I promise to not write a book in asking one simple question.... Has Jem shared any of the ELP cover song he was going to do?? Fanfare for the Common Man??? I get light headed just thinking what he might do in such a rendition! lol If it exists, please share. If you haven't completed it yet Jem, please do.... :) In your "spare" time of course!
Warm Regards,
Tony Geron
Reacting as I do on the off-chance that the boss might not pop back in for a few days, the Fanfare cover has been done for a week or three. It was submitted to the magazine, who apparently liked it, and it is due to hit newstands in the UK in 6 days time.
I've not heard it yet and I don't know of anyone outside the band who has.
Exactly what will happen to it after the mag is on sale I don't know.
Hopefully it will find a way to get to folk who can't buy the mag somehow....after a suitable amount of time(?)
Jem also stated he's got two Frost* Reports ready to go, but holding off until the mag comes out as they have chunks of Fanfare in them.
Does anyone in the UK know if it will be available at WH Smiths, or will I have to go somewhere else? :?
They did have some distribution issue initially, but I think most reasonably sized WHSmith's will stock it
NB - Other newsagents are also available...........................
Quote from: "Mooncat"They did have some distribution issue initially, but I think most reasonably sized WHSmith's will stock it
NB - Other newsagents are also available...........................
YAY! :D
I missed something here.... wouldn't be the 1st time!! LOL Errr, what magazine will have this song? :)
Quote from: "geront"I missed something here.... wouldn't be the 1st time!! LOL Errr, what magazine will have this song? :)
Classic Rock Presents Prog
Quote from: "Mooncat"They did have some distribution issue initially, but I think most reasonably sized WHSmith's will stock it
NB - Other newsagents are also available...........................
have purchased all my copies from WHSmiffs and they always have plenty for sale. definately the place to go
Quote from: "geront"I missed something here.... wouldn't be the 1st time!! LOL Errr, what magazine will have this song? :)
Classic Rock Presents Prog
The subject of overseas availability came up on the ELP forum Mrs One runs and she had a look into this and her answer there is:
QuoteThe fine print says that for a single issue (non-subscription) from non-UK or non-EU, they only accept telephone order: +44 (0) 1604 251 045
Quote from: "davejd"Quote from: "Mooncat"They did have some distribution issue initially, but I think most reasonably sized WHSmith's will stock it
NB - Other newsagents are also available...........................
have purchased all my copies from WHSmiffs and they always have plenty for sale. definately the place to go
Frost*- available at all good newsagents! :D
QuoteFrost*- available at all good newsagents! :D
And some rubbish ones as well................... ;)
Asda and Morrison's supermarkets too.
Quote from: "Pedro"It was submitted to the magazine, who apparently liked it, and it is due to hit newstands in the UK in 6 days time.
Liked it??!! Last I heard it was the lead track on the cd!! :P
It IS quite unhinged though so be prepared for a challenge or two... ;)
Quote from: "Jem"Quote from: "Pedro"It was submitted to the magazine, who apparently liked it, and it is due to hit newstands in the UK in 6 days time.
Liked it??!! Last I heard it was the lead track on the cd!! :P
It IS quite unhinged though so be prepared for a challenge or two... ;)
Can't wait. :)
You and me both, Pedders.
It's the repeated use of that word "unhinged" that whets my appetite so...
Thank you for spelling 'whets' correctly. Hate to have to file a complaint. ;)
well, I am right whetted, but is it going to be available other than the magazine? please?
/whine over
Just heard that the CD will NOT be with the next issue.
Contractural problems....apparently.
Just another knob-up in the ELP PR machine?
Quote from: "Pedro"Just heard that the CD will NOT be with the next issue.
Contractural problems....apparently.
Just another knob-up in the ELP PR machine?
Or even contractual ones... (she adds, pedantically)
What a pain! I was so looking forward to a bit of unhingement.
Quote from: "Pedro"Just heard that the CD will NOT be with the next issue.
Contractural problems....apparently.
Just another knob-up in the ELP PR machine?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :cry: :x
Oh poo!
This is why I dislike most 70's prog. All that's left of that golden era are a bunch of 35 year old lawyers arguing with each other about rights and money. Meanwhile it's the public that lose out. It's pathetic.
I really feel for the guys at Classic Rock, they've spent a load of money on this and bent over backwards to try and make it work with the absolute best intentions at the centre of it. I've just lost a week's hard work, no big deal really, they've just lost a good few month's worth.
With regard to my bit of this whole saga, the Copland Estate have made it clear that I am not allowed to release Frost's version of Fanfare at any time ever. Ever. And this goes for the Frost Reports too. A combined 26 minutes of world class Frosty goodness that I'm also not allowed to play anybody at any time in perpetuity.
So that's nice. :evil:
My apologies to everybody who was looking forward to it, but I can't do anything about it. If you see Jerry and any of the guys and gals of Classic Rock Presents...at High Voltage, make sure to give 'em a hug and thank them for their time and effort on trying to make this whole thing happen, they'll really appreciate it. They were so excited about it and now they're absolutely gutted and I totally feel for them.
That's such a shame Jem was really looking forward to hearing what unhinged madness you'd unleashed on fanfare, feel sorry for everyone who's put time and effort into this project to see it go to waste :x
Aww shit :( Maybe something will happen in future that resolves the issues...
Not to worry though, we all still appreciate the work that went in from all parties (excluding certain lawyers). Besides, it wouldn't be Frost* release without a third party putting a spanner in it, now would it :P
Even if this never sees the light of day, at least this didn't happen: :shock:
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Quote from: "Jem"With regard to my bit of this whole saga, the Copland Estate have made it clear that I am not allowed to release Frost's version of Fanfare at any time ever. Ever.
Well, what a bunch of utter, utter twats.
That's proper gutting that. How's about playing it live on December 3rd? We'll all promise to keep really quiet about it...honest!
Aw, dammit! :cry:
I feel for everybody that was involved, it truly does suck.
I never dreamed, in my worst nightmare, that my very first question to this forum and Jem, would be answered thus.... 9/11, the Hindenburg, the Gulf of Mexico catastrophe, none hold a candle to this! Please, please, tell me this is a cruel, horrid joke???
Please?
In an alternate Universe, quietly, in the stealth of night, a frightened yet determined Yankee crawls through shrubs and pickets, enters the sacred chambers of Sir Godfrey, and liberates the non-existing Fanfare for the Common Man audio and video recordings, leaving naught a whisper or note.... Within two days in this alternate Universe, suddenly, anonymously of course, the internet is flooded with these non-existing recordings, the shocking disappearance having been relayed to the authorities and lawyers, now was unleashed upon the unsuspecting public, who eagerly copied and distributed it, impassioned by their heart felt love of the non-existing recordings, and only too eager to send a wiggly wanker hand sign to those who would suppress genius, freedom, and the listening rights of countless billions. Countless billions I say! Regrettably, and much to the dismay of said authorities and lawyers, the non-existent recordings went viral. Starving children in Darfur saw bundles descending from the sky, a vivid black asterick appearing symbol, burned into the bottom of their life saving food and supply drop crates, an eerie premonition of the consumable CD's enclosed in said crates, brandishing the very same black asterick appearing symbol.... New published photos released by NASA from the latest Mars orbiting satellite show the appearance of an visibly raised monolith, a dark and royal blue light, glowing around it's familiar asterick symbol appearance... Unexplained crowds gathered in the streets, stomping their feet in rhythm, their voices mingling to be as one, the simple line of song, repeated over and over again.... "You are all liars!"
Forgive my grief, tis almost overwhelming, I must say... :( I'm truly sorry Jem that your efforts will not receive the rave appreciation it would easily garner from this.
Tony
Quote from: "Jem"This is why I dislike most 70's prog. All that's left of that golden era are a bunch of 35 year old lawyers arguing with each other about rights and money. Meanwhile it's the public that lose out. It's pathetic.
I really feel for the guys at Classic Rock, they've spent a load of money on this and bent over backwards to try and make it work with the absolute best intentions at the centre of it. I've just lost a week's hard work, no big deal really, they've just lost a good few month's worth.
With regard to my bit of this whole saga, the Copland Estate have made it clear that I am not allowed to release Frost's version of Fanfare at any time ever. Ever. And this goes for the Frost Reports too. A combined 26 minutes of world class Frosty goodness that I'm also not allowed to play anybody at any time in perpetuity.
So that's nice. :evil:
My apologies to everybody who was looking forward to it, but I can't do anything about it. If you see Jerry and any of the guys and gals of Classic Rock Presents...at High Voltage, make sure to give 'em a hug and thank them for their time and effort on trying to make this whole thing happen, they'll really appreciate it. They were so excited about it and now they're absolutely gutted and I totally feel for them.
God. So much red tape. The industry is completely backward in places, I swear. It's a bit of a puzzle to try and fit rights to music in the first place, it's like trying to bottle an idea - even hard now that it's commonplace to rip CDs to computer. People make copies of them all the time. But that takes the cake. I can't understand what could possibly motivate them.
Well, no. I know exactly what would motivate them, they're probably a bit strapped for cash. Still. Thoroughly sad.
...Wouldn't it be a shame if it leaked?
(I know, I know! I'm kidding of course, it's not worth the trouble. But if a masked man came into your house and leaked it onto the internet before disappearing in a puff of hazy identity... well that'd just be tragic.)
If anyone sees Shirley, please give her this message:
"Shirley, there must be some way to extract or alter the recognizable parts of Frost*Fare, retitle it and unleash it without legal issue."
You'd think the suits would have agreed on rights and stuff before recruiting artists for the project. Funk in ashes.
Interesting that the Copland Estate took no issue with the SEVEN dance remixes of Fanfare released in 2003 and again in 2007 (//http://www.amazon.com/Emerson-Lake-Palmer-Reworks-Perjury/dp/B000TPTJUI).
Judge: Sustained!
Council: I'm sorry your honour, I will rephrase.
Mr. Godfrey, you say this was an ordinary burglary....but, I put it to you that no ordinary burglar would steal only a single USB memory stick and replace it with a packet of Bourbons and a bottle of Port....
My initial reaction to this whole disappointment was a little unfair.
Grabbing the pitch-forks and storming the offices of CRPP was a little hasty it seems. :oops:
Quote from: "Pedro"Judge: Sustained!
Council: I'm sorry your honour, I will rephrase.
Mr. Godfrey, you say this was an ordinary burglary....but, I put it to you that no ordinary burglar would steal only a single USB memory stick and replace it with a packet of Bourbons and a bottle of Port....
Well, no, 'course not.
What kind of burglar would give up
bourbons?! They're like sturdy little bricks of obesity - but LOVELY. Putting a bit of weight on never tasted so good.
Used to go through entire packets in a day. Lush. :D
Bollocks :twisted:
Quote from: "Bert"Bollocks :twisted:
well said sir :lol:
:evil: GRRRRR!!!! BUGGER! ARSE CHEESE!
BTW, I was just wondering how Jem managed to release Here Is The News for free download through the old toys section of the site, but he's not allowed to release this?! :?
Crap!
Maybe somebody could "leak" it. :twisted:
wow. truly and duly bummed. while I understand the Copland estate doing their best to protect the Copland heritage, this is just foolish. I am quite sure Mr. Copland wouldn't mind.
How dare Jem try to expose more people to Mr. Copland's music?!
Quote from: "gr8gonzo"How dare Jem try to expose more people to Mr. Copland's music?!
perzackly
If I understand the Copyright Term Extension Act correctly; then we'll be able to hear Frost*fare for the Common Man in 2037 - 95 years after its original publication.
//http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Term_Extension_Act
I'm looking forward to that! :)
Catching up I've just opened this thread and can not believe what I've been reading. I didn't open it before because I was just waiting for the big release. Jem working over one of my fave tracks was something to get very excited about and I certainly didn't want any spoilers. Now I've just read the biggest spoiler ever. OH BUM! :cry:
Yep, once again the lawyers ruin it for everyone.
It's true what they say, 99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name..................
Just to clarify, are the legal issues completely unresolvable, or just enough to put the cd back another month? What I mean is - is it the track itself that can't ever be released, or just the Frost* Reports?
Oh cock. This mirrors exactly what ELP went through with the Copland Estate to originally do Fanfare. They seem to be a right load of tossers, that Estate.
Funny how a piece of music called Fanfare For The Common Man, which was originally composed as an uplifting piece of propaganda for the American people during the hard times of the Second World War, should now be so closely guarded by lawyers and people who think they know what's best for a wonderful piece of music.
To quote Bert again, "Bollocks". :(
QuoteJust to clarify, are the legal issues completely unresolvable, or just enough to put the cd back another month? What I mean is - is it the track itself that can't ever be released, or just the Frost* Reports?
All of it (from what Jem said). :x
If the Copland estate lawyers can let youth orchestras and percussion ensembles and the like mangle Mr C's work freely and without let and hindrance (and believe me, I have participated in many such manglings in my time), then I can't see how they could possibly object to Jem sprinkling a bit of the old Godfrey unhinged fairy dust over it.
Is there any use in starting a petition? I'd gladly sign it!
From the tweets around the time, one can only imagine the meeting where they listened to it to make the decision...
Quote from: "Mooncat"QuoteJust to clarify, are the legal issues completely unresolvable, or just enough to put the cd back another month? What I mean is - is it the track itself that can't ever be released, or just the Frost* Reports?
All of it (from what Jem said). :x
I interpreted that to mean that if Jem wanted to release the track outside of the magazine CD it wouldn't be allowed, but would that scenario allow for the track to still be included on the CD if/when it is released?
Wait, doesn't this mean that it's only Frost*'s version of Fanfare that can't be released?
I'm just saying that because that would mean there's nothing to stop the Classic Rock Presents... people from releasing the rest of the cover CD ;)
Or am I just very confused? :?
I read somewhere that there were problems with multiple tracks (as in publishers plural), not just the Copland Estate, but I don't really know.
I'd suspect that there's nothing to stop it being played live...
hmmm?
;)
I guess that would have to depend on just how unhinged it is! ;)
It's not designed to be played live. It's that mad.
I'm sure somebody will get hold of it and share it. Sometime. ;) I'm more pissed off about the Frost reports. I put a lot of time into them. Mitchell, Nath and Rob Reed are on sparkling form. :evil:
I even got footage (the first ever!) of Magenta HQ which is Rob's fabulous studio and of Rob demonstrating the power of surround mixing as it happened.
ELP have a lot to answer for on so many levels.
Was *all* of it FFTCM or can you salvage bits? :? (I know it's extra work, etc.)
I can harvest some of it, but I need a new topic for a Frost report within which to include it all. Any suggestions anybody?
Aaron Copland? ;)
Actually, on a serious note, maybe the preparation for the Dividing Line radio show?
Fun fair for the Cumin Naan? Not even the scringeiest lawyer could see a connection there, surely.
It might be quite interesting to see some of the processes you're going through with regards the gigs old bean. A bit of the struggle with Mainstage and that, trying some new things out. Also we haven't seen the Kawai being shouted at or smelled yet lol.
Call it funfare for the common oik!
That should get the lawyers off the trail.
Erafnaf
Dewey, Cheatham & Howe (Copland's law firm)
Overture For The Regular Chap?
Quote from: "Pedro"Fun fair for the Cumin Naan?
Genius.
I don't imagine the Copland Estate was to blame for messing around ELP back in the day - Copland was still personally very much alive then.
But to say this is a "major bummer" is a gross understatement.
David
Pan care for the hungry man ?
How about .. "Farking Tossers"
What a load of old bollox .... sooooooo disapointed, Jem you must be gutted, bad luck old fella !
Could the song be reversed then all the melodies are obviously not copelands. Then when its released in this form its down to some clever chaps to reverse it and bobs your 2nd nephew twice removed! ;)
Quote from: "Jem"I can harvest some of it, but I need a new topic for a Frost report within which to include it all. Any suggestions anybody?
Copland wrote an excellent book called "What To Listen For In Music" which was a guide for the novice in classical music. I'd suggest "What to listen for in Prog" with maybe a few Copland samples as examples? After all, doesn't copyright law allow educational uses as fair use...
Quote from: "Fogeyspasm"Could the song be reversed then all the melodies are obviously not copelands. Then when its released in this form its down to some clever chaps to reverse it and bobs your 2nd nephew twice removed! ;)
I REALLY like this idea!
Do it Jem! Pretty please? :D :D :D
how about just blacking over the Copland parts in the video with a screen that lists the phone number/email of the Copland estate (and others involved)?
This is the sort of nonsense that gives copyright a bad name... (I mean, he's been dead 20 years and yet we are supposed to believe that society benefits from his estate still controlling things 68 years after he wrote it?)
:roll:
There must be a way to let us enjoy this version......
Has anyone got their Classic Rock Presents Prog mag (due out today) yet...
.. or has the whole thing been delayed?
Right Jem, here's the plan.
Step 1:
First you reverse the audio file of Fanfare and then cut it up into little bits of audio only about ten seconds or so long.
Step 2:
Next, you record white noise over the top of each of the segments of the track.
Step 3:
Then, you post the noisy backwards bits of Fanfare on the web, along with a sample of the white noise on it's own.
Step 4:
Then it's just a case of us lot using phase cancellation to remove the noise, reversing the segments, and putting them all back together again!
:twisted:
Or is that a bad idea? :?
Since I started this mess by asking, might I ask one question of Jem?? Do individual performers, say John Mitchell for example, if he was a musician that played on the recording, have any rights to their INDIVIDUAL work, whilst practicing and recording?? Might each musician be given their "parts" back (and of course, freely distributed since it's only a part of them practicing) so it might be re-combined by some intrepid mix master out there, who of course, simply releases his "party mix" of parts he assembled?
Bit of a stretch, no doubt, but bonkers, this sucks! :) I thought of the backwards release to, but it seems like a reversed copy that is Fanfare would cause issues as well. But a party mix released by some unknown interloper, who "found" various pieces floating about, and name it something else, I wonder..... :)
Yours in Frost,
Tony
I think Jem is out right now, having (hopefully) enjoyed being in the audience for the recording of this Sunday's Top Gear.
There is a chance he is being fingered in WickedWitch's front room but reports are sketchy.
As for the recording of FFTCM I would wonder if very much of it wasn't Jem (him being that clever and all) but the fact that the blocked Frost* reports contain the other talented chaps suggests I might be well wrong....
Hopefully a USB stick will be left on a bus or in a taxi...one day...
Quote from: "Pedro"... There is a chance he is being fingered in WickedWitch's front room ....
:shock:
Good Lord Pedro ... what an image I have flying through my mind :oops:
Anyway ...
It would be a terible misfortune if the said track were to find it's way out ... there must be plenty of people in the loop (to ahem .. blame) ... who may not be as respectful as Jem over the Copland Estates' decision :twisted:
I'm sure us trustworthy Frosties would never publicly post the track, though perhaps we would pass it around privately via email ... should someone find it carelessly lying around ? ;)
Do we know any specifics .. did they receive the track to pass it off and then prevent it's release, or was their position of "no" a blanket response taken from the start ?
If one of those people were to accidentally let it slip, I would personally apportion a couple of pints of blame to them the next time I saw them. :)
I'd be willing to sign an agreement to not copy, distribute or post the track. Breach would mean a year listening to nothing but Aaron Copland, a sentence I would never risk.
Quote from: "Pedro"If one of those people were to accidentally let it slip, I would personally apportion a couple of pints of blame to them the next time I saw them. :)
Stooping to bribery and corruption, eh, Pedders?
I think I'd be prepared to as well...
I got the magazine today and stood there for about 5 minutes trying to figure out what had happened to the cd. Eventually I just bought it as I decided the Rush article was pretty good anyway.
When I got back and opened it, on the contents page is a detailed look at each cover song, indeed with Frost at number 1 on the tracklisting. The cd that came with it is till good (although very heavy on the Steven Wilson and friends).
The final sting comes in the review of the Philadelphia Experiment where at the end it says "If the gloriously deranged version of FFTCM on this months ELP tribute CD whetted your appetite, then what are you waiting for?"
House point for spelling whetted right.
I want to hear this glorious derangement!
(cue full-on tantrum)
Their they're, catherine.
Quote from: "gr8gonzo"Their they're, catherine.
Aaaargh! Froth! Gibber! :evil: :shock: :o :roll: :?
gr8gonzo, your truely evil. you should of been warned about putting posts in like that. ;)
Ah, but it's my truely evil, so... ;)
I'm pleased that the lawyer-vitriol has calmed down a bit. My lovely wife is a member of that particular fraternity, and a more compassionate person you wouldn't come across. I believe she's also inclined to think that this type of draconian and restrictive constraint on derivative works is absurd, and stifles creativity across the board. So yeah... slightly less broad strokes with the tar-brush would be appreciated.
On the song itself - I'm slightly surprised they can just say "NO" and close the door. I thought cover renditions were, ermm... covered... under compulsory licencing. That said, I'm in the colonies down here, and while we have a lot of common law in, ermm... common... our legislation differs somewhat.
I'm also thinking that the modifications to the original might be a sticking point, because then it becomes a new derivative work, rather than just a 'rendition'.
End free-association :)
Whilst lawyers are no doubt involved, the ridiculous nature of modern copyright terms has a lot more to do with accountants me feels (and a certain mouse).
I had a faint hope that in my subscribers copy of CRPP there would be a second "naughty" disc that an overworked packer had slipped in by mistake. I would off course have alerted the correct person (in this case Pedders) who would have demanded that I send him a copy of it by email immediately. Which I would be bound as a Frost*ie to do. There would then have been a PM to the top 100 Forum members and life would be good.
Sadly none of this happened
LOL
It's a nice faint hope to have.:)
I guess the guys did well to do the insert and to sticker-up the wallet like they did and, while the CD is not *that* exciting, it's not bad.
BTW I sent a very diplomatic and rational email to the Copland estate describing the true story of how my music teacher 30-odd years ago used ELP's "fanfare" to connect with my cohort of disinterested students. It was a pivotal moment in my music life. I'll never forget that moment as we all heard the trumpets and thought, 'here we go, another droning lecture about intervals and tonal contrasts'....and then the drums started. Everything he said suddenly made sense that day.
That lesson also forged another small connection between me and my parent's love of classical music - I'll always be grateful to him for that. I reasoned in my mail that by rejecting this "bump" of Copland's work they were preventing something similar (moments of revelation and relevance) from happening again (although, to be fair, I doubt there are such music lessons in schools these days).
I had a 'thanks for sharing you thoughts' reply (presumably because I was civil). I doubt that it has made or will make any difference. :(
It makes a difference to me. Cheers!
All I can say is unmentionable here, whats the harm in letting it be released on the cd? Or is common(man) sense lost nowadays?
Quote from: "Mordwin"Whilst lawyers are no doubt involved, the ridiculous nature of modern copyright terms has a lot more to do with accountants me feels (and a certain mouse).
:shock: What have I done now?
Pedders, a great idea that was to send a diplomatic, civilised Email. Thanks for doing that. :)
Ah yes... should have typed "a certain *other* mouse" in these forums shouldn't I? ;)
And yes, thanks for taking the time to do that Pedro, difference or not.
Quote from: "Mordwin"And yes, thanks for taking the time to do that Pedro, difference or not.
Maybe we should ALL have a go?
That's up to individuals I guess, as long as no-one says what they are really thinking! ;)
I won't post an address or anything that could look like 'incitement' (it's easy enough to find anyway).
We just need to remember we are talking about the custodians of the work of a seriously talented and revered composer. They don't need to care about prog. :)
I might fire off an email to them tomorrow. I'm coming from what I guess is a fairly different standpoint to some people here in that I've got a lot of love for Aaron Copland's work (just listen to Appalachian Spring), so maybe some arse-lickery can do the trick :P
Quote from: "Phrog"I've got a lot of love for Aaron Copland's work (just listen to Appalachian Spring),
Me too, & if you listen to Appalachian Spring you'll find that Mr. Copland used a familiar piece of music, which is also now part of 'Lord of the Dance'
Pot, Kettle, Black.
I don't think I've read all the posts re FFFTCM (or Pink Panther as the kids might have called it had they ever listened to it, which they can't have, as it doesn't exist) but am confused as to the real who, what, why and where.
:idea: Carl Palmer seems to have the key to all this as ELP, Asia, Qango and his own band all play FFFTCM, perhaps that nice Mr Palmer could explain the way around this
Quote:idea: Carl Palmer seems to have the key to all this as ELP, Asia, Qango and his own band all play FFFTCM, perhaps that nice Mr Palmer could explain the way around this
I don't think the 'live performance' of music is classed the same as a recorded work for the purposes of copyright
Quote from: "Mikey"Me too, & if you listen to Appalachian Spring you'll find that Mr. Copland used a familiar piece of music, which is also now part of 'Lord of the Dance'
Could it be that that particular bit is actually an old folk melody?
Quote from: "ChrisX"Quote from: "Mikey"Me too, & if you listen to Appalachian Spring you'll find that Mr. Copland used a familiar piece of music, which is also now part of 'Lord of the Dance'
Could it be that that particular bit is actually an old folk melody?
yes, "Simple Gifts" aka "The Shaker Hymn" is undoubtedly in the Public Domain.
Quote from: "Mooncat"Quote:idea: Carl Palmer seems to have the key to all this as ELP, Asia, Qango and his own band all play FFFTCM, perhaps that nice Mr Palmer could explain the way around this
I don't think the 'live performance' of music is classed the same as a recorded work for the purposes of copyright
Splendid then! I look forward to it's inclusion in the new Frost Live DVD!!!! Hey, so it wasn't on the play list, it just sorta happened, a spontaneous eruption of sorts! LOL :)
QuoteMooncat wrote:
:idea: Carl Palmer seems to have the key to all this as ELP, Asia, Qango and his own band all play FFFTCM, perhaps that nice Mr Palmer could explain the way around this
I don't think the 'live performance' of music is classed the same as a recorded work for the purposes of copyright
Splendid then! I look forward to it's inclusion in the new Frost Live DVD!!!! Hey, so it wasn't on the play list, it just sorta happened, a spontaneous eruption of sorts! LOL :)
Ahh, but therein lies an issue in itself - as the DVD would be a recorded work and hence fall foul of the copywright laws I think??? :roll:
Quote from: "Mooncat"QuoteMooncat wrote:
:idea: Carl Palmer seems to have the key to all this as ELP, Asia, Qango and his own band all play FFFTCM, perhaps that nice Mr Palmer could explain the way around this
I don't think the 'live performance' of music is classed the same as a recorded work for the purposes of copyright
Splendid then! I look forward to it's inclusion in the new Frost Live DVD!!!! Hey, so it wasn't on the play list, it just sorta happened, a spontaneous eruption of sorts! LOL :)
Ahh, but therein lies an issue in itself - as the DVD would be a recorded work and hence fall foul of the copywright laws I think??? :roll:
I am sure that Fanfare appears on the ELP set of last year's High Voltage, so that one theory trashed http://www.coverdude.com/cd-covers/2326 ... tival.html (http://www.coverdude.com/cd-covers/23267-emerson-lake-palmer-high-voltage-festival.html)
Ah drats!! Bloody lawyers needed again it seems. So do video copyright laws and music copyright laws fall under the same rule? I suppose if it's sold for profit it does... Could always switch to a minimum donation for a live performance DVD Gift from Sir Jem??? That way it's not sold for profit... :) Or perhaps a completely unofficial bootleg video of a live performance of the song? :)
For the love of music, let my song free!!! Err, let Mr. Copeland's song free!!!!! Umm, let Sir Godfrey's entirely new treatment of Mr. Copeland's song free!!!! Where is WikiSongs when you need it????
Or is that SongLeaks??? :)
I rather like this concept, I do! :) Me wonders if one was to setup a website for such, would brave and completely anonymous artists blink if they found there copyrighted material now done by some randomly brilliant other artist there, and it all just happens, because that's the way our Universe is working right now... no secrets, things all wished with held seeing the light of day in unexplained ways.
Just think, We Are Anonymous group would either take full cheers for responsibility or blame... for aren't we all anonymous in some way? :)
Jem played Fanfare on my New Year's show. Er... sort of.
Quote from: "Mikey"ELP, Asia, Qango and his own band all play FFFTCM,
All my examples appear on CD's
What about a slight re-write and re-name, Fanfare for a common woman...........
Quote from: "Mooncat"Quote:idea: Carl Palmer seems to have the key to all this as ELP, Asia, Qango and his own band all play FFFTCM, perhaps that nice Mr Palmer could explain the way around this
But ELP were given permission by the composer to use this, having initially been refused permission as it didn't add anything (he was played the single version apparantly, changing his mind only after hearing the full thing). I've no idea what was written down but surely Carl P could always claim that he did have permission even if the letter specified Emerson Lake & Palmer, as he was THAT Palmer.
That could well be the case - no doubt somewhere in the small print it says that they can perform it as AC gave them permission. No such luck with Jem's version
I thought that ELP were initially refused by Copland's representitives, so they went around them and went to Copland himself, who loved their version and gave them his permission. However it happened then, Mr. Copland sadly isn't with us anymore, so there's only the seemingly stubborn estate left to deal with.
That's what I understood too Mouse. :(
No, Keith Emerson says that he had to send the full version to his publishers because the maestro had said "what's the point?". When he said there wAs a longer version he was told to send that as essentially Aaron Copland "was a 10 year old at heart!". Is that the secret to all great composers then, Jem?
Long play-times signify commitment! After all, careless prog costs lives!
Quote from: "Mooncat"Quote:idea: Carl Palmer seems to have the key to all this as ELP, Asia, Qango and his own band all play FFFTCM, perhaps that nice Mr Palmer could explain the way around this
I don't think the 'live performance' of music is classed the same as a recorded work for the purposes of copyright
And speaking of Qango. If you haven't heard them, there's a couple of tracks on todays blog
//http://mikeyvtheworld.blogspot.com/
One of which is Hoedown