So Jem really did bury Andy :(
Gutted.... The most talented member of a super talented band....
Still... he's still recording with them I suppose :|
Nah, it wasn't Jem, the Drum Machine grew arms and legs and did it whilst everyone was distracted by Jem playing a keyboard solo.
Ok... I'd like to know what TBE has to say about it.
Has he not been buried then?
Strange how things take on new meaning with hindsight, eh? ;)
So was TBE's departure planned around the same time as the hidden message, or is it just a coincidence?
Quote from: "Gedfaz"Gutted.... The most talented member of a super talented band....
I'd find it hard to pick a 'most talented' in the band to be honest... seen Jem's keyboard chops? Ever watched JJ running about the stage? Ever seen Dec sing live? Ever seen... well, JM?
:D
Crikey.
Time to finish off that time-machine design I've been working on next year and use it to get in the 2 decades of practice I'd need to even think about being good enough to replace TBE.
And so my musical interests and influences will continue to expand: I shall continue to watch Andy's work with interest, and will doubtless go off on tangents with whatever he's involved with.
Thanks, Jem and the Frost*icles, for introducing me to a talented fella who's reawakened my drive to become more than a mediocre drummer.
Onwards....
Quote from: "LivingForever"Quote from: "Gedfaz"Gutted.... The most talented member of a super talented band....
I'd find it hard to pick a 'most talented' in the band to be honest... seen Jem's keyboard chops? Ever watched JJ running about the stage? Ever seen Dec sing live? Ever seen... well, JM?
:D
Yes... yes.... yes.... I have (apart from Jem and Dec)... still stand by it. I can remember Martin Orford saying that his one regret of leaving IQ was that he didnt get to play more with Andy before moving on.... I love them all, but at what he does I find Andy most talented.
Well, apple and orange comparisons aside, I get the feeling we haven't seen the full extent of his talents yet. Hope his new venture is something sufficiently worthy of winning him. :)
Woww, i'm really saddened by this. :cry:
I don't think he's really replaceable. I really think he was an unsung hero in EIMA!
Though the chances of me ever seeing a Frost show in my lifetime are very very slim, so it shouldn't matter to me if he's still going to be on the records...
Interesting comments from Jem over on the It Bites forum:-
http://www.itbites.com/forum/viewtopic. ... &start=135 (http://www.itbites.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1256&start=135)
Especially liked the bit about "I've got 4 new Frost songs that I'm going to release free in the New Year with more to follow later in the year." :D
"EIMA expanded CD"? Wossat? A double-dip?
Better get it ordered now! ;)
Is Andy really leaving or is this a joke of some sort??? Because if it is, it is sure as hell not funny. :(
Quote from: "Sean"Is Andy really leaving or is this a joke of some sort??? Because if it is, it is sure as hell not funny. :(
not a joke.
Nooooooooooooo. :( That sucks. I mean, I would've loved to see Frost* sometimes and now Andy's not there anymore. No good. :(
Well, shut the door on your way out then. Thanks for the vote of confidence.
Boy, an expanded CD and more Frost songs. :D
Now Jem if you had a keyboard for every project you worked on... oh that's right you do! :lol:
Quote from: "Jem"Well, shut the door on your way out then. Thanks for the vote of confidence.
I probably wasn't expressing myself properly I guess. I didn't mean to say that Frost* without Andy is "not Frost*" or a "bad Frost*" or anything. Far from that really. What I meant was, that I would've loved to see this line-up live, with Andy in the band. That's all. Sorry for the poor phrasing... :roll: :(
EDIT: Obviously if I get the chance to see you guys live, I'm gonna be there in a heartbeat, no matter what the line-up.
I don't get all the doom and gloom. Frankly they could replace Andy with John Mayhew, Mick Pointer or Nick Mason and Frost* would still be the best band in the world!
;)
Quote from: "szabiakanich"Quote from: "Jem"Well, shut the door on your way out then. Thanks for the vote of confidence.
I probably wasn't expressing myself properly I guess. I didn't mean to say that Frost* without Andy is "not Frost*" or a "bad Frost*" or anything. Far from that really. What I meant was, that I would've loved to see this line-up live, with Andy in the band. That's all. Sorry for the poor phrasing... :roll: :(
EDIT: Obviously if I get the chance to see you guys live, I'm gonna be there in a heartbeat, no matter what the line-up.
Alright I'm just gonna say it. That was a little bit harsh Jem don't you think? :| I know to you this is no big deal but this is the internet, everything tends to blow up bigger.
Totally sucks that Andy is leaving.....I loved his work on Milliontown, and I expect the same with EIMA....(hope I get mine soon!).....I also love his dry wit in the Frost Reports. However, not a slag on any individuals, but lets be honest, this band is primarily Jem and JM. I am sure Dec will have an increasing role as well....cause the guy is the real deal. Andy is a fantastic drummer, but realistically, with all due respect, in most bands, certain members are replaceable, and certain members aren't.
As with many other acts, there are probably two clear "sides" to Frost*; studio and live but, IMHO, being able to keep the same people involved on both sides has definite benefits....but nothing lasts forever and change is generally good.
I think it is pretty clear from what we have seen and heard in the past that Jem could do the whole thing himself and, before anyone draws the wrong conclusion from that, I mean he could play all the parts and assemble pant-shatteringly good tracks. We have seen him playing all of the parts (mad guitar solos on keys, great-sounding drums - again on keys, bass guitar...., etc. etc.). He certainly could do the all the vocals too (maybe not right up to (upper) Dec's dog-bothering heights that interfere with bat-nav and not as textured as JM's classic "gravel" drive....).
However, the really clever part is that he chooses not to go it alone - which brings both expected and unexpected benefits to the outcome (that extra bit of quality and some stimulating chaos too).
Similarly, in the live setting, Jem probably *could* do it (or something like it) all himself too, either following something like the Steve Thorne backing-track approach or reworking the tracks down to only needing the four hands and three feet some of us have seen him play with....(did I just say he has three feet to play with....? :shock:). But here, again, the better thing is done, and the fantastic results have been seen by many, both on and off the stage.
Yeah, by all means, we can pick favourites if it helps get the time to pass but while live Frost* will be changed by the reduction of Andy (anyone got a recipe?) he will still be involved in some ways (yay!). I do understand that if you haven't ever seen Andy with Frost* then after Jan 10th you won't....until the great "Onion" tour in 2031, that is! :)
So this news is only a disaster if one is inclined or determined to see it like that. For my part, I am both inclined and determined to just wish TBE the best of luck and see what happens, giving the new drummist every chance. :)
Quote from: "LivingForever"Frankly they could replace Andy with Mick Pointer
;)
Erm? Andy can drum as far as I can tell ;)
Leon doesn't play live for Tinyfish anymore, his last gig was the first one he played so if Andy's departure is the same as Leon's we will be seeing him again!
Blimey the snow is really coming down in Sarf London.
I love Andy's playing on the album (Milliontown) and I think he's a great guy, but too be really honest, when I saw him live in Zoetermeer I was underwhelmed... And at that gig I also heard from some other people that he's a great studio drummer, but less of a live drummer. Not sure if that has anything to do with it though!
Quote from: "Pedro"As with many other acts, there are probably two clear "sides" to Frost*; studio and live but, IMHO, being able to keep the same people involved on both sides has definite benefits....but nothing lasts forever and change is generally good.
I think it is pretty clear from what we have seen and heard in the past that Jem could do the whole thing himself and, before anyone draws the wrong conclusion from that, I mean he could play all the parts and assemble pant-shatteringly good tracks. We have seen him playing all of the parts (mad guitar solos on keys, great-sounding drums - again on keys, bass guitar...., etc. etc.). He certainly could do the all the vocals too (maybe not right up to (upper) Dec's dog-bothering heights that interfere with bat-nav and not as textured as JM's classic "gravel" drive....).
However, the really clever part is that he chooses not to go it alone - which brings both expected and unexpected benefits to the outcome (that extra bit of quality and some stimulating chaos too).
Similarly, in the live setting, Jem probably *could* do it (or something like it) all himself too, either following something like the Steve Thorne backing-track approach or reworking the tracks down to only needing the four hands and three feet some of us have seen him play with....(did I just say he has three feet to play with....? :shock:). But here, again, the better thing is done, and the fantastic results have been seen by many, both on and off the stage.
Yeah, by all means, we can pick favourites if it helps get the time to pass but while live Frost* will be changed by the reduction of Andy (anyone got a recipe?) he will still be involved in some ways (yay!). I do understand that if you haven't ever seen Andy with Frost* then after Jan 10th you won't....until the great "Onion" tour in 2031, that is! :)
So this news is only a disaster if one is inclined or determined to see it like that. For my part, I am both inclined and determined to just wish TBE the best of luck and see what happens, giving the new drummist every chance. :)
Pedro - as usual, the voice of reason! Well said.
Too bad Andy is leaving frost camp. Any reasons?
But...
Hey, frost* is mainly about Jem. He sings, writes songs, produce and play keyboards all over the place. Give him some cred, ffs! :D
It's a loss but the Frost*-fling-core is still intact!
...Andy is great, and there is a lot of great drummers out there too. I'm not that worried. I will follow Andys work, and Frost* will keep on making awesome music, no probs.
btw, drummers are not really musicians or? :D
Quote from: "Freddy"btw, drummers are not really musicians or? :D
Oof, I wouldn't say that at all, even if that's what you believe... :shock:
Quote from: "Qjimbo"Quote from: "Freddy"btw, drummers are not really musicians or? :D
Oof, I wouldn't say that at all, even if that's what you believe... :shock:
Well, I was implying a joke about drummers. Just to lighten the mood a tad. :D
Quote from: "Freddy"Quote from: "Qjimbo"Quote from: "Freddy"btw, drummers are not really musicians or? :D
Oof, I wouldn't say that at all, even if that's what you believe... :shock:
Well, I was implying a joke about drummers. Just to lighten the mood a tad. :D
Oh in that case I've got (an old) one...
Q. Whats the difference between a drummer and radox?
A. Radox bucks up the feet, a drummer...
:lol:
yeah, c'mon. It's all me anyway. I only hire the others coz I feel sorry for them. :lol: :lol:
Seriously, it's not like we're getting divorced or he's died. All I'm asking for is a little calm, a little patience and a little belief. I'm not about to put anybody in TBE's place who can't play what TBE can play am I?
And besides, Andy suggested this guy and they're good mates. Calm thee selves.
Batchain's post on the IB forum didn't help admittedly which is why I made a rare appearance over there, but trust me.
Everything is fine and it's all going to be fine, ok? 8-)
Jem, if we read the lyrics to 'Welcome to Nowhere' correctly, you know what the internet is like, so what else do you expect?
:D
Sometimes my posts don't come across quite as intended. But yes it's all my fault. Silly batchain.
B xx :cry:
Quote from: "Batchain"Sometimes my posts don't come across quite as intended. But yes it's all my fault. Silly batchain.
B xx :cry:
you're alright mate. I know there was nowt malicious in your missive. 8-)
Quote from: "LivingForever"Jem, if we read the lyrics to 'Welcome to Nowhere' correctly, you know what the internet is like, so what else do you expect?
:D
Fair point. But I hope we can keep that particular wolf from this place's door.
as great as andy was ( is ) whats gone is gone the future is far more exciting lets bring it on :)
It's a shame that Andy is leaving, but I'm also looking forward to the future of Frost* whilst loving EIMA.
I (or basically the whole community probably) totally trust your decisions Jem. And again, sorry for my poor phrasing earlier. I didn't want to come across as rude or something. I just enjoy Andy's drumming. That's all. :) I'm sure the new guy is going to rock too. No doubts there.
I see that Andys last gig with Frost* is on my b-day (or d-day if you want, since I'd really like to see them coming less rapidly these days)...
Well Hooray! But I have full confidence in the new Semi-Human Drum machine with extra amrs sprouting from his (its?) knees that will be stepping in. Not quite a Borg, perhaps more like a Linn, I guess. Anyhow. I lower my shields. Resistance is futile. Please don't assimilate me ;)
Btw, you still have a long way to go if you want to catch The Flower Kings and their likes with regards to that revolving drum seat. I think their drumset has a Bond-y catapult seat.
Quote from: "szabiakanich"I (or basically the whole community probably) totally trust your decisions Jem. And again, sorry for my poor phrasing earlier. I didn't want to come across as rude or something. I just enjoy Andy's drumming. That's all. :) I'm sure the new guy is going to rock too. No doubts there.
I agree w/this, in that i'm merely bummed that it's the (semi) loss of a talented member of the band. I'm glad i came on here and read the comments, because judging by Jem's blog, it almost seemed like he was happy to have Andy go.
I'm happy to have him go because I'm happy for him for what he's leaving us to go and do.
He's my mate first and foremost.
Quote from: "Jem"I'm happy to have him go because I'm happy for him for what he's leaving us to go and do.
He's my mate first and foremost.
Ah, got it. Don't you love the internet's complete lack of context in communications?
Thanks for the clarification, Jem! Best of luck to Andy as well.
I cant wait to hear what Andy's up to.. it must be something HUGE!
Andy's a tremendous Musician (with a capital 'M') and it's shame he wont be doing the gigs, but if we're introduced to a new prog drumming star because of this turn of event, it's not such a bad thing after all.
Go Jem, Go Frost*, and let's let the new guy kick our asses at Rosfest! :D
Quote from: "Hwangman"Quote from: "Jem"I'm happy to have him go because I'm happy for him for what he's leaving us to go and do.
He's my mate first and foremost.
Ah, got it. Don't you love the internet's complete lack of context in communications?
Thanks for the clarification, Jem! Best of luck to Andy as well.
plus the fact that british dry wit doesn't always come across perfectly
Quote from: "Hwangman"uote]
Ah, got it. Don't you love the internet's complete lack of context in communications?
:lol: I know. You can see how wars start. ;) :lol:
I didn't want to start any kind of war. :cry: :( Still feel bad about my post and that it got totally misunderstood. Oh well.
Feel really bad having started this thread now... :(
Lets just say we all love Jem and Andy and Johns and Dec.
But the chap who said you could stick Mick Pointer in.....
I assume that was meant to be a hilarious joke....
We are talking about THE Mick Pointer who STILL (Sorry John) cant beat a drum with any more profligacy than a small child hammering shapes into one of those toolbench things...
he was even worse than Paul Cook (Sorry other John).
I was soooo excited about new IQ and then Mr O had to go and leave :(
Gedfaz you must come to Script at the Peel and join us in laughing at him! :lol:
Quote from: "szabiakanich"I didn't want to start any kind of war. :cry: :( Still feel bad about my post and that it got totally misunderstood. Oh well.
Don't worry mate. It's not your fault. I think many lessons have been learned by myself and JJ after all this. I can only apologise to those that are still waiting for this poxy bloody album. I have seen first hand that Team Frost is busting it's arse to get this stuff sorted. But we're just a small, well meaning artisan bunch with limited resources.
My future business model is making more sense by the hour.
Hmm, I'm not so sure about that. We'd have the tracks (which I do anyway, thanks to eMusic), but not the bonus DVD content, so I'd be in the same boat as I am now. I have the album, but I'm dying to hear the instrumental versions and see the videos etc.
Obviously I'm behind the NBM, but I don't think it would have improved anything this time around. Onwards to brighter futures, I can't imagine whatever went wrong at CRS will inspire you to use them as a distributor again.
Edit: Oh, out of interest, what formats/bitrates are you planning NBM to operate under? Will there be losslessly-encoded versions, or will that be saved for physical CD versions? I'd gladly pay that little bit extra for lossless things if they were download-only.
best of luck andy
WORD!
Quote from: "Drarok"Edit: Oh, out of interest, what formats/bitrates are you planning NBM to operate under? Will there be losslessly-encoded versions, or will that be saved for physical CD versions? I'd gladly pay that little bit extra for lossless things if they were download-only.
yah, NineInchNails did a cool thing with their last album. they had a bunch of differently encoded versions available. bit-torrented and all that.
Quote from: "Gedfaz"But the chap who said you could stick Mick Pointer in.....
I assume that was meant to be a hilarious joke....
Nah I was deadly serious... same as I'd really like to see John Mayhew in the band.
:roll: :lol:
Bummer about Andy live. But hey, look at how many drummers Spinal Tap had. ;)
Seriously, best of luck to Andy! Whatever it is that you're doing next.
bah that sucks! i really enjoyed his playing in Frost*...
but hey, how about Gavin Harrison as a replacement? i'm sure he would add a really great flavour to the band and would be a worthy representative of TBE...
(sorry, i'm totally in love with this guys playing!!)
best luck to TBE and Frost*'s future!!
Quote from: "Gerdi"but hey, how about Gavin Harrison as a replacement?
I have read somewhere here from Jem that the new guy is one without any prog credentials which might just be a good thing since I feel there probably better drummers outside then inside progworld these days.
Lovely idea and totally different vibe: get Antonio Sanchez to play with Frost* :D
Its a shame that Andy had to leave, but he did, so thats that. What we, as fans are supposed to do now is pick out different prog rock drummers that could potentially replace him, not dwell on the fact that Andy is gone. So, i remember hearing from Jem at one point that Nick D'Virgilio was supposed to be the original drummer...
Quote from: "Gerdi"but hey, how about Gavin Harrison as a replacement? i'm sure he would add a really great flavour to the band and would be a worthy representative of TBE...
(sorry, i'm totally in love with this guys playing!!)
Nah, Gavin should drum for a new Kino album!
That would be really great! ;)
Its always good to get a 'new' set of ears and someone who isn't a prog drummer (and maybe even who isn't a pop drummer) could be so good for Frost*. IIRC TBE didn't consider himself a prog drummer and he was just brilliant. Great playing but none of it out of place and all of it totally in keeping with the song.
Really excited about TBE's future and the 'new' Frost* drummer. Are there any plans to have him involved in more than just touring Jem? Or is it definitive that TBE will be the studio drummer and TNG (The New Guy) will be the live guy?
Yeow; I take a weekend off reading the forum (but not EIMA-listening: my 9-year daughter declared DDD to be the best song in the world and that she greatly prefers Boy Bands like Frost* to Girl Bands :lol: ) and all hell breaks loose.
Sort of. I mean, it was probably much easier reading the whole of this thread in five minutes than suffering the emotional ups and downs in real time. I can still remember how I felt when I heard that Yes has been Buggered by the replacement of Jon Anderson and Rick Wakeman by Trevor Horn and Geoff Downes (although I'm mostly over it now).
Anyway, my personal reaction for what it's worth:
Andy no longer performing live with Frost*: sad, but I'm convinced there's a good and very positive reason, and am looking forward to hearing what it is. I'm also happy to hear he'll continue recording with Frost*.
New live drummer: am looking forward to hearing who it'll be and trust Jem that it'll be right for the supergroup that is Frost*.
Just one thing though, Jem: I hope The New Drummer has passed a rigorous sense of humour test with flying colours. In my mind, that's almost as a much a prerequisite of Frost* membership as blinding musicianship :D
If nothing else, this'll make The Peel and CRS gigs even more special than they already promise to be. Tick tock, tick tock ...
Quote from: "Paco"Nah, Gavin should drum for a new Kino album!
That would be really great! ;)
Well as far as I know he's playing on the new OSI... :P
Quote from: "Trapezium Artist"The New Drummer
TND :D :D
Quote from: "Mikey"Quote from: "Trapezium Artist"The New Drummer
TND :D :D
Sounds like The Noob Den...
The Naked Don?
Wikipedia sez TND = the call sign for Southern Cross Television in (wait for it) Darwin, in Australia's Northern Territory.
Hmmm ... adding 2 + 2 together to get, oh, more than a flooquillion, might we be looking at one of Dec's close friends joining in?
Clues so far include "outside the prog world" and "mate of Andy". While this doesn't automatically mean it's not one of Dec's friends (hard to imagine anyone not being Dec's friend to be honest) it doesn't appear to allow for any more Darwinists, if that's who you mean.... :)
Quote from: "Pedro"Clues so far include "outside the prog world" and "mate of Andy". While this doesn't automatically mean it's not one of Dec's friends (hard to imagine anyone not being Dec's friend to be honest) it doesn't appear to allow for any more Darwinists, if that's who you mean.... :)
Not really, Pedro; it was more just an instance of late night word association football. Now if it had been a
radio station, not TV, then I would've been much more convinced :D
:D
Well his new blog is up http://andyedwardsmusic.blogspot.com/ (http://andyedwardsmusic.blogspot.com/)
Sounds like TBE has got himself into something he's always wanted to do, and there's not an awful lot of people who can say that. Really chuffed for him and I hope that he can keep his recording output at a decent level because I think we all want to hear as much of the guy as possible. Good luck that man! :D
Well, I've already ruled out Tom Cohen, Tom Compton and Tommy Aldridge, as we know Jem has a 'no toms' policy.
Quote from: "gr8gonzo"Well, I've already ruled out Tom Cohen, Tom Compton and Tommy Aldridge, as we know Jem has a 'no toms' policy.
:lol:
Quote from: "DannySoisSage"Well his new blog is up http://andyedwardsmusic.blogspot.com/ (http://andyedwardsmusic.blogspot.com/)
Sounds like TBE has got himself into something he's always wanted to do, and there's not an awful lot of people who can say that. Really chuffed for him and I hope that he can keep his recording output at a decent level because I think we all want to hear as much of the guy as possible. Good luck that man! :D
So it's NOT the Take That tour... damn, I was convinced about that one! ;)
Quote from: "gr8gonzo"Well, I've already ruled out Tom Cohen, Tom Compton and Tommy Aldridge, as we know Jem has a 'no toms' policy.
:lol: That is
dreadful!
Quote from: "Jem"Quote from: "szabiakanich"I didn't want to start any kind of war. :cry: :( Still feel bad about my post and that it got totally misunderstood. Oh well.
Don't worry mate. It's not your fault. I think many lessons have been learned by myself and JJ after all this. I can only apologise to those that are still waiting for this poxy bloody album. I have seen first hand that Team Frost is busting it's arse to get this stuff sorted. But we're just a small, well meaning artisan bunch with limited resources.
My future business model is making more sense by the hour.
+1 on the Team Frost bit Jem, JJ and TLD have been doing a fab job at getting this epic album out to the masses. Communication has been high and you will NOT be disappointed when it lads on yer doorstep folks :D
Very sorry to see Andy go, but glad to hear he's found such a great job. Onwards and upwards...