire to do some horrible harmonies particularly later on... i can see some connection between the outro of Milliontown and parts of Total mass Retain... but little else.. All respect to your Dad but i dont hear Tool in there at all.... but maybe I dont know tool well enough... maybe I should? :)
Quote from: "Jem"People hated the Lamb Lies Down on Broadway when it came out I seem to remember and while I'm not saying that EIMA is to be mentioned in the same breath as that masterpiece, I think it's important to remember that this album is designed to polarise people. Even the booklet! :lol:
There was always always going to be the "I'm very disappointed" thread and to be honest, I think that's part of the experiment. They're just some songs, I've never said this album will change your life, bring your ancestors back from the dead or make you rich. I just wrote an album and filmed it while I was doing it. The hype is just that, hype, so there will be some people that feel it's less than the sum of the parts. It's not my fault if some people have been over caught up with it.
I'm cool with that and thank you for your time up to this point.
However, I'm unapologetic about the music. I'm unapologetic about the artwork. I'm unapologetic about the Frost Reports and I'm still going to continue with it all. ;)
It did take me quite some time to get into 'The Lamb' and I'm still not sure about much of side 2 'Chamber of 32 doors' particularly but its in my top 5 of all time now...
Hey.... you never know......
I can see why someone that loved Milliontown wouldn't necesarily love EIMA, it's a completely different album, as we knew it would be. I don't even see it as fitting in the Porcupine Tree or Oceansize "Indie-Prog" type vibe which is actually what I was expecting, nor does it fit into the It Bites / Kino "Prog-Pop" area.
It's basically not like anything I've ever heard which is credit to the guys. If anything, it sounds a bit like Darwin's Radio but that's probably a really stupid thing to say since Dec's vocals are one of the main differences in the sound since Milliontown.
Dear Dead Days and Falling Down are superb ( dare I call them a "suite" since they basically run into each other?) and the tracks I'm enjoying most at the moment. Saline is gorgeous, and Toys is a perfect little song if that doesn't sound derogatory.
Wonderland, Pocket Sun and EIMA I also love but I've been loving them for months so I can't help but skip them in favour of the new stuff which does the album a disservice. :(
I do completely know what you mean about 'bits stuck together' though, I think this is a result of having been given so much insight into the recording process and being allowed to hear little clips here and there so you can't help but go "oh, that's the bit from the blog!"
I've loved the ride with the video diaries, the myspace clips, the Tour CD, the gigs... it's been superb. I think next time around (there will be one right?!), I'll try and avoid it all and treat myself to the album completely afresh!
:D
You're right:
Quote from: "LivingForever"It's basically not like anything I've ever heard which is credit to the guys.
:D
So that makes it "progressive" in the strictest sense of the word?
I think so :)
Quote from: "Tricky"You're right:
Quote from: "LivingForever"It's basically not like anything I've ever heard which is credit to the guys.
:D
So that makes it "progressive" in the strictest sense of the word?
I think so :)
Well said that man!
Quote from: "Jem"However, I'm unapologetic about the music. I'm unapologetic about the artwork. I'm unapologetic about the Frost Reports and I'm still going to continue with it all. ;)
Even weller said, that man!
I like the really clever way that the * has been incorporated into the pictures.
Except for the first one, which is a bit blatant.
What do people mean no lyrics? The lyrics to the instrumental version are there in their entirety, aren't they??
Quote from: "Tricky"You're right:
Quote from: "LivingForever"It's basically not like anything I've ever heard which is credit to the guys.
:D
So that makes it "progressive" in the strictest sense of the word?
I think so :)
You're damn right!
The album gets better every play, by the way (and I am trying to listen to it all instead of just what's new to me!)
James
Quote from: "Gedfaz"Quote from: "gr8gonzo"Jem, I looked all over the website for the "Hobbits Bothered" counter and can't seem to find it. Was this an oversight?
Hilarious... and from somebody from a country with such an extensive Prog History.... not
Seriously, as I said, I'm not bothered by others opinions... and I do quite like some tracks off the IT BITES album ...excepting that hideous 'great disasters' track and I do like a lot of more modern prog... I'm just a bit dissapointed by this. Its not the length of the tracks... its how they fit together and how they progress.
Seriously thats fine I dont belong here because I sense the forum looks at things from a different viewpoint to mine and thats fine because musical taste is very personal...
Incidentally, i wish people would lose the whole hobbit/goblin stereotype about trad prog.. where the hell did that come from.... going back to the earlier days of prog, the only mention of elves or orcs or hobbits I have located is Bo Hannsons 'Magicians Hat', Did Genesis under Gabriel do songs about hobbits? did Yes do Hobbit Songs? Do anybody else do hobbit/LOR related songs...
By reinforcing the stereotype and dissing trad prog fans in that way you do the genre a disservice...
and by sucking up you do the same for yourself... Never been minded to do the same myself...
Jem/guys... You are all quality people and musicians ...prog on dudes :)
Ged, I assure you my comment was only meant in jest - an attempt at humor that failed miserably. I certainly meant no disrespect. I take no issue with your view of EIMA, nor any other musical opinion. I respect that not everyone likes the same things, as I believe the vast majority of Frost*ies do. To each his/her own, etc, etc.
I'm not a proper prog fan, tbh. I'm actually more into rock and I suppose that's one reason I enjoy Frost* as much as I do. I view Frost* as more of a rock band with elements of pop and prog, which I find refreshing. If EIMA doesn't do it for you, that's fine. It is, after all, an experiment in mass appeal, which seems evident in its more mainstream leanings. There are bands I love that put out albums I hate
(King's X - "Ear Candy"). Just the way it goes sometimes.
I appreciate Jem's response, as well. I wouldn't want him to compromise his artistic vision in an attempt to appease everyone. It's restrictive, not to mention impossible. I look forward to his future releases, whatever they may be.
And I certainly hope you don't feel any less welcome in this forum. If we all shared the same opinion on everything, it'd be pretty boring around here.
Cheers.
Quote from: "Wickerman"What do people mean no lyrics? The lyrics to the instrumental version are there in their entirety, aren't they??
:mrgreen:
To me FROST* sounds just like a million biscuits flying through the air at maximum velocity
whizzing by you and pleasantly into your favorite beverage. :mrgreen:
Quote from: "EVP"To me FROST* sounds just like a million biscuits flying through the air at maximum velocity whizzing by you and pleasantly into your favorite beverage. :mrgreen:
Hell's teeth! Weapons of Mass Dunking....ready to go in a little over 55 minutes! :shock:
Now, these are weapons I like! Preparing for launch immediately! Unfortunately, I do not currently have any biscuits. I may have to improvise once I reach the kitchen. But if it's good enough for MacGyver it's good enough for me!
Quote from: "RWA"Yeah, If you don't like it you don't like it. No point in arguing that.
But I do believe you should give every album a fair chance by listening to it at least 5 times or so. I often experience music has to grow on me.
Just my 2 cents. Can't judge the thing yet. :)
Absolutely spot on!
Quote from: "Pedro"Quote from: "EVP"To me FROST* sounds just like a million biscuits flying through the air at maximum velocity whizzing by you and pleasantly into your favorite beverage. :mrgreen:
Hell's teeth! Weapons of Mass Dunking....ready to go in a little over 55 minutes! :shock:
I can hear them coming from across the Atlantic as I type.
ETA for upstate NY is approximately 2 days,17 hours,54 minutes,and 1.555 seconds.
Quote from: "EVP"Quote from: "Pedro"Quote from: "EVP"To me FROST* sounds just like a million biscuits flying through the air at maximum velocity whizzing by you and pleasantly into your favorite beverage. :mrgreen:
Hell's teeth! Weapons of Mass Dunking....ready to go in a little over 55 minutes! :shock:
I can hear them coming from across the Atlantic as I type.
ETA for upstate NY is approximately 2 days,17 hours,54 minutes,and 1.555 seconds.
Coming across the atlantic eh......... Must be Water Biscuits then....
I'll get my coat... :(
I like both albums, but then I'm easily pleased ( just see any of my ex-girlfriends for reference ) :roll: :shock: :lol: :lol: I saw Steps in concert, 4 times, so what do I know?!?!!??!
Quote from: "Cptncanary"I saw Steps in concert, 4 times
Do you need a hug?
Quote from: "Philadelphia"Quote from: "Cptncanary"I saw Steps in concert, 4 times
Do you need a hug?
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: Yes :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
My two penneth...
EIMA is totally a prog album. The arrangements are non pop arrangements in many cases, There are lots of odd times amd weird harmonies and rhythms, The lyrics (in some cases) are about time travellling etc. There are lots of solos. Most of the tracks break the 3 1/2 min barrier and I think the stuff is harder to play than anything off Milliontown...
I also think we have all contributed far more to this one as a band too. I know Jem has really considered what his objectives were for this album and I think he has entirely achieved them. This time you really are hearing a band that has gigged together and is now a unit.
But Jem has not made a prog, or neo prog or indie prog album. He has used all the techiques and approaches used in prog to create something new. (let's call this 'non-regressive rock')
What this album doesn't have is the surface cliches that denote prog.
Those who want to hear those should check out bands early genesis or yes. (or even better, the mighty Gentle Giant)
Also reading some of these posts I can't help but think that Jem is the artist, and he has made a statement which means something. He doesn't need to explain why the booklet has no lyrics. It may not be what some expected but there is a reason for it and it would be great to read a discussion as to why people think he has done so, or for that matter why the album contains the themes and ideas it does...
I love art I do, it makes you think and sometimes it can make us re-evaluate what with consider 'good' to be and THAT can only be a good thing............
Quote from: "RWA"Can't judge the thing yet. :)
Neither can I
What I can't judge is what the *voices* are saying - I can't even determine whether they are backwards or forwards :shock:
I'm someone with better ears will figure it out in time! :D
Is the Morse Code backward?
Quote from: "gr8gonzo"Is the Morse Code backward?
I've not spotted the morse yet - but the bit I'm on about is not morse, just quiet, confused and a bit random (rather like me in fact :D)
Quote from: "James_S"I've not spotted the morse yet...
What!? Is Neal Morse on this album? :mrgreen:
Quote from: "Tommieeee"Quote from: "James_S"Quote from: "gr8gonzo"Is the Morse Code backward?
I've not spotted the morse yet...
What!? Is Neal Morse on this album? :mrgreen:
No, Inspector Morse - its all set in Oxford!
I've tried to decode this a couple of times but I can't get it to make sense backwards or forwards. I'm beginning to think it is just a very nice pattern. :)
Quote from: "Pedro"I've tried to decode this a couple of times but I can't get it to make sense backwards or forwards. I'm beginning to think it is just a very nice pattern. :)
Keep at it - we are counting on you :D
There's almost definitely words in the really quiet, distorted bit before secret song, but I can't work it out! :( :( :( :(
Quote from: "Jem"The lyrics and the credits will be going up on the site in the next few days.
So................ where are they? :D
Quote from: "vkamicht"Quote from: "Jem"The lyrics and the credits will be going up on the site in the next few days.
So................ where are they? :D
I was wondering that... I'm so bored being off work sick that I have nearly started trying to transcribe them myself, but then it would probably yield results rather like my signature so I'll probably leave it.
Got my copy (pre-ordered from CRS, too, so the system really will work eventually! Cool...)
Flicked through the booklet, and loved the photos - but showed my lad who's just turned 15 and is a huge Frostie*. I said there were no credits or lyrics, but just pictures with stuff in, and he said:
"Oh cool, I love it when bands do that"
So there you go. I wasn't bothered either way, but the hip and with-it generation who are actually bothered about what's cool are giving Jem's decision about the booklet a big thumbs-up!
Me and the kid are also chuffed to have tickets for the BOTY gig in January - we've not been to a CRS gig before, so are a bit anxious in case we are less nerdy / more nerdy / equally nerdy compared to the regulars!
Cheers
David
Ya know... I actually like not knowing the lyrics to albums...
It's more fun that way. Then you get to figure them out later and you're shocked!
I've been wanting to comment on this for a while now, but only got activated for the forum today.
I can completely empathise with the cover scenario - both the desire to do something different, and having to bear the consequences of having people who don't buy in to your vision.
Anyone who grabbed one of the first run of T3E CDs will be aware that we tried something out of the ordinary on the booklet. It's translucent plastic, with the lyrics printed on it in little near-illegible strips of dark ink which combine to create the big letters "T3E" on the front. It was dreamed up by our drummer (who is an art director by day). The general idea was that it was a metaphor for the way we wrote the songs and put the album together. It has this overall form to it on first glance, but if you look closer you can discern details and things that weren't immediately obvious. The cover art, like the music (we hope!) rewards closer scrutiny.
We had one particular guy (on the internet, naturally) who loved the music, even applauded the notion of "something different" for the artwork, but his overall stance was "I'm a graphic designer by trade, and I'm telling you as fact that it was a failed experiment. The idea of graphic design is to please the eye and convey information clearly, and this doesn't do that".
He was sort of right... Knotty (the aforementioned drummer/art director) knows that as well, as evidenced by his quite successful daytime career producing advertisements, annual reports and all manner of other mundane yet eye-pleasing documents. The thing is, this wasn't his day job, he didn't have a corporate client to please with a non-controversial, middle of the road result, and none of us really gave a toss about "effectively conveying information". It wasn't graphic design so much as it was art. And yes that a bit highfalutin and pretentious perhaps... but I'm cool with that :)
Ahh, see now I've got to the end and realised I had no point...
On the contrary. The point is you went for art over convention and some out there "got it" and others didn't. Trying something different is always preferable to conformity, lest ye risk being unremarkable.
Quote from: "Dodie"Me and the kid are also chuffed to have tickets for the BOTY gig in January - we've not been to a CRS gig before, so are a bit anxious in case we are less nerdy / more nerdy / equally nerdy compared to the regulars!
Don't worry, there'll be plenty of us nerds there :D