Well, the live album is about 50% finished and sounding jolly good I must say considering it's my first attempt at a live album. There's about 1 hour 45 of material -
Intro
Hyperventilate
The Forget You Song
Falling Down
EIMA
Black Light Machine
Milliontown
Saline
No Me No You
Snowman
The Other Me
Pocket Sun
Wonderland
Dear Dead Days
Obviously only so much of this will fit on a CD so there'll be a limited edition CD for sale at the Dream Theater gigs much like we did with Spock's last year that will have the tracks that don't get on the main live album plus hopefully a couple of other goodies if there's time.
The main CD will also have a 45 minute Frost report on an accompanying DVD. There'll also be 4, possibly 5 extra Frost B-sides like The Forget You Song, 1976, New World and so on and will be available from Inside Out and all the usual places.
So all in all, it should be a properly Frosty summer! :D
Night all.
Woah a summer release? That is just too good to be true!
Thanks Jem! :D
Whoa! There will be buying!! :D
Thanks for doing all this. :)
Sir, we salute you as we lick our lips. In some countries, that would be taken quite the wrong way.
But, may I humbly suggest a double live CD album rather than the split release? I mean, some folk won't be able to make it to the summer DT gigs, plus one continuous set together seems altogether more satisfying ...
I'd buy it in a flash, double-CD and DVD, honest injun.
I think it might be safe to assume that there will be disks available after the shows, as happened last time.
However, my first thought was "ooh a double" and I know I won't be able to resist buying any or all versions/formats! :)
+ 1 :D
Quote from: "Pedro"I think it might be safe to assume that there will be disks available after the shows, as happened last time.
However, my first thought was "ooh a double" and I know I won't be able to resist buying any or all versions/formats! :)
You're probably right, Pedro; I'm just being impatient ... :D
On the other hand, waiting could be seen as Epicurean kinetic pleasure, which under some intepretations, my good friend Mr Google assures me, can be seen as experiencing pleasure and pain simultaneously.
Indeed, there's a suggested name and philosophical avenue for Frost*3: Epicurean Kinetic Pleasure ... hmmm, p'raps a somewhat limited market for that ... ;)
I've got it, picture this:
A 3D telephone box with a hinged door with a double CD and DVD inside, also a likkle shelf that you can put a real mobile phone inside, or even.............. yep, a pack of fig biscuits!!! we could have them all over the world on frostie* sideboards, they'll become collectors items and be worth a fortune in years to come.
I'm excited now, he he ha ha, I can feel a prototype coming. I'll post it once it's done, i'll let you have the rights Jem, a great idea shared is a gift to humanity.
Quote from: "Trapezium Artist"Epicurean kinetic pleasure
...sounds more like pickle abuse to me.... :shock: ;)
That's just kinky, Pedro!
Yum! Can't wait for the Leeds gig - more so now! :D
I hope the Lt. Ed. CD only comes with one cover this time. I got a bit too obsessed with getting "the right one" last year.
A thought - a download release does not need to be confined to the running time of a CD. Couldn't the tracks that are going to be left off of the CD be included on a download release to create a complete show? Priced accordingly to account for the extra tracks, of course.
I hope Jem doesn't throw stale cakes at me for trying to add to his workload... :(
Quote from: "Pedro"Quote from: "Trapezium Artist"Epicurean kinetic pleasure
...sounds more like pickle abuse to me.... :shock: ;)
You're lucky, Pedders. i had visions of Clive Barker's little delight "Hellraiser" when TA wrote that.
Mind you, in my case, I suspect it's nothing that twenty or so years in a teaching hospital under a decent team of psychiatrists couldn't sort out.
Quote from: "Geetar"Quote from: "Pedro"Quote from: "Trapezium Artist"Epicurean kinetic pleasure
...sounds more like pickle abuse to me.... :shock: ;)
You're lucky, Pedders. i had visions of Clive Barker's little delight "Hellraiser" when TA wrote that.
Mind you, in my case, I suspect it's nothing that twenty or so years in a teaching hospital under a decent team of psychiatrists couldn't sort out.
Hmmm, three words, many more interpretations: pleased to be of provocation :D
Whichever way Jem decides to release this show, I'll buy.
A whole package would be awesome, but come on. He's working so hard already. :shock:
I sure hope there will be "tour" cd's left after the gigs. I would really love to get one, to complete the whole show/experience.
yay!
one of each for me, please.
Quote from: "Jem"Well, the live album is about 50% finished and sounding jolly good I must say considering it's my first attempt at a live album. There's about 1 hour 45 of material -
Intro
Hyperventilate
The Forget You Song
Falling Down
EIMA
Black Light Machine
Milliontown
Saline
No Me No You
Snowman
The Other Me
Pocket Sun
Wonderland
Dear Dead Days
Obviously only so much of this will fit on a CD so there'll be a limited edition CD for sale at the Dream Theater gigs much like we did with Spock's last year that will have the tracks that don't get on the main live album plus hopefully a couple of other goodies if there's time.
The main CD will also have a 45 minute Frost report on an accompanying DVD. There'll also be 4, possibly 5 extra Frost B-sides like The Forget You Song, 1976, New World and so on and will be available from Inside Out and all the usual places.
So all in all, it should be a properly Frosty summer! :D
Night all.
Let's not forget, people, this is technically a NON-Frost* year, so split your joviality with somberness. :D
Yeah you can bet if there are any extra copies leftover, I'll be on that one ASAP.
I missed the show, I don't wanna missed the CD!
How about InsideOut making a package that has the proposed 1 cd live album + Frost Report dvd but has a space where you can store the additional EP (sounds more like a full cd if you ask me). When you buy the InsideOut release there should be a leaflet of some sorts in there that says you can order the EP directly from the band. And when you buy the EP at the gigs there should be a message that the rest of the package can be bought in / ordered from any decent recordstore (brick-and-mortar or online)
This would mean that:
a) the band can sell more of those ep's instead of just selling them to those who go the DT gigs and us nuts here on the board.
b) people would be directed to the bands online store and maybe pick up some more merchandise.
c) the ep advertises the existince of the Frost live album + dvd to those who buy the ep at the gigs
Yeaaahhhh ... great news, Wonderland and BLM sound great on yourspace.
... Andys double bass drum roll is missing from the end of the JM solo :( .. one of my personal high points of the song, but I'll live :D
Nick wasn't trying to duplicate the album versions and I wouldn't have expected nor wanted him to, but if you saw him play you'd know the man played the hell out of that whole set. Most impressive.
I'd be another one to want a 2CD fROSt*FEST set, but you just can't ever tell how enthusiastic a record label will be about such a thing. One can only hope.
Super - I love walking out of gig with a CD under my arm - roll on Southampton!
Quote from: "Dave M"... Andys double bass drum roll is missing from the end of the JM solo :( .. one of my personal high points of the song, but I'll live :D
Same for me... that is just such a killer moment... I possible I always airdrum it when I play this song :oops:
That's great news!
And the packaging ChrisX suggested seems an optimal way of generating more sales and spread the Frostiness* even more.
Can't wait for all this music to be available. An the reports, ¡oh, the reports! 2008 wouldn't have been the same without Frost* Reports, for me.
Quote from: "gr8gonzo"Nick wasn't trying to duplicate the album versions and I wouldn't have expected nor wanted him to, but if you saw him play you'd know the man played the hell out of that whole set. Most impressive.
I'd be another one to want a 2CD fROSt*FEST set, but you just can't ever tell how enthusiastic a record label will be about such a thing. One can only hope.
With some of the ideas floating around, it's not entirely obvious to me that a record label need be involved at all. For a live CD+DVD, I'd be absolutely fine with a high-bitrate MP3/AAC/FLAC download without associated physical media / packaging.
Although I freely admit that it lies way outside my domain of expertise. I'd have to think that that it might be possible to sell such a thing for real money without involving a label, or if a label is a sine qua non in music selling, at least without having them get their knickers in a twist about the investment involved in making physical copies.
For example, take the estimable Boomkat, a very interesting UK-based independent music website, who have an excellent download system for 320kbps MP3s and lossless FLACs at reasonable prices, including things not otherwise available on physical media. While not perhaps a perfect match genre-wise, there may be other similar options. (I admit I don't know about the DVD side of things; trickier given the total data volumes, I'd imagine).
(Actually, in passing, I thoroughly recommend browsing Boomkat if you're into ambient and other eclectic music: I bought Peter Broderick's "Float" from them recently and have a whole list of other things I intend to get in download form).
But again, even though I have read much of what Robert Fripp has written about such things, I know little about it in reality and would be happy to learn more about what's possible and what's not.
In the end though, I'll buy the RosFest stuff however Jem sees fit to release it, so the idea of "market forces" is a little redundant here ... :D
Quote from: "Trapezium Artist"With some of the ideas floating around, it's not entirely obvious to me that a record label need be involved at all. For a live CD+DVD, I'd be absolutely fine with a high-bitrate MP3/AAC/FLAC download without associated physical media / packaging.
The minute Frost goes all download they will lose at least one customer: me. If music would go all download, which I very much don't think it will, I might actually start buying vinyl again. And that has seen some kind of a resurgence in the past few years.
Quote from: "ChrisX"Quote from: "Trapezium Artist"With some of the ideas floating around, it's not entirely obvious to me that a record label need be involved at all. For a live CD+DVD, I'd be absolutely fine with a high-bitrate MP3/AAC/FLAC download without associated physical media / packaging.
The minute Frost goes all download they will lose at least one customer: me. If music would go all download, which I very much don't think it will, I might actually start buying vinyl again. And that has seen some kind of a resurgence in the past few years.
Well, I half agree with you, but I don't see it in quite such an absolutist way. What are your concerns exactly? Crappy sound delivered by compressed digital files, the lack of a physical backup, or the lack of associated physical packaging (pictures etc.)?
I would have thought (naively perhaps with respect to music, but with a strong background in image and signal processing) that lossless formats such as FLAC and Apple Lossless might render the first issue (relatively) moot. Of course, since you've raised vinyl as an alternative, you may be more broadly concerned that even lossless digital sound is (relatively) poor, but despite owning many LPs from when I was a student (pre-CD days :shock: ), they're simply not an option in my two-kids-at-home, iPod-around-the-world life.
On the physical packaging side, I can sympathise: I like owning the real things, testified by my >500 CDs, and there's always a slight hesitation when I buy music purely digitally (as I just did), thinking I should have the physical disc too. But I find I listen to more when I buy things digitally and get instant gratification to boot. I generally burn a CD copy for backup purposes though.
All said and done though, I would say that in this case we're "only" talking about a live album (sorry, Jem ;) ), where the production will be inevitably somewhat compromised (albeit in very exciting ways) by the very nature of a live performance. In that regard, I'd say it's not such a big deal to own it just digitally lossless or even at 320kbps (but 96kbps ripped from MySpace certainly doesn't cut it). YMMV.
You make some valid points Trapezium Artist. :)
Quote from: "Trapezium Artist"Well, I half agree with you, but I don't see it in quite such an absolutist way. What are your concerns exactly? Crappy sound delivered by compressed digital files, the lack of a physical backup, or the lack of associated physical packaging (pictures etc.)?.
I know FLAC or any other lossless format sound good enough for my ears so sound is not an issue.
What I sense, and this might be a personal issue, is that I value a physical product much more, have a much higher regard for it. A digital folder with some music files just doesn't cut it IMHO. I grow attached to albums that I love and sometimes (and this might seem weird to some of you) I like looking at my cd's and I remember that I bought the Jellyfish album 'Spilt Milk' in this great little recordshop in Baltimore or that I was so lucky to find a copy of no-man's Lovesighs - An Entertainment ep (cd) in a basement recordshop in Soho.
It's the difference between having a very nice framed lithograph hanging on your wall or having the same image as your desktop image on your computer.
excellent! see you in Leeds!
Quote from: "ChrisX"Quote from: "Trapezium Artist"Well, I half agree with you, but I don't see it in quite such an absolutist way. What are your concerns exactly? Crappy sound delivered by compressed digital files, the lack of a physical backup, or the lack of associated physical packaging (pictures etc.)?.
I know FLAC or any other lossless format sound good enough for my ears so sound is not an issue.
What I sense, and this might be a personal issue, is that I value a physical product much more, have a much higher regard for it. A digital folder with some music files just doesn't cut it IMHO. I grow attached to albums that I love and sometimes (and this might seem weird to some of you) I like looking at my cd's and I remember that I bought the Jellyfish album 'Spilt Milk' in this great little recordshop in Baltimore or that I was so lucky to find a copy of no-man's Lovesighs - An Entertainment ep (cd) in a basement recordshop in Soho.
It's the difference between having a very nice framed lithograph hanging on your wall or having the same image as your desktop image on your computer.
No, I completely agree that it's nice to have the physical object to look at and, err, feel. All of those LPs I referred to were immediately swaddled in dust jackets and the paper inner sleeves replaced with higher quality plastic lined ones before the albums were even played. That's how anal retentive I was back then ... :D And there's no way of emulating my yellow vinyl YMO LP or the translucent dark red of my original copy of Going For The One (anyone else have one of those?)
But I guess I've long since been less in love with CDs, in part because of the crappy design of jewel cases which crack or break as soon as you sneeze at them, in part because CDs and the booklets are too small, and more recently in part because I can copy the music off onto my iPod at pretty decent fidelity and put the discs into storage (in principle; in practice, they sit in my lounge in their Ikea shelf units staring at me balefully, almost reproachfully, since they rarely get taken out once ripped :D )
Speaking of great little recordshops in Baltimore, do you mean The Sound Garden on Thames St down on Fell's Point near the harbour? Great place; I bought Joanna Newsom's "Ys" (as a CD! :lol: ) there last year on a business trip ...
Some interesting points there chaps, I'll take all that onboard and have a rethink.
Quote from: "Jem"Some interesting points there chaps, I'll take all that onboard and have a rethink.
Have some alcohol with that. Always helps me think. :lol:
Quote from: "Trapezium Artist"Speaking of great little recordshops in Baltimore, do you mean The Sound Garden on Thames St down on Fell's Point near the harbour? Great place; I bought Joanna Newsom's "Ys" (as a CD! :lol: ) there last year on a business trip ...
Honestly, I am not entirely sure wether I bought it there or at another shop somewhere in the greater B'almer area. Up to last year a very good friend of mine lived in downtown Baltimore. I got to know him in the pre-internet era (somewhere in the early 90s) because me and a friend of mine loved his brother's band, Iluvatar. A correspondence was struck up and in 1995 he sent the message "If you ever come over to the US you can stay with me". And that's what we did in 1996 and then in 1997, 2000, 2002, 2005 and 2008. Our friend became very close to my friend's sister and has made the big step of coming to Holland to live here. He has just recently been given the official status of 'resident alien'. If all goes well (finding a steady job etc etc.) he will get a permanent status in 3 years.
So, I won't be coming back to Balitimore soon I guess but have to say that Every time we trawled basically every record shop in the Baltimore area but The Sound Garden is the coolest shop in town and certainly not little. I have spent hours and hours there.
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Looks like you can has enough cheezburgers already....how abouts an zalad?
Quote from: "ChrisX"Honestly, I am not entirely sure wether I bought it there or at another shop somewhere in the greater B'almer area. Up to last year a very good friend of mine lived in downtown Baltimore. I got to know him in the pre-internet era (somewhere in the early 90s) because me and a friend of mine loved his brother's band, Iluvatar. A correspondence was struck up and in 1995 he sent the message "If you ever come over to the US you can stay with me". And that's what we did in 1996 and then in 1997, 2000, 2002, 2005 and 2008. Our friend became very close to my friend's sister and has made the big step of coming to Holland to live here. He has just recently been given the official status of 'resident alien'. If all goes well (finding a steady job etc etc.) he will get a permanent status in 3 years.
Interesting: as noted elsewhere on the forum, I'll be moving to the Netherlands in a couple of months and it does sound like there's an interesting prog scene and prog connections.
Quote from: "Trapezium Artist"Interesting: as noted elsewhere on the forum, I'll be moving to the Netherlands in a couple of months and it does sound like there's an interesting prog scene and prog connections.
1. Moving: permanently or just temporarily? Which part of the Netherlands?
2. Progscene in Holland: well, it used to be bigger, there used to be more venues that would book bands but nowadays it just seems it is mostly to be found at a venue called De Boerderij in Zoetermeer. This is mostly due to the guy who books the bands there who is a big prog fan himself (close ties to IQ) and who used to book bands at a club called De Nieuwe Pul in Uden.
Good thing though is that the Netherlands have very good travel connections to the UK, Belgium, France and Germany. I for one live quite close to the German border, about 1,5 hours drive from the central area called The Ruhrgebiet which has some of Germany major cities. When I go to gigs I always check wether they also play somewhere in that area because for me that is much closer then Zoetermeer (+ 2 hours drive).
Quote from: "ChrisX"1. Moving: permanently or just temporarily? Which part of the Netherlands?
2. Progscene in Holland: well, it used to be bigger, there used to be more venues that would book bands but nowadays it just seems it is mostly to be found at a venue called De Boerderij in Zoetermeer. This is mostly due to the guy who books the bands there who is a big prog fan himself (close ties to IQ) and who used to book bands at a club called De Nieuwe Pul in Uden.
Good thing though is that the Netherlands have very good travel connections to the UK, Belgium, France and Germany. I for one live quite close to the German border, about 1,5 hours drive from the central area called The Ruhrgebiet which has some of Germany major cities. When I go to gigs I always check wether they also play somewhere in that area because for me that is much closer then Zoetermeer (+ 2 hours drive).
1. Wassenaar, so cycling (drunk, as we've established elsewhere :D ) distance from Zoetermeer and De Boerderij. Didn't know of the IQ link: sounds great (but where's my pre-ordered copy of Frequency, eh chaps?).
1b. Nominally permanently, although I've learned in my career never to say never again. After all, it's only 5 years since I moved back to the UK after many years abroad and into a permanent job at that :shock: (Not that I've been made redundant or anything; just moving to do something new out of choice).
Still, sounds like even though Holland is relatively small, there's lot to get out and see, even if my search for mountains will be fruitless. Then again, Zoetermeer also has a bloody great indoor ski slope, so ... :D
Zoetermeer is a far drive for me too. I live in the north of Limburg.
Quote from: "Pajter"I live in the north of Limburg.
Ah, you're a Limburger.
HAH!
Nah I smell nice and flowery. :)
Hey Pajter,
I was wondering: how do you pronounce your user name? Is it like they do in jiskefet?
Ehrm, maybe. I've never seen a lot of Jiskefet (unfortunately). A friend of mine who watched all episodes calls me Pajter, so it could be. :P
But it's pronounced like "pie". It's how you would pronounce my name in English: Pieter.
Does that make sense? I don't know, but I'm still keeping my name. :twisted:
edit: is it this one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSURKN-B_Ho (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSURKN-B_Ho) It sounds a bit like it. Hella funny. :lol:
This one's still my favorite though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvvefV8NISY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvvefV8NISY)
(sorry to all non-Dutchies who don't understand all this crap :lol: )
Mmmm, double CD & DVD......
It's got as much promise as an unopened 12 pack of Tunnocks Tea Cakes...
How about also doing the same as EIMA and offering a signed version too? I know NDV won't be able to sign it, but I for one would be very happy having a signed copy from the rest of the guys to put on the shelf beside my signed EIMA & signed gig CD :D
Quote from: "Ecosse"Mmmm, double CD & DVD......
It's got as much promise as an unopened 12 pack of Tunnocks Tea Cakes...
How about also doing the same as EIMA and offering a signed version too? I know NDV won't be able to sign it, but I for one would be very happy having a signed copy from the rest of the guys to put on the shelf beside my signed EIMA & signed gig CD :D
I'd second that - that show was tremendous, and I'd be terribly disappointed to only have half of it. I can't wait to buy a signed double CD, DVD package, and get a few more of those qualidee RoSFest t-shirts!