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Frost* => Friends Of Frost* => Topic started by: E.S. on January 31, 2012, 04:53:05 PM

Title: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: E.S. on January 31, 2012, 04:53:05 PM
Making a new dedicated thread for the project. Maybe it should be gooey and sticky like the original one? :)

Our dearest leader, Cap'n, chief and master RWA has decided to step down from the role as the organizer and producer, so I'm the new boy putting it together. Not a leader, just the one buggering about with knobs and faders, glue, scissors and crayons.
Because of this, a new Box.com account has been created for future use, the other one belongs to Ron after all. I've got 5GB of space on it. :D

Therefore, I need everyone who want to participate to PM me your email address, so I can invite you to the new sharing place. I'll make folders for each one of you, where you can upload your files.

Upload your files in 44,1khz WAV format, preferably 24bit. 16bit also works if you don't have the 24bit option available.
It would also be nice if you include the tempo in the filename when you add a part.

Well, off we go then. :D
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Pedro on January 31, 2012, 05:08:56 PM
It is now "sticky" :) but hopefully wipe-clean.

As before, the intention (ha ha) is for this thread to be for the people actually working on the thing to communicate with each other.

Also, as before, please only sign-up if you want to actually deliver bits and pieces to the project but are also prepared for those bits to possibly not be used at all.

ES is bravely taking on the task of assembling a track that (hopefully) sounds good....this has to mean that some bits will need to be re-worked until good enough or until they fit better but it also follows that some bits just won't make it at all.

Looking forward to it :)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: danofmayz on January 31, 2012, 05:40:52 PM
As I'm unfamiliar, do we contribute a single part or a fully instrumented passage?
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Pedro on January 31, 2012, 06:56:51 PM
It can really be anything.
Last time we had everything from really short midi patterns to quite long, multi-instrument passages.
Typically, the flow was :-
The project will get a tempo and time sign, at least initially.
1. Listen to what is there already and come up with something to go with, after or before it.
2. Submit it however you can, midi or mp3 (to keep things light-weight).
3. ES decides how best to use it.
4. If it's a go-er(!) ES will ask for it on high quality WAV if you can do it.
5. If you can't do it, someone else could volunteer.
Some of the process last time involved replacing parts that were there but needed to be done either on real instruments or simply because someone wanted it to be less of them on the track. That meant people could contribute without having to compose anything themselves.

The thing is, no-one should feel excluded on the grounds of their level of ability out the gear they have. If you can expires an idea somehow it can be considered.
Hopefully that's about right.... :)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Nev on January 31, 2012, 07:09:59 PM
PM Sent to E.S.  :D

Quote from: "Pedro"
The thing is, no-one should feel excludEd on the grounds of their level of ability out the gear they have. If you can expires an idea somehow it can be considered.

I think that expresses my contributary level.  Expiring ideas is my speciality.  ;)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Pedro on January 31, 2012, 07:18:18 PM
Soddling auto-correctum!  :roll:
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: danofmayz on January 31, 2012, 07:54:53 PM
Quote from: "Pedro"
It can really be anything.
Last time we had everything from really short midi patterns to quite long, multi-instrument passages.
Typically, the flow was :-
The project will get a tempo and time sign, at least initially.
1. Listen to what is there already and come up with something to go with, after or before it.
2. Submit it however you can, midi or mp3 (to keep things light-weight).
3. ES decides how best to use it.
4. If it's a go-er(!) ES will ask for it on high quality WAV if you can do it.
5. If you can't do it, someone else could volunteer.
Some of the process last time involved replacing parts that were there but needed to be done either on real instruments or simply because someone wanted it to be less of them on the track. That meant people could contribute without having to compose anything themselves.

The thing is, no-one should feel excluded on the grounds of their level of ability out the gear they have. If you can expires an idea somehow it can be considered.
Hopefully that's about right.... :)

Excellent, Thank you for letting me know. Definitely got some ideas in mind. Let the three and a half minute pop song commence!  :D
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: E.S. on January 31, 2012, 07:56:42 PM
Good point Pedro, an MP3 upload would be best to begin with. Saves space and bandwidth :)

You contribute exactly as much as you want or can. If it's a finished arrangement or a single chord, anything is a valid contribution.
I have a tendency to write something, and then build an arrangement around it with a full band. Of course all of it is done "in the box", plus some shoddy attempts at playing bass and guitar. But here's the fun part; you might be a proper guitar player and replace my bits, or even better; rewrite it. Then a drummer might wanna play through the entire track, or at least a longer section of it, change it up, add parts... and so on.

A neverending rewrite and remix. :)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: E.S. on January 31, 2012, 08:02:53 PM
For those of you who remember 1976 (not the year ;) ), I thought it could be fun to pick a little piece from that and see where it goes. It's a real shame the song was never finished, and apparently abandoned for good.. so it's a little tribute to the song that never was. A suggestion from me:

http://www.box.com/s/rfp7cy38ngyqdztrjvx2 (http://www.box.com/s/rfp7cy38ngyqdztrjvx2)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Pedro on January 31, 2012, 08:15:12 PM
Interesting first move....  :)

*stares at board, tapping finger tips together in a pensive manner....switches on Triton...
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Mikey on January 31, 2012, 10:11:10 PM
That needs some bass pedals over it, wound up loud.
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Mikey on January 31, 2012, 10:14:21 PM
& some work on that 2 seconds silence at the end, maybe a 20 minute solo to fill it up.
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: RacingHippo on February 01, 2012, 09:17:52 AM
Oooh.. good start.....!
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: David on February 01, 2012, 02:48:54 PM
Quote from: "E.S."
For those of you who remember 1976 (not the year ;) ), I thought it could be fun to pick a little piece from that and see where it goes. It's a real shame the song was never finished, and apparently abandoned for good.. so it's a little tribute to the song that never was. A suggestion from me:

http://www.box.com/s/rfp7cy38ngyqdztrjvx2 (http://www.box.com/s/rfp7cy38ngyqdztrjvx2)
Excellent choice!

Remember, 3 months ago :
Quote from: "JakeWorrell"
Quote from: "E.S."
I'm sooo tempted to steal that 1976 snippet, it's too good to be scrapped.
Idea for a second Forum collaboration song perhaps?

I knew it was planned from the start, on your way to become the Master of the World *evil genius laugh*  :lol:
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: E.S. on February 01, 2012, 06:24:02 PM
It has been planned since the beginning of time! Moahahahahaaaa!

Only a suggestion though.  ;)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: JakeWorrell on February 01, 2012, 10:09:09 PM
sounds epic!

By the time the Frost*ies are done with it Jem is going to want it back ;)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Drarok on February 02, 2012, 09:43:35 PM
Sign me up! 8-)

I'll give some guitar bits a spin again, if you don't mind?
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: OlliR on February 03, 2012, 02:05:16 PM
Me as well, for bass and riffs and such :) Missed the first one around. That 1976 bit sounds fab.
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Fogeyspasm on February 03, 2012, 03:01:21 PM
Camerons up for a bit of this. He loves 1976, just asked him what he fancies doing. Going to do a drum keyboard based bit, hes ditched the guitars for this one. I fancy a real quiet acoustic 12 string bit. I will get my thinking head on!

This is from a while ago.
http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qckigQk0H10&list=UUeR9E5C1_lvlQE-NlAmQWnA&index=27&feature=plcp
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: E.S. on February 03, 2012, 04:31:04 PM
That's excellent!:D
That theme should appear somewhere. God knows when, this thing might be as long as the first one.
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: danofmayz on February 05, 2012, 03:54:42 PM
Just put some rough guitars of E.S.'s idea. It's in the box!
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: E.S. on February 06, 2012, 08:28:04 AM
Interesting, interesting...  Inspiring...  :D  

I'm throwing the individual tracks up today in 320k MP3 format, so anyone can play along, add things, whatever floats yer boat. Tempo is 130BPM, and one bar of silence before it starts.
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: danofmayz on February 06, 2012, 08:39:33 AM
Quote from: "E.S."
Interesting, interesting...  Inspiring...  :D  

I'm throwing the individual tracks up today in 320k MP3 format, so anyone can play along, add things, whatever floats yer boat. Tempo is 130BPM, and one bar of silence before it starts.

Good stuff. Lets make it a progventure!
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: rogerg on February 06, 2012, 01:32:23 PM
what key are we in?

like that matters, but...  8-)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: danofmayz on February 06, 2012, 01:38:21 PM
Quote from: "rogerg"
what key are we in?

like that matters, but...  8-)

Eb Major at the mo
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: E.S. on February 06, 2012, 01:52:07 PM
I know guitar players hate anything that's not in E, A or D.  :D
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: danofmayz on February 06, 2012, 01:56:40 PM
Quote from: "E.S."
I know guitar players hate anything that's not in E, A or D.  :D

 :lol: I know what you mean but I mainly play Jazz when i'm working so, i'm fine with it. It's a great key  :)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Pedro on February 06, 2012, 11:43:12 PM
I doodled an acoustic sketch loosely based on the chords/melody and parked it in my box folder.
Just pinning it on the board as part of a brain-drizzle of ideas...  :)
http://https://www.box.net/shared/akgp9k5y1bmy5p2su0tk
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: danofmayz on February 07, 2012, 09:20:25 AM
Quote from: "Pedro"
I doodled an acoustic sketch loosely based on the chords/melody and parked it in my box folder.
Just pinning it on the board as part of a brain-drizzle of ideas...  :)
http://https://www.box.net/shared/akgp9k5y1bmy5p2su0tk

I think that would be a great way to end the piece!
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: E.S. on February 07, 2012, 11:26:03 AM
Wow! That's be-yootiful!
And that's a wonderful guitar sound. Is that you playing, or a great sample set?
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Pedro on February 07, 2012, 01:29:54 PM
Thanks chaps. :)
Well I'd like to say it's me playing a real guitar but, alas, it's just me dabbing the keys to trigger a couple of Omnisphere's presets. That nylon guitar sound is rather lush.
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: rogerg on February 07, 2012, 01:33:22 PM
sweet, Pedro!!

and Dano, not the ending, but maybe 85% in, just before a big-crashing-power chord-techno-blast-widdle fest!
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: E.S. on February 07, 2012, 01:56:35 PM
Is it? Oh, it is! I've been using Omni a bit, but forgot about the guitars.

Hmmm... maybe an intro before it kicks off with all the rawk and madness? ;)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: danofmayz on February 07, 2012, 05:26:32 PM
Quote from: "rogerg"
sweet, Pedro!!

and Dano, not the ending, but maybe 85% in, just before a big-crashing-power chord-techno-blast-widdle fest!

Agreed, I can hear modern pads working over the top of it, building up to the big last riff! !kaboom!
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: rogerg on February 07, 2012, 07:05:28 PM
Quote from: "danofmayz"
Quote from: "rogerg"
sweet, Pedro!!

and Dano, not the ending, but maybe 85% in, just before a big-crashing-power chord-techno-blast-widdle fest!

Agreed, I can hear modern pads working over the top of it, building up to the big last riff! !kaboom!

exactly!
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Pedro on February 07, 2012, 07:07:35 PM
I appear to be thinking that where ES's clip ends feels like a 4-beat (semi-silent) break before the first verse starts.
I can hear (in my mind's ear) a slightly over-driven voice singing a melody line over a continuation of that riff.
I'll try to "sketch" the melody line later on, then maybe someone might come up with a few words and maybe someone (else?) might have a bash at singing it?
Kind of feels like a verse-bridge-chorus-verse-solo-chorus-coda structure for some reason.
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: E.S. on February 07, 2012, 07:44:02 PM
Lyrics would be great! Would be fun to have more vocals this time, and somehow tie in the " I can feel the world is turning" theme as a chorus... perhaps?

Not to say there shouldn't be long instrumental sections. ;)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: danofmayz on February 07, 2012, 10:11:25 PM
Quote
somehow tie in the " I can feel the world is turning" theme as a chorus... perhaps?

I think that should be the thread running through the whole track!
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: danofmayz on February 07, 2012, 11:11:49 PM
Just uploaded another track to the Box. It's just some textures and the "world is turning' theme (in 3/4) over Pedro's idea.  :) http://www.box.com/s/5bkc9m07tzs7p2e2fz60 (http://www.box.com/s/5bkc9m07tzs7p2e2fz60)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Mordwin on February 07, 2012, 11:53:50 PM
Hmm... all sounding rather swish so far... I only wish I was more musical!

Still, I can make a stab at some (probably a bit rubbish) words... (though, it's a song, so great poetry isn't essential I guess either :D) Not sure how well they'll fit, but I'm sure someone can tweak them into shape... or even smash them up and make something new from the teeny pieces  :D

I can feel the world is turning, I can feel the earth start burning,
I can hear the end, the fall, In these flames, we see it all.

I can speak in words of death, My every move, my final breath...
In the dark, the planet spins, In the fires, the darkness wins...

(An Apocalyptic Love Story maybe?)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Pedro on February 08, 2012, 12:00:13 AM
Nicely done too. :)

Random thought: While pondering a vocal melody I realised that some of the phrasing I was playing around with was a little bit like part of the verse of Pocket Sun. That got me thinking...our hero from Pocket Sun went back in time and got stuck...why not stuck in 1976?  :D

#...and I can feel the world is turning....without me....

@Mordwin: Interesting stuff. Spooky to note the "see it all" phrase...also an echo of Pocket Sun :)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Mordwin on February 08, 2012, 07:10:45 AM
Hmm... maybe our hero escapes the end of the world by travelling back in time...? Will ponder these random musings for a bit :)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: danofmayz on February 08, 2012, 08:32:07 AM
Quote from: "Mordwin"
Hmm... maybe our hero escapes the end of the world by travelling back in time...? Will ponder these random musings for a bit :)

Very Prog!  :D
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Brom on February 08, 2012, 09:16:25 AM
I took the intro bit last night, looped it and jammed a few things over the top with the Kaossilator and made a few synth and percussion loops plus a few "noises"! I'll upload them tonite hopefully.

One thing I noticed, and forgive my unmusically trained brain if I've missed something, but to me the intro bit is in F not Eb, as an F minor pentatonic fits nicely.

Whatever, I'm having fun!! Thanks ES for managing it all!
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: danofmayz on February 08, 2012, 10:45:10 AM
Quote from: "Brom"
One thing I noticed, and forgive my unmusically trained brain if I've missed something, but to me the intro bit is in F not Eb, as an F minor pentatonic fits nicely.

Pretty sure we're in Eb. If it was in F minor you'd have to play a Db instead of a D natural which doesn't work  :?:
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: RacingHippo on February 08, 2012, 11:51:00 AM
I think it should have a recurring motif of Inky Plinky Naaaaa! (http://http://jemgodfrey.blogspot.com/2012/02/and-so-snow-cometh.html)".
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: danofmayz on February 08, 2012, 11:54:31 AM
Quote from: "RacingHippo"
I think it should have a recurring motif of Inky Plinky Naaaaa! (http://http://jemgodfrey.blogspot.com/2012/02/and-so-snow-cometh.html)".

 :lol: Was thinking the same thing when I read that. I wonder if that will find it's way into the new album? BLM v2 me thinks  :)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: E.S. on February 08, 2012, 01:15:00 PM
:lol:

As far as I'm concerned, we're in C minor. That's what my completely self taught brain tells me.  8-)

I think I'm gonna reorganize the folders a bit to get them more like the old account. A separate folder for individual tracks, and a folder for every contributor inside. Or something like that. Things might get messy when we have a lot of files and different versions.
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: danofmayz on February 08, 2012, 01:23:24 PM
Quote from: "E.S."
As far as I'm concerned, we're in C minor. That's what my completely self taught brain tells me.  8-)

Indeed, C minor is the relative minor of Eb Major
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: E.S. on February 08, 2012, 01:42:22 PM
My individual tracks uploading now as MP3 files. Nevermind the 1st take guitar, it's just for demo.
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: danofmayz on February 08, 2012, 01:55:11 PM
Quote from: "E.S."
My individual tracks uploading now as MP3 files. Nevermind the 1st take guitar, it's just for demo.

Cool, good stuff!
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: danofmayz on February 08, 2012, 02:21:28 PM
I've added just the rhythm guitar parts from ES's idea to the Box.

http://www.box.com/s/7b5495out1b7nh3a1mmo (http://www.box.com/s/7b5495out1b7nh3a1mmo)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: danofmayz on February 08, 2012, 05:19:25 PM
Rough mix of E.S's idea with rhythm guitars in the Box! http://www.box.com/s/3lrbivkeepuusxyb8bjt (http://www.box.com/s/3lrbivkeepuusxyb8bjt)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Nev on February 08, 2012, 06:41:21 PM
A bit of tomfoolery on my part.

I really liked Pedro's guitar line (congrats), so what better way to do it justice than completely wreck it.  In my box folder is the mp3 of some messing about  with Pedro's theme that I was doing over the last few days, before I realised just what a horrendous train crash it is.  I thought it might be worth sharing, just in case there is anything that sparks any other (better) ideas.

The only bit I think is remotely approaching being worthy is the little synth line I added over ES' rough mix.

Listen only if you have a sense of humour and a forgiving attitude. :oops:

http://http://www.box.com/s/z1vb5u4nt6j7hm2r86x4
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Brom on February 08, 2012, 08:58:16 PM
Quote from: "danofmayz"
Quote from: "E.S."
As far as I'm concerned, we're in C minor. That's what my completely self taught brain tells me.  8-)

Indeed, C minor is the relative minor of Eb Major

Quite right chaps! I don't know what I was doing last nite as it all sounded fine at the time... I guess I must have had my jazz hat on!  :lol:

Glad I didn't post as I think everything I recorded was pants!, I'll keep thinking...
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Pedro on February 08, 2012, 10:04:25 PM
Quote from: "Nev"
Listen only if you have a sense of humour and a forgiving attitude.
That should be everyone on here then! ;)
...and everyone should listen too, nicely done. :)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: danofmayz on February 08, 2012, 10:07:32 PM
Quote from: "Nev"
A bit of tomfoolery on my part.

I really liked Pedro's guitar line (congrats), so what better way to do it justice than completely wreck it.  In my box folder is the mp3 of some messing about  with Pedro's theme that I was doing over the last few days, before I realised just what a horrendous train crash it is.  I thought it might be worth sharing, just in case there is anything that sparks any other (better) ideas.

The only bit I think is remotely approaching being worthy is the little synth line I added over ES' rough mix.

Listen only if you have a sense of humour and a forgiving attitude. :oops:

http://http://www.box.com/s/z1vb5u4nt6j7hm2r86x4

Some epic stuff going on there! There's some nice melodic lines in there!
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Mikey on February 08, 2012, 10:13:42 PM
Quote from: "Nev"
A bit of tomfoolery on my part.

Nothing wrong with that tomfoolery
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: E.S. on February 09, 2012, 12:04:12 AM
Forgiving??? :evil:




Of course we are. Always. :D

I have a feeling this is going to be great fun for the whole family. A bit tied up with actual work at the moment, albums and all that.. I'll have a go whenever I can. :)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Pedro on February 09, 2012, 12:11:56 AM
I've just uploaded a rough sketch of how I "heard" the structure in my mind's ear.
I've only used blocks of ES' original track (not picked up any of the other goodness that folks have done yet).

So it's intro, stop/go pause, verse one, chorus one... just to convey the idea. Very "obvious"/conventional possibly but, as I say, just pinning up ideas.

The vocal line (represented by a shonky lead sound) is of course shamelessly copied from PocketSun, continuing the thought that our hero is stuck in 1976(!).

Verse#1
I had a window on my wall, when she lit up I saw it all,
...blah, blah, blah (some clever past/present/future-tense wordage here)...and finishing with...
But that was then and this is now, I must get back to me somehow....
Chorus
And I can feel the world is turning...something, something, something,  etc.

Yertiz :- http://http://www.box.com/s/qto78cgdk8r7fitp3tr7
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: E.S. on February 09, 2012, 01:19:01 AM
I'm thinking of a word starting with G... and that's Genius. :D

Well played, sir!
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: danofmayz on February 09, 2012, 08:36:58 AM
Quote from: "Pedro"
I've just uploaded a rough sketch of how I "heard" the structure in my mind's ear.
I've only used blocks of ES' original track (not picked up any of the other goodness that folks have done yet).

So it's intro, stop/go pause, verse one, chorus one... just to convey the idea. Very "obvious"/conventional possibly but, as I say, just pinning up ideas.

The vocal line (represented by a shonky lead sound) is of course shamelessly copied from PocketSun, continuing the thought that our hero is stuck in 1976(!).

Verse#1
I had a window on my wall, when she lit up I saw it all,
...blah, blah, blah (some clever past/present/future-tense wordage here)...and finishing with...
But that was then and this is now, I must get back to me somehow....
Chorus
And I can feel the world is turning...something, something, something,  etc.

Yertiz :- http://http://www.box.com/s/qto78cgdk8r7fitp3tr7

Great stuff Pedro. I'm currently working on going from a re-ochestrated version of the EIMA intro into your lovely acoustic sketch. May work, may not  :lol:
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: SmartUK on February 09, 2012, 04:20:07 PM
Great work, folks - really impressive stuff.  Really wish I had the wherewithal to jon in...
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: danofmayz on February 09, 2012, 04:51:31 PM
It is very rough but I'd like to know if you think this works. Going from a re-orchestrated EIMA intro into Pedro's acoustic sketch - http://www.box.com/s/5t8x0acvkerrx9sjygb2 (http://www.box.com/s/5t8x0acvkerrx9sjygb2)  :?:
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: johninblack on February 09, 2012, 05:08:53 PM
Quote from: "danofmayz"
It is very rough but I'd like to know if you think this works. Going from a re-orchestrated EIMA intro into Pedro's acoustic sketch - http://www.box.com/s/5t8x0acvkerrx9sjygb2 (http://www.box.com/s/5t8x0acvkerrx9sjygb2)  :?:
Clever Bar Steward.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: danofmayz on February 09, 2012, 05:35:03 PM
Quote from: "johninblack"
Clever Bar Steward*.  :mrgreen:

Thanks  :D Now, I'm off to tend to my duties in the local pub*  :lol:
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: E.S. on February 09, 2012, 06:04:12 PM
Very clever indeed! :D
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: SmartUK on February 09, 2012, 09:49:54 PM
Quote from: "danofmayz"
It is very rough but I'd like to know if you think this works. Going from a re-orchestrated EIMA intro into Pedro's acoustic sketch - http://www.box.com/s/5t8x0acvkerrx9sjygb2 (http://www.box.com/s/5t8x0acvkerrx9sjygb2)  :?:

Really nice - fascinating to hear these ideas blending together *looks at his old Yamaha DTXPress drum kit*
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: SmartUK on February 09, 2012, 10:15:35 PM
Does anyone here know if there's such a thing as freeware voice-to-midi for XP..?
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: danofmayz on February 09, 2012, 10:24:30 PM
Thanks for your feedback guys. I really wasn't sure how it would blend but I'm happy with it now.
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: danofmayz on February 09, 2012, 10:25:19 PM
Quote from: "SmartUK"
Does anyone here know if there's such a thing as freeware voice-to-midi for XP..?

I'm really not sure. Google is your friend!  :)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Pedro on February 10, 2012, 12:08:47 AM
Quote from: "danofmayz"
Thanks for your feedback guys. I really wasn't sure how it would blend but I'm happy with it now.
I don't know if it's needed, but I just re-worked my end of it to match and hold the tempo of your nice take on EIMA.

http://http://www.box.com/s/lh2kvgyg39ls1tvut8z5

The benefit is that, without the "expressive" slow-downs it better lends itself to not necessarily being at the end of the piece.
I also got to re-draw the picking a bit, which is always fun (for me), trying to still make it sound semi-"believable".  :)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: E.S. on February 10, 2012, 12:42:43 AM
That's lovely! :D

Good news, possibly. I've got the East West Pianos VST. The Big 240GB one. Well, I'm getting it soon, bought it really cheap from a mate, and it's absolutely stunning with multiple mic positions and whatnot. Expect to hear lots of that in this tune.  :)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: danofmayz on February 10, 2012, 09:28:49 AM
Quote from: "E.S."
That's lovely! :D

Good news, possibly. I've got the East West Pianos VST. The Big 240GB one. Well, I'm getting it soon, bought it really cheap from a mate, and it's absolutely stunning with multiple mic positions and whatnot. Expect to hear lots of that in this tune.  :)

Great! Will certainly look forward to hearing some of those sounds. I'm using Reason and Garageband at the mo so, I don't have copious amounts of sounds but, i am a guitarist!  :lol:
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: johninblack on February 10, 2012, 04:12:27 PM
Quote from: "danofmayz"
Quote from: "E.S."
That's lovely! :D

Good news, possibly. I've got the East West Pianos VST. The Big 240GB one. Well, I'm getting it soon, bought it really cheap from a mate, and it's absolutely stunning with multiple mic positions and whatnot. Expect to hear lots of that in this tune.  :)

Great! Will certainly look forward to hearing some of those sounds. I'm using Reason and Garageband at the mo so, I don't have copious amounts of sounds but, i am a guitarist!  :lol:
I only have two sounds - Loud and louder :)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: SmartUK on February 10, 2012, 06:48:49 PM
Quote from: "Pedro"

http://http://www.box.com/s/lh2kvgyg39ls1tvut8z5

:)

Pretty, with a kind of melancholy that I think Jem would really appreciate.
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Mikey on February 10, 2012, 07:08:12 PM
Quote from: "johninblack"
I only have two sounds - Loud and louder :)
What? Speak up
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: MiniFogeyCam on February 10, 2012, 09:58:19 PM
Heres 3 bits that I've been working on, if any body wants to use them then feel free to key change, time change etc.
Theres an intro section like the original, the riff section, and a random string section.

http://http://www.box.com/s/vastfahy9os31apaaimf
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Mordwin on February 10, 2012, 11:19:16 PM
Quote from: "Pedro"
Quote from: "danofmayz"
Thanks for your feedback guys. I really wasn't sure how it would blend but I'm happy with it now.
I don't know if it's needed, but I just re-worked my end of it to match and hold the tempo of your nice take on EIMA.

http://http://www.box.com/s/lh2kvgyg39ls1tvut8z5

The benefit is that, without the "expressive" slow-downs it better lends itself to not necessarily being at the end of the piece.
I also got to re-draw the picking a bit, which is always fun (for me), trying to still make it sound semi-"believable".  :)

I thought these might work from about 0:46 if this is an intro (and we're going with the Pocket Sun meets 1976 theme)...

The world turns round, Window unbound,
All time yet unborn, Fades the light,
I turn...
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: danofmayz on February 11, 2012, 02:01:44 PM
Quote from: "SmartUK"
Quote from: "Pedro"

http://http://www.box.com/s/lh2kvgyg39ls1tvut8z5

:)

Pretty, with a kind of melancholy that I think Jem would really appreciate.

I hope so. I like the idea of using parts of EIMA and 1976 together.
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: danofmayz on February 15, 2012, 01:43:56 PM
I've uploaded a file expanding on the Pocket Sun idea. More atmospheric version of part of the verse. Need to put some real instruments on it yet but you'll get the idea. Hope you like! http://www.box.com/s/gena7dgnq09ikze21cvm (http://www.box.com/s/gena7dgnq09ikze21cvm)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: E.S. on February 15, 2012, 11:43:36 PM
Likey :)

I'll get all the files and get it organized soon, just got a bit to do at the moment. I also have more ideas to try out.
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: David on February 16, 2012, 06:48:35 PM
I tried to play the "I can feel the world is turning..." backward and reversed it, it sounds weird enough  :D
I'll post it on box.com as soon as I understand how do it!
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Mordwin on February 16, 2012, 07:25:04 PM
Quote from: "danofmayz"
I've uploaded a file expanding on the Pocket Sun idea. More atmospheric version of part of the verse. Need to put some real instruments on it yet but you'll get the idea. Hope you like! http://www.box.com/s/gena7dgnq09ikze21cvm (http://www.box.com/s/gena7dgnq09ikze21cvm)

Nice... an almost dance/techno vibe thing going on there... I like :)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: David on February 17, 2012, 10:38:06 AM
Quote from: "Mordwin"
Quote from: "danofmayz"
I've uploaded a file expanding on the Pocket Sun idea. More atmospheric version of part of the verse. Need to put some real instruments on it yet but you'll get the idea. Hope you like! http://www.box.com/s/gena7dgnq09ikze21cvm (http://www.box.com/s/gena7dgnq09ikze21cvm)
Nice... an almost dance/techno vibe thing going on there... I like :)
So haunting, love it!
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: David on February 18, 2012, 07:43:33 PM
Just for fun, I tried to play a backwards guitar version of Pedro's idea ("I can feel the world is turning..."), what do you think?

http://www.box.com/s/so7rdy21r72sqn5g2aua (http://www.box.com/s/so7rdy21r72sqn5g2aua)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: E.S. on February 18, 2012, 08:28:20 PM
LOVE IT!! That's a keeper! :D
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: danofmayz on February 18, 2012, 10:06:56 PM
Quote from: "David"
Just for fun, I tried to play a backwards guitar version of Pedro's idea ("I can feel the world is turning..."), what do you think?

http://www.box.com/s/so7rdy21r72sqn5g2aua (http://www.box.com/s/so7rdy21r72sqn5g2aua)

Nice man! That's cool!  :)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Pedro on February 19, 2012, 12:30:13 AM
Yes indeed, nice idea. :)

I forgot to put up a little nonsense I did a week or more ago.....Spoons!! :D

Not proper spoon playing but some jiggery trying to make different sounds but all done using the spoons....like a cutlery drum kit....or "drum kit-lery".

http://http://www.box.com/s/rcrknx3m5sdpkn7u5ioe
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: E.S. on February 19, 2012, 12:58:46 AM
Ladies and gents, we have a percussionist.  8-)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: rogerg on February 19, 2012, 01:42:44 AM
I need to catch up!
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: David on February 19, 2012, 10:57:09 AM
Quote from: "Pedro"
Yes indeed, nice idea. :)

I forgot to put up a little nonsense I did a week or more ago.....Spoons!! :D

Not proper spoon playing but some jiggery trying to make different sounds but all done using the spoons....like a cutlery drum kit....or "drum kit-lery".

http://http://www.box.com/s/rcrknx3m5sdpkn7u5ioe
It's brilliant, it should be a gimmick played now and then in the song!
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: El_Mayonnaise on February 19, 2012, 11:35:34 AM
Hello all!

I have a bit of a tech question for those who know about MIDI. Ready? Let's go!


So I have a Yamaha DTXpress IV and I wanted to create some "Human-but-MIDI" drums for the project. I have them connected to my laptop using a midi to usb cable and recording them using reaper. This part is fine, I can see that all the right midi's have triggered on the midi map thing (?)

However, I've tried playing it back using Kontakt player and the Pop drum kit included with the factory selection but not all the sounds are coming out. For example, say  I've hit the ride on all 8th notes per bar, the ride sample might trigger only twice?

Any ideas?  :(
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Pedro on February 19, 2012, 11:54:16 AM
So in 8 beats it plays on beat 1 and 5, perhaps?
I don't know the tools you are using but my first guess is a polyphony or (more likely) a re-triggering setting.
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: danofmayz on February 19, 2012, 11:56:37 AM
Quote from: "El_Mayonnaise"
Hello all!

I have a bit of a tech question for those who know about MIDI. Ready? Let's go!


So I have a Yamaha DTXpress IV and I wanted to create some "Human-but-MIDI" drums for the project. I have them connected to my laptop using a midi to usb cable and recording them using reaper. This part is fine, I can see that all the right midi's have triggered on the midi map thing (?)

However, I've tried playing it back using Kontakt player and the Pop drum kit included with the factory selection but not all the sounds are coming out. For example, say  I've hit the ride on all 8th notes per bar, the ride sample might trigger only twice?

Any ideas?  :(

Urrrrm... First off make sure each Kontakt instrument is set to the proper MIDI channel.

It's also possible that a load MIDI control changes are messing with the VST. Try going into event list mode and delete all of the 'non-note' events.

That's about all I can think of without 'playing' with it.
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: El_Mayonnaise on February 19, 2012, 12:37:50 PM
Thanks for the super fast response guys  :D


Pedro: Yes basically not all notes are triggering. Say I did a drum fill at a constant speed at a constant velocity, not all the notes seem to trigger. I think maybe you are on to something with the retriggering or polyphony. I opened the little Kontakt player keyboard and some of the notes are held down like a chord.....

Dan: I am fairly certain all the channels are right as I do hear the correct sounds in the correct places *some* of the time. As for the second suggestion.....huh? :P I am quite new to this (I bought the cable so I could take part in the FFCSV2) so I'm not too sure what the first bit meant. The event list mode I found but there seems to be an awful lot to delete if i understand "non-note" correctly.

EDIT

Right definitely not the input as exporting the midi file and playing that in windows media player plays every single note (even though its a nice mixture of midi piano and drums)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Pedro on February 19, 2012, 12:47:01 PM
If you could post the midi file (or a very small clip that shows the problem) somewhere, we might see some clues?
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: El_Mayonnaise on February 19, 2012, 12:54:03 PM
I've put the midi file and the rendered file in my box space.

Interestingly with the midi file, the voices change even though I'm hitting just snare, High tom, mid tom, floor tom....
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Pedro on February 19, 2012, 01:02:15 PM
Sounds like a note mapping issue. If the instrument kicks out different midi notes based on how hard you hit (can't think why it would...except for maybe a hi-hat?) You might hear the voice change? I'm guessing here. :)
I'll look at the file later.
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: El_Mayonnaise on February 19, 2012, 01:05:58 PM
Ah now that makes more sense to me. It's not a case of the note not being read by kontakt, its that the midi is sometimes mapping to other notes that are way out of the drum kit range....I think.

It's exactly this that put me off joining in with the first FFCS! Harumph!  :lol:
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Pedro on February 19, 2012, 01:18:18 PM
:)
I have Superior Drummer 2.0 and there's a template I load for it to work properly with my Roland kit so it maps everything correctly. I wonder of there is something similar for your set-up? I found out about it for my set-up via one of the VDrum forums.
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: danofmayz on February 19, 2012, 01:38:17 PM
Quote from: "Pedro"
Sounds like a note mapping issue. If the instrument kicks out different midi notes based on how hard you hit (can't think why it would...except for maybe a hi-hat?) You might hear the voice change? I'm guessing here. :)
I'll look at the file later.

Definitely, that! Only the notes with full velocity are being heard. All those with velocity under 100% aren't. I checked the part in Sibelius with 100% velocity on every note and everything was sounded.

(http://http://i.imgur.com/g2gtS.png)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Pedro on February 19, 2012, 01:57:05 PM
Weird...
The piano roll I see for that midi looks like this...
(http://http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o265/waitepb/DuffMidiDrumsPianoRoll.jpg)

...and the event list looks like this...
(http://http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o265/waitepb/DuffMidiDrumsEventList.jpg)

I'm still picking over it but the oddness includes :-
You get "Note On" messages for each hit on Channel 10, which is ok.
You also get corresponding events for "Note Off" (actually "Note On" with zero velocity which I think is supposed to amount to the same thing) messages but these are on Channel 1.
You can see in the last column that the durations for each note last until the end of the sequence, all notes overlapping on Channel 10. The "Note Off" events are having no effect (in my set-up)
There are a few non-zero velocity notes on Channel 1 as well (e.g. C4 at 00:00:07:19 with velocity 84).
When I put all the events onto a single channel, I hear the desired pattern; four beats (different pads), the same four beats again and then the four pads again but two beats on each.

Playing the midi file in Windows Media Player is useful because you hear the drum beats except for the notes on Channel 1 which are played on a piano sound.

My set-up ignores the "Note Off" ("On"+0 Vel) events and seems to prefer to use the duration data in the file.
So if I use the tweaked midi file to trigger a pad, all notes sound right to the end.

If all of this data came from your drum kit, it suggests that it has forgotten (or been re-trained) how to do stuff. A factory reset might be in order perhaps?

Apart from that, there must be information of mapping the midi from your kit to a software instrument on the web somewhere. Shouldn't be too hard to find it.
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Pedro on February 19, 2012, 02:08:43 PM
Just been reading the manual for your kit and it seems you can program the midi note and channel for each pad/trigger input. It would be worth checking that these are set correctly.
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: E.S. on February 20, 2012, 02:02:13 AM
Hmm, this sounds very strange. I don't know what it could be, I have never tried to connect MIDI drums and mapping stuff, I just plug in a keyboard, and that's it. Hope you find a solution. :)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Mikey on February 20, 2012, 06:08:04 AM
This will sort the men from the boys  :D
Pedders as usual comes up trumps
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: El_Mayonnaise on February 20, 2012, 11:39:29 AM
Cor blimey what a load to get my head around this early in the morning :D
Thanks so much for your help though. So far:

I have made sure all drum pads are channel 10.
Changed the drum kit settings to produce note off signals
Made sure all the voices are assigned to the correct midi notes.

The result so far:

It is a lot more reliable, I can now record single midi notes with ease.

However, there are occasional notes that are still getting "stuck" as if they are being held down and only really simple things can be recorded, double strokes for example just will not trigger or will only trigger the sample once.... :(
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Pedro on February 20, 2012, 01:11:04 PM
Quote from: "El_Mayonnaise"
It is a lot more reliable, I can now record single midi notes with ease.
However, there are occasional notes that are still getting "stuck" as if they are being held down and only really simple things can be recorded, double strokes for example just will not trigger or will only trigger the sample once.... :(
Interested to see the midi file after your changes.
It's also worth playing that midi file in Windows Media Player (assuming you are a windows user). This gives a hint as to where the problem is (in the drumkit or in the gear that is interpreting the file). If double strokes sound right in WMP then it might be time to look at the settings for the soft instrument?
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: El_Mayonnaise on February 20, 2012, 02:35:39 PM
Thanks Pedders, playing the midi file in WMP shows that the proper strokes aren't coming through at all. A snare roll of about 5 seconds will just get 2 snare hits at 2 seconds in and then at 4 (for example) but at least there's no piano noises now  :roll:

EDIT

Forgot the midi file, its in my file called "roll". It is *supposed* to be 2 bars of quarter notes on snare, htom, mtom, ltom and then a 3rd bar of 16ths on the same. As you will see the simple notes come out fine but the 16ths just get that first snare hit and then nothing...
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Pedro on February 20, 2012, 11:49:55 PM
Ok, the roll.mid file looks like this when I load it in Sonar...

(http://http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o265/waitepb/Roll_Midi.jpg)

When I hit "Play" I hear; "Snare, T1, T2, T3, Snare, T1, T2, T3, Snare".
I hear the same in MediaPlayer.

I was going to suggest that the doubles might be being stopped by the kit being set to have an insanely high protection against double triggering, but if that were the case, you would expect to at least hear the first hit of each of the doubles...but we only hear the snare.

The appearance of the piano roll is troubling since the first T2 hit is "never ending".
One would expect the duration of the note to be the same as all the other short notes.

If you haven't already (and you don't mind losing any custom settings), I would strongly suggest giving this beast a factory reset...

Quote from: "http://www.americanmusical.com/ItemFiles/Manual/yamaha/dtx.pdf"
Factory Reset
This operation returns all of the DTXPRESS IV’s internal settings back to their original factory defaults.
Operation
1. First, press the [SHIFT] + [SAVE/ENTER] buttons to call up the Utility pages.
2. Press the [>] button several times to call up the UTIL8 page.
3. From the
"UTIL 8
< FACTORY RESET"
page, press the [SAVE/ENTER] button to call up the prompt asking for con?rmation of the Factory Set operation.
To cancel the Factory Set operation, press any button except for the [SAVE/ENTER] and [SHIFT] buttons (the
jog dial can also be used to cancel the operation).
4. Once again, press the [SAVE/ENTER] button to proceed with the operation.
Please proceed with caution, since executing this operation will also rewrite the entire memory contents of the DTXPRESS IV (all Click Sets, User Trigger Setups 8–11, User Drum Kits 51–70, User Songs 64–83, Utility data) with the data that was set in the unit’s memory when it was shipped from the factory.

If it is still doing such odd things, it might be knackered or in need of an update (are there such things?) or in need of some *very* careful/detailed setting up.
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: El_Mayonnaise on February 21, 2012, 12:53:43 PM
I can confirm a factory reset has done nothing for the issue. Thanks for all the help but I feel my personal issue is derailing the thread a little (and potentially some of the creative processes) so I think I will the resign the midi approach.

However, I'd still love to create some "real" electric drum recordings which maybe you guys could get midified on the more realistic sounding vst's?

Onwards and progwards!  :D


EDIT

Just a quick afterthought, how much affect would a faulty midi cable have? I can't say I invested all that much in it  ;)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: E.S. on February 21, 2012, 02:21:19 PM
I wish I had some advice to offer, but I have never used anything but a single keyboard hooked up to the computer. The only bad thing I've had is double trigging, but that's because dual MIDI signals have come in, via the MIDI interface and the Fantom USB. Doesn't sound like that's happening here.
In my experience a broken cable means no signal at all. Again, I've never really had a lot of trouble, so I don't know. I missed the glorious 80's and the age of MIDI trial and error.

It would be great if you would contribute. I have a pretty extensive drum library, so sound is no problem. Superior 1 and 2, plus the Metal Foundry library. Thought about getting some of the Custom & Vintage, but.. I have too many drums already. It's mainly for demo purposes and songwriting anyway. :lol:

Or we could just use an 808 and call it a day. Or I could just get my coat. :oops:
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: El_Mayonnaise on February 21, 2012, 03:06:58 PM
I think we'll probably only need the Metal Foundry one. Does it have "Oil can snare drum" on it? Let's use that and just pitch shift it for all the drums a la Metallica :P
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Pedro on February 21, 2012, 05:52:52 PM
Fair play sir. If you would like to continue the process we can open a thread in gear corner. If you've had though that's cool.
Last volley from me then...

Broken cable? Midi cable, probably not. Kit wiring, PCB connections in the brain, possibly.
Next things to try; on single drum, see if you can get a reliable chain of beats by going slow. If you can, see how fast you can get it before it fails.
Try swapping pads and cables around? See if some combinations work?

Anyway, onwards! :)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Fogeyspasm on February 26, 2012, 12:06:28 AM
We are having pretty much the same problem with Cams Roland Kit. The midi recording misses some of the stuff he plays. Mainly snare and hi hat strokes. We are going to have a look at drum maps to see if this will help.
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Fishy on March 06, 2012, 10:08:42 PM
I suppose I should mention I'm an audio engineering student of the some repute. Also a bit of a shredder. For more details see the attached video pamphlets:

Geetar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feWYUqUkots (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feWYUqUkots)
Sequencing/arranging stuff: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UJaLp-50rc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UJaLp-50rc)

I can contribute mixing/mastering/arranging/sequencing/guitar, whatever you need really.
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Purple Tentacle on April 01, 2012, 06:44:41 PM
Does anybody know where I can find the original bits from 1976 that we heard on the EIMA DVD? I'd like to try stuff for this project as well. :)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Drarok on April 04, 2012, 12:54:20 AM
Pop the DVD in your computer, the MP3 is actually right on the disc for you to grab. :)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Purple Tentacle on April 04, 2012, 09:26:26 PM
Quote from: "Drarok"
Pop the DVD in your computer, the MP3 is actually right on the disc for you to grab. :)

I can't find it anywhere on the internet and it sucks because all my CDs are at my parent's place. I don't know when I'll go there again.
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: E.S. on April 08, 2012, 06:12:08 AM
Sorry for not taking care of the project, I'm in the middle of an album and some other time consuming musical adventures. There will be one tune released online soon, for anyone into some seriously strange and heavy music.

I promise I'll try to work on it later. In the meantime, anyone can add parts, edit, do whatever you want with what's there. Remix, then remix the remix, add bagpipes etc... :D

I do have one vision, however... this tune needs some da da da da da da da da.  8-)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Purple Tentacle on April 08, 2012, 08:34:05 PM
I must be stupid then. Because I went to my parents' place, got my CD, and popped the DVD in my computer and all I see are the instrumental tracks. Can anyone send me the damn mp3 please, it's not on my CD or DVD, and it's not anywhere on the Internet either O_o
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Pedro on April 08, 2012, 09:16:02 PM
Well the horror I'm going through right now is that my EIMA DVD is not in the right place :o ...which means it is taking part in a huge game of "hunt the orphan" somewhere in our rather large DVD collection....  :?
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Mikey on April 09, 2012, 07:53:42 AM
Quote from: "Pedro"
Well the horror I'm going through right now is that my EIMA DVD is not in the right place :o ...which means it is taking part in a huge game of "hunt the orphan" somewhere in our rather large DVD collection....  :?

I'd start by looking in all your players, & if it's not there.......why not? ;)  & that's why you've lost it
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Pedro on April 09, 2012, 09:50:39 AM
:) Quite.
When disks first appeared in our house (years ago) I managed to train the children, after a while, to NEVER just dump a disc out in the open...always put it back in the case. This last bit actually became; "always put it back in a case"....so ejected discs got put in the case of whatever the kids were about to put on...sometimes creating "chains of dis(c)placement" several discs long.
This has obviously continued into their adult life since, Daughter of Pedro just lent us series 1 and 2 of "Life on Mars" but we don't want to start watching them yet because both are missing disc 4 of 4! (She took out whatever was in the fourth slots before she brought the sets to us).
So, currently, no clue where my DVD is.... :(
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Mikey on April 10, 2012, 08:21:10 PM
Quote from: "Pedro"
:) Quite. I managed to train the children

How?

Quote from: "Pedro"
This has obviously continued into their adult life since, Daughter of Pedro just lent us series 1 and 2 of "Life on Mars" but we don't want to start watching them yet because both are missing disc 4 of 4! (She took out whatever was in the fourth slots before she brought the sets to us).(

I have them both (Not yours) if you don't find them.
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Rook on April 11, 2012, 10:27:20 AM
*puts hand up*

I'd love to join in on this if I may...

As I mentioned elsewhere, I am travelling at the moment and so about 17000 km from my gear, but I can at least have a listen so that when I get back in a few weeks I'll have an idea of where we are.

To put me in context, I am a recording engineer/producer by trade (at least I was before becoming a full time Dad and moving back to Australia). I am currently working on scoring a movie, and I have the east west complete composers collection so I could do some nice orchestral arrangements if needed. I play guitar, bass and keys, sing a little when needed, and program drums well enough for demoing ideas. Some of the older members here might have grabbed some tracks of my old band that were posted here a while back. The band was Taliesin, and the album was recorded after I had moved to the u.s. but the songs were from my tenure and I still got some writing credits.

/R
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Pedro on April 11, 2012, 12:06:05 PM
Sounds good to me. The only thing you need to stock up on is patience, these things do not move quickly. :)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Rook on April 29, 2012, 10:21:48 AM
<pokes it with a stick>
I'm totally fine with patience. Just wondering <poke, poke> if it is still alive...

/R
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Mikey on April 29, 2012, 01:05:11 PM
Quote from: "Rook"
<pokes it with a stick>
I'm totally fine with patience. Just wondering <poke, poke> if it is still alive...

/R
I think Espen said he was a little busy.
Doesn't mean you can't be working on some contributions or ideas.



.... and it's not as dormant as Roger at UPS


 :idea: can I borrow your stick?  :lol:
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Rook on April 29, 2012, 10:37:32 PM
Cool, but I thought I needed a password to get into drop box to hear what has gone before.... or am I mistaken?

Its all good though. <passes stick>

/R
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: E.S. on April 30, 2012, 12:10:30 AM
Just PM me your email address and I'll give you an invitation to the folder(s). :)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Mikey on April 30, 2012, 07:58:32 PM
Quote from: "Rook"
<passes stick>

See blog for more stick prodding, just been given some e-mail addresses for the head honcho of HR in Europe & the head honcho himself, Scott Davis.

Lets see if your stick is bigger than mine.

 :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: El_Mayonnaise on May 05, 2012, 02:04:28 PM
Right I have finished my degree! (Hoorah! Thankyou!)

So I've got all the time in the world to get stuck in this ;)

I'll be heading some stuff up soon  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: rogerg on May 05, 2012, 04:50:50 PM
grats!!
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Rook on May 07, 2012, 04:00:13 AM
Brilliant. Cheers.... And now I just have to get my head around my new Axe FX II...

:)

/R
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Rook on May 21, 2012, 01:55:39 AM
E.S. Please check your inbox...
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Rook on May 22, 2012, 03:37:01 AM
Ok, my humble submission is up. When I am on a roll I do tend to get carried away with ideas and keep plugging away until I have reached a logical endpoint. I almost didn't post this as I didn't want to seem like I am railroading the collaboration, and I know there were plans to include other themes...

Then I realized "this is prog!" This material can be deconstructed in a number of ways, or even just appear as an intact section of a 25 min epic. Thanks E.S.

The guitars are all from my Axe Fx II, which is my new toy and a fantastic bit of kit. I based it primarily around E.S.'s submisson with the addittion of DanofMay's Pocketsun section (time compressed to fit 130bpm) and the awesome Pedro spoons. I did some cutting and pasting and pitch shifting of the E.S. synth parts to make a B section, and some alternative layers to go with his parts. I uploaded mp3 files to the box account, but can up higher quality files if needed.

Oh, and just for fun I did some lyrics, but I'll leave that aside for the time being. So to reiterate, I really don't want to seem anti collaboration by taking the ball and running with it - thats just how I write. When I am on a roll, I tend to see a big picture and want to fill it out. From there I submit it to you all, and if even one idea makes it to the final piece I m a happy chappy.

If you don't want to log in to the whole box thing I put the demo up on my Soundcloud page, here: http://soundcloud.com/rook-scores/waiti ... emo-no-vox (http://soundcloud.com/rook-scores/waiting-for-frost-demo-no-vox)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Pedro on May 22, 2012, 07:12:11 AM
Wowzers, that's good stuff, well played sir. :)
Love the B section, has a proper Frost*ie feel to it.
Don't worry about getting carried away, it's a good thing, wish it would happen more often for me.
Need to try to find some time to play with this project again.
Thanks for sharing that.
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: E.S. on May 22, 2012, 10:15:32 AM
Definitely great. :D I think we should use a lot of it for the 1976-ish part of the song. Somehow get that other theme in there as well, it's gonna be great.

And yes, no time limit on these tunes, throw all ideas in there and we'll make a collective decision. This might not even be the start of the song, who knows? :)

Wish I had some time too, I got some nice ideas now. Things are a bit busier than I expected, but it will calm down.
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Rook on May 23, 2012, 12:52:51 AM
Thanks for the kind words. I did some lyrics that would fit, just for giggles. Not submitting it for he "actual" song, just to amuse some fellow frosties. I tried recording it, but... I'm not really a singer. Anyway, 'twas just for fun.

"Waiting for the Frost"

Something happened to my mind
Not prepared for what I'd find
If you listen for a little bit
You wouldn't settle for other people's shit

Waiting for the frost to fall
It won't take very long at all

I am waiting for the next report
But all my searching, it all comes down to naught
It all breaks down, fundamentally
To a man with a biscuit and a cup of tea

Waiting for the frost to fall
I think somebody isn't on the ball
I bang my head against the wall
Waiting for the frost to fall

And the rest of it was variations of the chorus. Apologies to Jem; I know he is on the ball, it is all just in fun :)

/R
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: danofmayz on May 23, 2012, 07:40:59 PM
Quote from: "Rook"
I based it primarily around E.S.'s submisson with the addittion of DanofMay's Pocketsun section (time compressed to fit 130bpm) and the awesome Pedro spoons.

Cool, good work! I like ES's idea mixed with my "Pocket Sun" section. Works well.  :D
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Mikey on May 24, 2012, 09:42:30 PM
Quote from: "Rook"
Ok, my humble submission is up. When I am on a roll I do tend to get carried away with ideas and keep plugging away until I have reached a logical endpoint.

Permission to roll granted

Quote from: "Rook"
If you don't want to log in to the whole box thing I put the demo up on my Soundcloud page, here: http://soundcloud.com/rook-scores/waiti ... emo-no-vox (http://soundcloud.com/rook-scores/waiting-for-frost-demo-no-vox)

Can you make it downloadable?
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Rook on May 25, 2012, 03:45:52 AM
Quote from: "Mikey"
Can you make it downloadable?

Done. Sorry, I thought I had, but I guess I didn't hit "save".
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Rook on June 17, 2012, 02:11:12 AM
BTW is there any way I can hear FFCS 1?

/R
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Mikey on June 17, 2012, 09:11:11 AM
Quote from: "Rook"
BTW is there any way I can hear FFCS 1?

/R

Yes  :D




Will find you the thread
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Mikey on June 17, 2012, 09:13:39 AM
Voila

http://http://www.box.com/ffcs#/ffcs/%5Bobject%20...%20/159574117
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Rook on June 18, 2012, 01:33:31 AM
Smashing!

Thanks Mikey,

/R
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Mikey on June 18, 2012, 08:11:07 PM
Quote from: "Rook"
Smashing!

Thanks Mikey,

/R

Snow problem, glad to help
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: E.S. on June 18, 2012, 11:05:43 PM
Quote from: "Mikey"
Snow problem
(http://http://www.ganderbeacon.ca/media/photos/unis/2011/03/01/photo_1371543_resize.jpg)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Pedro on June 18, 2012, 11:32:27 PM
"When the avalanche hit, my wife was standing right there."
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Mikey on June 20, 2012, 09:40:44 PM
Quote from: "E.S."
(http://http://www.ganderbeacon.ca/media/photos/unis/2011/03/01/photo_1371543_resize.jpg)
Where's the beard gone?
& you were smaller
& thinner

Guess it isn't you  ;)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Jim Takacs on June 24, 2012, 07:27:31 PM
Quote from: "Pedro"
"When the avalanche hit, my wife was standing right there."
OK, This Made me Laugh out loud!  YAH know, LOL!    ;)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: E.S. on June 26, 2012, 09:11:59 PM
Hopefully there will be more time to deal with this project later. I'm knee deep in album recordings, gigs, piano practice and writing. Expect a VERY heavy prog metal album by After Eternity sometime this year (hopefully). Warning: May contain overplaying, drop-A tuning and the occasional intentional prog cliché. Also a lyrical concept.  ;)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Rook on June 26, 2012, 10:11:32 PM
Cool, looking forward to hearing that!
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Mikey on June 27, 2012, 05:53:27 AM
Quote from: "E.S."
Hopefully there will be more time to deal with this project later. I'm knee deep in album recordings, gigs, piano practice and writing. Expect a VERY heavy prog metal album by After Eternity sometime this year (hopefully). Warning: May contain overplaying, drop-A tuning and the occasional intentional prog cliché. Also a lyrical concept.  ;)
No change there then  :D
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Drarok on June 28, 2012, 11:16:44 PM
Quote from: "E.S."
Hopefully there will be more time to deal with this project later. I'm knee deep in album recordings, gigs, piano practice and writing. Expect a VERY heavy prog metal album by After Eternity sometime this year (hopefully). Warning: May contain overplaying, drop-A tuning and the occasional intentional prog cliché. Also a lyrical concept.  ;)
Drop-A? Pah! I'm currently in drop-E  :o :shock: :twisted:
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: EvilDragon on July 11, 2012, 09:17:49 AM
Quote from: "Rook"
If you don't want to log in to the whole box thing I put the demo up on my Soundcloud page, here: http://soundcloud.com/rook-scores/waiti ... emo-no-vox (http://soundcloud.com/rook-scores/waiting-for-frost-demo-no-vox)

Hey this is pretty catchy! Nice work!
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Rook on July 11, 2012, 08:00:48 PM
Thanks :)

Though I would credit E.S. with the catchy stuff...

/R
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: E.S. on July 24, 2012, 07:54:35 AM
This singer would love to join our fabulous orchestra.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtOvd0QJjaM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtOvd0QJjaM)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: danofmayz on September 16, 2012, 06:55:07 PM
Just to let everyone know, box.net now have a Dropbox-style desktop sync for Mac and Windows. See here - http://https://www.box.com/download-box-sync/?email=%253Cspan%2520class=eloquaemail%253EEmailAddress%253C/span%253E

Hazaaaa!
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: johninblack on September 16, 2012, 11:36:06 PM
Quote from: "E.S."
This singer would love to join our fabulous orchestra.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtOvd0QJjaM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtOvd0QJjaM)
He sings about a million times better than me!
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: EvenstarMusic on December 24, 2012, 10:22:21 AM
Not sure if it goes here but, what the heck...just a quickie to say how wonderful to open 24 on the Advent Calendar and find FFCS in all its glory. Thanks for that you very talented people.

Merry Christmas to one and all.

Paul
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: johninblack on December 24, 2012, 02:14:40 PM
Quote from: "EvenstarMusic"
Not sure if it goes here but, what the heck...
Good attitude :) Is it in the right place? maybe yes, maybe no. Still, not gonna move it.
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: tigermoth on February 28, 2014, 05:35:55 PM
Evenin' all! I saw this thread and it seemed a cracking idea. I haven't read all the pages propperly, but a bit of keyboard stuff came to my mind when I heard the rif so I got it down. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/14720207/Waiting_For_Frost_demo_Some_Keyboard_Ideas.mp3 I'm afraid I don't got no soundcloud working yet so I hope this is ok for you chaps. I know your looking for vocals but my bit might come in useful somewhere. :) Hope you liky, and this is a great thread. :o)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: tigermoth on February 28, 2014, 06:32:00 PM
Hahaha. I've just looked more closely at this and seen when the last reply was posted, so I guess it's perhaps not a going concern at the mo! Lol. Not only that, but now having read the rest of the thread I now think my bit sounds totally inappropriate to what you guys were working towards. Never mind, I enjoyed myself and it might be of some use one never knows. :) Sounds like the makings of an epic.
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Pedro on March 03, 2014, 09:57:28 PM
:)
Yes, this 'ere ship rather ran aground when Cap'n E.S. got far too busy to take it on.

The first effort was a success because we had someone with the skill and will ("skwill"?) to drive it forward (the mighty Ron).

I don't suppose it's really dead...and the direction we were going is only really just that - not the whole trip.

I like what you have done, it's that injection of fresh "what??" that contributes to the joy of such endeavours and you begin to hear something altogether more interesting and inspiring. 

Thanks for sharing that. Who knows, someone might take hold of the wheel one day.
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: tigermoth on March 03, 2014, 11:16:44 PM
Thanks Pedro. Glad you liked it. Yes indeed the skwill can be hard to come by sometimes. Well I had a bit of fun doing it and it made me realise how badly I need to practice my scales so that's a good thing. We'll see what the future brings. You said the previous colab was a success. Is that on the forum somewhere? i'd be interested to hear it. Cheers.
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Pedro on March 04, 2014, 12:29:04 AM
Actually, that's a good question. Not sure where it is "out in the open", as it were. I was able to grab it from the original Box account.

So, now you can find a copy of the track here :- http://soundcloud.com/user9295287/frost-forum-collaboration-song

A picture showing the track arrangement and credits here :- http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o265/waitepb/FFCS13imagefile_zps434bd49a.png (http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o265/waitepb/FFCS13imagefile_zps434bd49a.png)

...and you can watch a video of the tracks playing here :- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2MsK1VbleI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2MsK1VbleI) (watch in HD if you can)

Perhaps it could do with not repeating quite as much as it does but there are things about every bit that I think work really well.

There's a huge thread about it here :-  http://frostmusic.net/forum/index.php?topic=2030.0 (http://frostmusic.net/forum/index.php?topic=2030.0)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Drarok on March 04, 2014, 01:27:09 PM
I was shocked to discover this wasn't in my hoard! I've added it now (http://drarok.com/frost/files/view/Frost%20Forum%20Collab%20Song), I might mirror the submissions when I get home, too (my 'net is faster there).
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: L33VEY on March 04, 2014, 08:54:53 PM
4 plays and 3 likes so far - come on - own up.....   ;D
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Mikey on March 05, 2014, 12:28:08 PM
4 plays and 3 likes so far - come on - own up.....   ;D
I may have liked it  :)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: tigermoth on March 06, 2014, 08:27:52 PM
I do like it indeed but I didn't press the like button as didn't see it. Just to clarify i'm blind and use a screen reader so I sometimes miss things. But I do indeed like it. Lol. I love the reworking going on and its a wonderful tribute to the frostiness. I particularly like the keyboard player whoever that maybe, but then I am one also so that figures I guess. Once again this makes me think I could do with some practice! Any hoo, its a great achievement, and I can now appreciate the potensial work involved if we were to try and replicate something of the same detail and complexity. That said, prog doesn't always have to be complex. There is more than one way to progress a cat. Well done to everyone involved in both these projects. Inspiring stuff. :)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Mikey on March 07, 2014, 01:54:28 PM
Just to clarify i'm blind and use a screen reader
You'll be needing our braille font then, like this










See?
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Jim Takacs on March 24, 2015, 08:47:39 PM
Any Update here??  Stumbled upon my parts for the FFCS1 yesterday and was curious about #2..  If Jem wont throw us some more crumbs, we could at least pick the grain for our own bread, No?  Ill go squeeze a cloud for the water...  :)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: tigermoth on March 24, 2015, 11:36:54 PM
Lol. Only just seen that. Clear as mud.
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: Mikey on March 25, 2015, 12:06:35 PM
Odd, the original forum track came up on random play the other day, a pleasant surprise  :)
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: BlindFate on May 31, 2017, 11:57:08 PM
Just stumbled upon this thread...

I'd love to jump on board if this project is at all still alive and kicking?

It just so happens I've been working on my own special version of 1976...
Title: Re: Frost* Forum Collab Song v.2
Post by: tigermoth on June 05, 2017, 08:19:09 PM
Holey s--t. Hard to believe it was over three years ago since I posted on this thread. How time flies and what a crazy three years it's been in so many ways. :)