I've been forced to listen to Milliontown a lot lately :roll: and it has been brought to my attention by No 1 son that the buzzing sound in The Other Me sounds just like a bee trapped in an envelope (or something). Is this true? ;)
Yeah that sound is awesome. I'd like to know how it was created...
I know you can achieve some sort of effect on a synth with double modulation or something. Where you route one LFO to another and that LFO to something else. I never really got the grasp of it.
I guess Jem had to build a long lasting relationship with a fly based on mutual respect and love for beer, wine and biscuits. Then he trained the fly to hover around a mic. :lol:
Catching a fly under a class is much easier.
What i like to know is how Jem created that stuttering electric digital sounds that he also used on the fly.
Tis wasps! Wasps woman!
As for the stuttering stuff, I chose wasps with stammers. ;)
You didn't really record a wasp now did you?
(please say you didn't :lol:)
Quote from: "Pajter"You didn't really record a wasp now did you?
(please say you didn't :lol:)
fie! non-believer!!!
:twisted:
There was a guy called Dennis Smalley who made some great tape-based experimental music in the early 80s. Found out about him through a double-credit music production unit I took on my maths degree (go figure) and the lecturer knew him.
One of the pieces had this very effect in it, and DS was asked how he did it.
"I went to the biology lab and got some etherised flies. I glued the leg of one to a lolly stick with spirit gum and waited for it to wake up. I waved the stick around between two mics with headphones on to get the effect I wanted. At the end, quick dab of Isopropyl alcohol on the leg and away it flew.
But remember to do that final bit outdoors or you've got a fly stuck in your precious studio for days!"
Yeah then the next thing ya know they'll be buzzing around getting into everything
and wanting to play the drums and stuff. not in my studio!
Quote from: "EVP"Yeah then the next thing ya know they'll be buzzing around getting into everything
and wanting to play the drums and stuff. not in my studio!
I don't know, they do have six limbs! might give Andy a run for his money!
EVP, I find your bottom a bit disturbing! Sorry :?
Recording bees and wasps, that's very experimental and interesting. I think I'll investigate some more, so pardon me while I do some swatting.
Jem you know well I figured out how you made that sound, can I tell them? :D
I think Jem offered the wasp a very big biscuit like this:
(a cool album btw)
(//http://www.yellowjackets.com/discography/images//politics.jpg)
And than he went to this website:
http://www.nsf.gov/discoveries/disc_ima ... 97&org=BIO (http://www.nsf.gov/discoveries/disc_images.jsp?cntn_id=111497&org=BIO)
:D
Yes Serfox, please tell us!
Quote from: "Bokkie"And than he went to this website:
http://www.nsf.gov/discoveries/disc_ima ... 97&org=BIO (http://www.nsf.gov/discoveries/disc_images.jsp?cntn_id=111497&org=BIO)
:D
This might be heresy but I'm more interested in that article about wasps than how the sound came to be made.
Non techies, proceed with caution.
The wasp sounds scattered around the song 'The Other Me' are from one of the samples built into one of the modules in a program called Reason. Quite simply, he's taken the sample, applied some dynamics to it and thrown it in the piece. The beautiful part comes at the very end, which puzzles most, where the wasps sound like they've just entered the Large Hadron Collider and sound like they've melded into each other. This is achieved within the 'Malstrom Graintable Synthesiser'. The term 'graintable' is a malformation (Hah) of two words, granular and wavetable. In short, the synth unit uses both these concepts to generate it's sounds. Granular comes from Granular synthesis, which is the process of taking tiny fragments, or grains, of sound, and repeating them and morphing them. Wavetable synthesis is basically a bunch of waves stuck on a chip, or in this case virtually, and played back.
The ending of The Other Me uses the wave used throughout the piece, called 'Flies' (HAH! They aren't wasps now, are they? >: ) ) and in the last section, the 'Motion', or number of grains of the sound played through, is reduced until it becomes a single, continuous grain, and then the pitch is dropped down a couple octaves. For you kids at home I've replicated the ending for you to listen to. No extra charge.
As a final note, I'm sure this is all very complicated, and I'm almost certain Jem only used that strange morphing effect at the end because he tweaked a knob and it sounded nice.
Ok....thats a complicated story. I only use Protools, so if i take a mini bit of a waveform duplicate it and make sure there's space in between them, than i could create a similar effect? (except for the morphing, phasing ect.).
I found an interesting site about hornets:
http://www.vespa-crabro.com/ (http://www.vespa-crabro.com/)
I thought I'd heard an interview with Jem where he explained that they were real wasps and how he'd recorded them and treated the sound.
Must've imagined that one. I'll go back to sleep.
Quote from: "catherine"I thought I'd heard an interview with Jem where he explained that they were real wasps and how he'd recorded them and treated the sound.
Must've imagined that one. I'll go back to sleep.
I thought it was a real wasp too, so you can wake up again :)
It turned out to be a sample .....bummer. :(
Haha, it's just like a magician explaining how a trick works.
I could get in trouble, actually :lol:
Quote from: "SerFox"Haha, it's just like a magician explaining how a trick works.
I could get in trouble, actually :lol:
You better watch out SerFox - Jem could already have dispatched the Frost*ie Goons to your location... :twisted:
Never mind that though, did you know that a brightly-coloured fish which bounces along the seabed has been hailed as a new species by scientists - who have dubbed it "psychedelica". There is a rather lovely video of it in action here. (//http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/02/090227-psychedelic-fish-video-vin.html)
Research published in the US scientific journal Copeia says the fish was spotted by scuba divers off the island of Ambon in eastern Indonesia. It belongs to the frogfish family, but its looks are unique even among its peers, the journal reported. The question with this new discovery is how it went unnoticed for so long.
The new psychedelica frogfish is completely covered in swirling concentric stripes - white and blue on a peach background - radiating out from its aqua-coloured eyes. It has a broad flat face, thick fleshy cheeks and chin, and eyes that look forward like a human's.
The fish was spotted by divers off the coast of Ambon island last year. The divers described it moving away from them in a series of short hops, its pelvic fins pushing it off the sea bed with each bounce. "The overall impression" says the Copeia research paper, was of "an inflated rubber ball bouncing along the bottom".
The species was first discovered almost 20 years ago, but sat on a shelf - wrongly labelled and gathering dust - until this most recent find.
It came to light when the divers were unable to identify the fish from photographs circulated among their colleagues, and sent pictures to a frogfish expert at the University of Washington.
Quote from: "Mouse"Quote from: "SerFox"Haha, it's just like a magician explaining how a trick works.
I could get in trouble, actually :lol:
You better watch out SerFox - Jem could already have dispatched the Frost*ie Goons to your location... :twisted:
Things are more sophisticated these days....Jem will send Frost*'s legal goons....Eccles, Bloodnock & Bannister Ltd. :)
Quote from: "Pedro"Quote from: "Mouse"Quote from: "SerFox"Haha, it's just like a magician explaining how a trick works.
I could get in trouble, actually :lol:
You better watch out SerFox - Jem could already have dispatched the Frost*ie Goons to your location... :twisted:
Things are more sophisticated these days....Jem will send Frost*'s legal goons....Eccles, Bloodnock & Bannister Ltd. :)
*Readies the custard cream cannon*
Quote from: "SerFox"Quote from: "Pedro"Quote from: "Mouse"Quote from: "SerFox"Haha, it's just like a magician explaining how a trick works.
I could get in trouble, actually :lol:
You better watch out SerFox - Jem could already have dispatched the Frost*ie Goons to your location... :twisted:
Things are more sophisticated these days....Jem will send Frost*'s legal goons....Eccles, Bloodnock & Bannister Ltd. :)
*Readies the custard cream cannon*
:lol:
He's fallen in the water!
Quote from: "SerFox"Non techies, proceed with caution.
The wasp sounds scattered around the song 'The Other Me' are from one of the samples built into one of the modules in a program called Reason. Quite simply, he's taken the sample, applied some dynamics to it and thrown it in the piece. The beautiful part comes at the very end, which puzzles most, where the wasps sound like they've just entered the Large Hadron Collider and sound like they've melded into each other. This is achieved within the 'Malstrom Graintable Synthesiser'. The term 'graintable' is a malformation (Hah) of two words, granular and wavetable. In short, the synth unit uses both these concepts to generate it's sounds. Granular comes from Granular synthesis, which is the process of taking tiny fragments, or grains, of sound, and repeating them and morphing them. Wavetable synthesis is basically a bunch of waves stuck on a chip, or in this case virtually, and played back.
The ending of The Other Me uses the wave used throughout the piece, called 'Flies' (HAH! They aren't wasps now, are they? >: ) ) and in the last section, the 'Motion', or number of grains of the sound played through, is reduced until it becomes a single, continuous grain, and then the pitch is dropped down a couple octaves. For you kids at home I've replicated the ending for you to listen to. No extra charge.
As a final note, I'm sure this is all very complicated, and I'm almost certain Jem only used that strange morphing effect at the end because he tweaked a knob and it sounded nice.
That's nuts! Thanks very much for the info, I need to try that out in reason. How did you figure out how he did that? Is this Malstrom Graintable Synthesis majig something that's easily used in Reason?
Quote from: "Steve"Quote from: "SerFox"Non techies, proceed with caution.
The wasp sounds scattered around the song 'The Other Me' are from one of the samples built into one of the modules in a program called Reason. Quite simply, he's taken the sample, applied some dynamics to it and thrown it in the piece. The beautiful part comes at the very end, which puzzles most, where the wasps sound like they've just entered the Large Hadron Collider and sound like they've melded into each other. This is achieved within the 'Malstrom Graintable Synthesiser'. The term 'graintable' is a malformation (Hah) of two words, granular and wavetable. In short, the synth unit uses both these concepts to generate it's sounds. Granular comes from Granular synthesis, which is the process of taking tiny fragments, or grains, of sound, and repeating them and morphing them. Wavetable synthesis is basically a bunch of waves stuck on a chip, or in this case virtually, and played back.
The ending of The Other Me uses the wave used throughout the piece, called 'Flies' (HAH! They aren't wasps now, are they? >: ) ) and in the last section, the 'Motion', or number of grains of the sound played through, is reduced until it becomes a single, continuous grain, and then the pitch is dropped down a couple octaves. For you kids at home I've replicated the ending for you to listen to. No extra charge.
As a final note, I'm sure this is all very complicated, and I'm almost certain Jem only used that strange morphing effect at the end because he tweaked a knob and it sounded nice.
That's nuts! Thanks very much for the info, I need to try that out in reason. How did you figure out how he did that? Is this Malstrom Graintable Synthesis majig something that's easily used in Reason?
Easy to use, hard to master. After a lecture on Granular synthesis in my Music Technology class I had a poke with the preset waves and mangled the motion of them, and managed to successfully replicate the much discussed 'Got my jar of wasps right here' sound on the Twang show. :P
Quote from: "Mouse"Quote from: "SerFox"Haha, it's just like a magician explaining how a trick works.
I could get in trouble, actually :lol:
You better watch out SerFox - Jem could already have dispatched the Frost*ie Goons to your location... :twisted:
<receives text>
<dusts off wand>
:twisted:
Quote from: "SerFox"-snip-
As a final note, I'm sure this is all very complicated, and I'm almost certain Jem only used that strange morphing effect at the end because he tweaked a knob and it sounded nice.
That is some serious detective work! Kudos to you my friend.
Henceforth you shall be known as Inspector Frost*!
PadumTSH! :D
Quote from: "Pajter"Quote from: "SerFox"-snip-
As a final note, I'm sure this is all very complicated, and I'm almost certain Jem only used that strange morphing effect at the end because he tweaked a knob and it sounded nice.
That is some serious detective work! Kudos to you my friend.
Henceforth you shall be known as Inspector Frost*!
PadumTSH! :D
It'll take more than flattery to learn the secret of how he
really plays those widdly solo's on the albums.
I'll give you a hint, you put Pro Tools into Grid mode...
I wasn't trying to flatter you, lol. Just acknowledging the good detective work. :P
About those solo's. I've given up trying to learn the secret, as soon as I heard 'em. WAY out of my league. ;)
Quote from: "Pajter"I wasn't trying to flatter you, lol. Just acknowledging the good detective work. :P
Ask Pedro what I mean ;)
Quote from: "SerFox"Quote from: "Pajter"I wasn't trying to flatter you, lol. Just acknowledging the good detective work. :P
Ask Pedro what I mean ;)
LOL
Quote from: "Pedro"Quote from: "SerFox"Ask Pedro what I mean ;)
LOL
Spill it! :lol:
LOL
Couldn't possibly....
Ah come on. I'm sure it can't be that bad? :P
No, really, I couldn't....I don't really know exactly what Serfox is driving at! :D
Ahh anti-climax. :P
Quote from: "Pajter"Ahh anti-climax. :P
still better than none! ;)
[watches from sidelines, puzzled]
Come on SerFox, what were you getting at? Do tell...
Yes, SerFox give us the magic protools trick.
Enough about that, did you know that the apple is the pomaceous fruit of the apple tree, species Malus domestica in the rose family Rosaceae. It is one of the most widely cultivated tree fruits. The tree is small and deciduous, reaching 3 to 12 metres (9.8 to 39 ft) tall, with a broad, often densely twiggy crown. The leaves are alternately arranged simple ovals 5 to 12 cm long and 3–6 centimetres (1.2–2.4 in) broad on a 2 to 5 centimetres (0.79 to 2.0 in) petiole with an acute tip, serrated margin and a slightly downy underside. Blossoms are produced in spring simultaneously with the budding of the leaves. The flowers are white with a pink tinge that gradually fades, five petaled, and 2.5 to 3.5 centimetres (0.98 to 1.4 in) in diameter. The fruit matures in autumn, and is typically 5 to 9 centimetres (2.0 to 3.5 in) diameter. The center of the fruit contains five carpels arranged in a five-point star, each carpel containing one to three seeds.
The tree originated from Central Asia, where its wild ancestor is still found today. There are more than 7,500 known cultivars of apples resulting in range of desired characteristics. Cultivars vary in their yield and the ultimate size of the tree, even when grown on the same rootstock.
At least 55 million tonnes of apples were grown worldwide in 2005, with a value of about $10 billion. China produced about 35% of this total.[3] The United States is the second leading producer, with more than 7.5% of the world production. Turkey, France, Italy and Iran are also among the leading apple exporters.
I say, good shot sir!
*applauds vigorously
:lol:
We're not getting into the apple vs pc debate here are we?
:lol:
No, it's more tasteful....like "PC and whine :cry: " versus "Mac and cheese :mrgreen: " isn't it?
Quote from: "SerFox"The center of the fruit contains five carpels arranged in a five-point star, each carpel containing one to three seeds.
Five point star? Apples contain Frost*erisks?! :shock:
Indeed , Malus sylvestris, from the family Rosaceae.
Other names: Apple(UK) Apfelbaum(Germany) Pommier(France) Melo(italy)
Description: the heart is brown-reddish sometimes with a purple glow. The sapwood is gray-reddish. Apple is hard and rigid wood.
wood fibre: straight - cross fibre. Grain: fine. Volume mass: 680 (540-810) Kg/m3 at 12% moisture content. Apple wood has the tendency to deform greatly while drying. Drying slowly is recommended.
Interesting...
Quote from: "Pajter"Interesting...
Indeed it is...ever tried to make a guitar out of apple wood? I won't recommend it.
Quote from: "Bokkie"Quote from: "Pajter"Interesting...
Indeed it is...ever tried to make a guitar out of apple wood? I won't recommend it.
I wouldn't either, although Ikea seem to use it as standard. ;)
I thought they were mainly purveyors of birch?
I was actually referring to their employees... ;)
(Good God, if anyone here is an employee of Ikea or is a friend of someone who is an employee of Ikea, then I whole-heartedly and sincerely apologise for my above comment and apologise once more. A luxury biscuit tin will be dispatched to your location immediately.)
Quote from: "Mouse"I was actually referring to their employees... ;)
(Good God, if anyone here is an employee of Ikea or is a friend of someone who is an employee of Ikea, then I whole-heartedly and sincerely apologise for my above comment and apologise once more. A luxury biscuit tin will be dispatched to your location immediately.)
oh yeah! I work for ikea! uh yeah, sure, I do, really. oh, many years now.
yeah, ask anyone.
yep, me and ikea. we're tight.
8-)
lol :lol:
my cousin designs for ikea. Does that count?
Enough of that, did you know that the banana fruit grows in hanging clusters, with up to 20 fruit to a tier (called a hand), and 3-20 tiers to a bunch? The total of the hanging clusters is known as a bunch, or commercially as a "banana stem", and can weigh from 30–50 kg. The fruit averages 125 g, of which approximately 75% is water and 25% dry matter content. Each individual fruit (known as a banana or 'finger') has a protective outer layer (a peel or skin) with a fleshy edible inner portion. Both skin and inner part can be eaten raw or cooked. Western cultures generally eat the inside raw and throw away the skin while some Asian cultures generally eat both the skin and inside cooked. Typically, the fruit has numerous strings (called 'phloem bundles') which run between the skin and inner part. Bananas are a valuable source of vitamin B6, vitamin C, and potassium.
Bananas are grown in at least 107 countries. In popular culture and commerce, "banana" usually refers to soft, sweet "dessert" bananas. The bananas from a group of cultivars with firmer, starchier fruit are called plantains. Bananas may also be cut and dried and eaten as a type of chip. Dried bananas are also ground into banana flour.
Although the wild species have fruits with numerous large, hard seeds, virtually all culinary bananas have seedless fruits. Bananas are classified either as dessert bananas (meaning they are yellow and fully ripe when eaten) or as green cooking bananas. Almost all export bananas are of the dessert types; however, only about 10-15% of all production is for export, with the United States and European Union being the dominant buyers.
(//http://ihasahotdog.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/funny-dog-pictures-why-so-serious.jpg)
Quote from: "Mouse"Quote from: "Bokkie"Quote from: "Pajter"Interesting...
Indeed it is...ever tried to make a guitar out of apple wood? I won't recommend it.
I wouldn't either, although Ikea seem to use it as standard. ;)
Ah, yes, the apple wood guitar "Spela". (:-)
Quote from: "Mouse"Enough of that, did you know that the banana fruit grows in hanging clusters, with up to 20 fruit to a tier (called a hand), and 3-20 tiers to a bunch? The total of the hanging clusters is known as a bunch, or commercially as a "banana stem", and can weigh from 30–50 kg. The fruit averages 125 g, of which approximately 75% is water and 25% dry matter content. Each individual fruit (known as a banana or 'finger') has a protective outer layer (a peel or skin) with a fleshy edible inner portion. Both skin and inner part can be eaten raw or cooked. Western cultures generally eat the inside raw and throw away the skin while some Asian cultures generally eat both the skin and inside cooked. Typically, the fruit has numerous strings (called 'phloem bundles') which run between the skin and inner part. Bananas are a valuable source of vitamin B6, vitamin C, and potassium.
Bananas are grown in at least 107 countries. In popular culture and commerce, "banana" usually refers to soft, sweet "dessert" bananas. The bananas from a group of cultivars with firmer, starchier fruit are called plantains. Bananas may also be cut and dried and eaten as a type of chip. Dried bananas are also ground into banana flour.
Although the wild species have fruits with numerous large, hard seeds, virtually all culinary bananas have seedless fruits. Bananas are classified either as dessert bananas (meaning they are yellow and fully ripe when eaten) or as green cooking bananas. Almost all export bananas are of the dessert types; however, only about 10-15% of all production is for export, with the United States and European Union being the dominant buyers.
I'm glad you posted that because I actually have a banana tree! 8-)
Quote from: "Nellie"I'm glad you posted that because I actually have a banana tree! 8-)
Cool. So is that epic Tinyfish track actually all about a time when your crop failed? (Banana crop, not the riding variety....or the hardressing variety....)
Quote from: "Pedro"Quote from: "Nellie"I'm glad you posted that because I actually have a banana tree! 8-)
Cool. So is that epic Tinyfish track actually all about a time when your crop failed? (Banana crop, not the riding variety....or the hardressing variety....)
You crazy fool! :lol:
<3 Big Banana
In South Africa they use the banana to lubricate the gearbox from cars, so i'm told.
(//http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/1354/bananag.gif)
Quote from: "Pajter"(//http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/1354/bananag.gif)
:lol: Can we make that an official Forum emoticon please?
Quote from: "Bokkie"I think Jem offered the wasp a very big biscuit like this:
(a cool album btw)
(//http://www.yellowjackets.com/discography/images//politics.jpg)
And than he went to this website:
http://www.nsf.gov/discoveries/disc_ima ... 97&org=BIO (http://www.nsf.gov/discoveries/disc_images.jsp?cntn_id=111497&org=BIO)
:D
Wow - didn't expect to find other Yellowjackets fans here ! :P
No doubt you're already aware that said insect in that picture is in fact a hornet not wasp.
Fats.
Quote from: "Fat Bastard"Wow - didn't expect to find other Yellowjackets fans here ! :P
Fats.
/raises hand
welcome, FB!