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Anthemic chorus theory
« on: June 16, 2009, 01:04:24 PM »
Miss Brom asked me a question last nite which I was not able to answer in any detail thanks to my ineptitude when it comes to musical theory. So I thought, I know a few someone’s who must know the answer to this.

Since just before Southampton gig and then hearing it live she has been bowled over by DT’s new track, “Rite of Passage”. In particular the chorus. The way it lifts the song starting with “Turn the Key” culminating with the line “A Rite of Passage”  I mumbled that it seems to be a key change coupled with the vocal harmony, to which came the reply “Yes, but how do you do it?” This is where my twelve bar blues brain failed to do a turnaround and came to an abrupt end. For example, if you had your main verse trundling along in say C is there a set/easy/established trick that exists to produce that rousing almost anthemic feeling to the chorus that can be explained in relatively simple terms. Any help will be more than welcome from both of us.
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Re: Anthemic chorus theory
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2009, 01:20:45 PM »
put a f**king 12 string on it! :lol:

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Re: Anthemic chorus theory
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2009, 01:45:01 PM »
That works!  8-)
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Re: Anthemic chorus theory
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2009, 10:53:12 PM »
Ah, the 12 string. What a wonderful thing that is. The way the sound glistens like early morning dew on glass in a Spring mist... The way the notes fall gently like rain...

Whoops! Where am I? Anyways yeah, I suspect it's a simple case of harmonised vocals doing the anthemic factor, with two melody lines interacting with each other before adding a third voice for the "A rite of passage" line. That's what I thinks, anyways.

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Re: Anthemic chorus theory
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2009, 11:01:02 PM »
It's just a simple modulation up by a tone, innit?

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Re: Anthemic chorus theory
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2009, 11:17:28 PM »
The rule of thumb with modern metal is to start the chorus down a major third from the tonic.  That is, the VI chord.  This is pretty much the go-to modulation for pre-choruses and the like in a lot of stuff, including Frost*, though they mercifully underplay it.

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Re: Anthemic chorus theory
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2009, 01:58:12 AM »
Just having a listen to the track right now and just finished the first chorus. It seems they go from the verse in D to a prechorus in E ; theres your tone raise. Then yes, the chorus proceeds to go through several intervals going up in fouths, starting on A, going to D then to F then to C, then follows the A minor scale to B, and finally back to A. On the second time around it goes from A to C to D, then it returns back to the E of the pre-chorus before the a-typical Dream Theater after-chorus widdly-widdly before we return to the verse in D.

So from what I can see this 'lift' in mood with the chorus is due to the change from D to E in the pre-chorus and then the movement from E to A, a full four tones yet a chord which relates to both D and E (A both containing the fifth of D (Verse) and the root of E (Prechorus) hence it all seems to link very well as you are hearing a change which remains familiar in certain aspects agter the foreign change from D to E after the verse, and the movement of the chorus is based around chord changes 1, 4, 6, 3, in the key of A minor. Unconventional, but it follows that pattern and is within a very simple boundary of the key signature, no off sounding changes to the flattened sixth of the root key or alien minor twelth inversions. Good friendly key changes.

Now I thank you for letting me know they're bringing their new album out on tuesday. I suspect we British folk will be getting a nice delay on that so I'll keep an eye out in HMV for that  :)

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Re: Anthemic chorus theory
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2009, 08:40:20 AM »
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Now I thank you for letting me know they're bringing their new album out on tuesday. I suspect we British folk will be getting a nice delay on that so I'll keep an eye out in HMV for that  :)

Actually released today in the UK :D

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Re: Anthemic chorus theory
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2009, 11:04:57 AM »
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Now I thank you for letting me know they're bringing their new album out on tuesday. I suspect we British folk will be getting a nice delay on that so I'll keep an eye out in HMV for that  :)

Actually released today in the UK :D

Yes, I'm off to HMV this very lunchtime   ;)
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Re: Anthemic chorus theory
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2009, 12:12:00 PM »
All,

Thank you very much for all the advice, help on this, especially famadiddle and Serfox  :D . How the hell you work out what all the chords are remains a mystery to me. When jamming the blues against a backing track I just move the scale up and down the fretboard until it magically fits!  :roll:  :D

I'll pass all this on to Miss Brom later, and when she asks the obvious, the answer will be... "No, you can't have a twelve string!" I'll let you know how we get on.

Cheers  :D  :D
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Re: Anthemic chorus theory
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2009, 02:14:23 PM »
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All,

Thank you very much for all the advice, help on this, especially famadiddle and Serfox  :D . How the hell you work out what all the chords are remains a mystery to me. When jamming the blues against a backing track I just move the scale up and down the fretboard until it magically fits!  :roll:  :D

I'll pass all this on to Miss Brom later, and when she asks the obvious, the answer will be... "No, you can't have a twelve string!" I'll let you know how we get on.

Cheers  :D  :D

A long time understanding of music theory and a grade 8 qualification in it to prove it  ;)  Also a fun fact for aural reference I quietly played the ukulele to work out the chord inversions, didn't want to load up my Fantom at 1 in the morning  :lol:

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Re: Anthemic chorus theory
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2009, 03:12:51 PM »
Hmpfff!  Not only do you get our lottery numbers ahead of time and not tell us, you get music, too?  What gives?  Are you lot still holding a grudge about the tea we dumped in the harbor?
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Re: Anthemic chorus theory
« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2009, 03:33:05 PM »
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Hmpfff!  Not only do you get our lottery numbers ahead of time and not tell us, you get music, too?  What gives?  Are you lot still holding a grudge about the tea we dumped in the harbor?

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Re: Anthemic chorus theory
« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2009, 06:40:38 PM »
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Hmpfff!  Not only do you get our lottery numbers ahead of time and not tell us, you get music, too?  What gives?  Are you lot still holding a grudge about the tea we dumped in the harbor?

Actually, it's spelt "harbour".  :P

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Re: Anthemic chorus theory
« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2009, 09:37:14 PM »
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