A Doorway Open Wide...

[gav]

some people are just stupid.

Yes, some people are...

[Pedro]

Well, naturally, I am completely and utterly chuffed to bits to hear this news.  

From what you say, Jem, TDL proved that when you are doing it for the love of it, you really enjoy it and it shows in the music. When you are doing it because there's someone contracturally expecting an album sometime soon, it can turn into a chore.
Is it not possible that a subscription base expecting a new track sometime soon could have a similar pressurising effect?
I'm not saying I'm against the subscription idea (cash waiting  ), I just don't want it to become like an obligation, that's all.

[catherine]

I don't care when I get my next fix of Frost* (OK, that's a lie, I want it NOW!) or what it costs (within reason) or how it's distributed. I just want the music! Now! Please?

[Pedro]

I don't care when I get my next fix of Frost* (OK, that's a lie, I want it NOW!) or what it costs (within reason) or how it's distributed. I just want the music! Now! Please?

Yep, obviously doesn't matter how it's arranged, the pressure will be unreasonable!  

[gav]

To be honest, i don't really mind waiting all that much - i should think TDL and TPE should keep me going for a while, but once i've listened to those over and over again for 3 months straight, i'm sure i'll want more! :lol:

 :evil: MORE! GIVE ME MORE! :twisted:

It's okay Jem, I'm just kidding



 :twisted:

[gr8gonzo]

I'd like to see Jem open a PayPal account for donations. Even if he never plays another note, I'd still feel compelled to contribute as I don't think I could ever adequately repay him for what he's released already!

[EVP]

I'm totally open to the idea's you are considering Jem. I too would most likely buy a hard copy eventually but
the ultimate for me would be a 24 bit Hi-rez version at whatever sample rate the Pro Tools sessions are at.

As a musician myself, I'm intrigued by the new business model concept. I have a bunch of songs both proggy
and non that I've been slaving away to perfect and though I feel confident of their quality, they just don't
seem to fit together in the traditional album format. I could easily do a 20-30 minute EP of each and channel
them into their own beings. It could also make for cutting out extra 'fluff' that might bore the first time
listener and hopefully not scare them away.

But of course I speak of the fluff factor in my own music. Certainly a 15-20 minute EP of FROST music would be
jam packed. One good thing about FROST* is that there never is one second of filler or fluff regardless if it's
a 2 minute piece or a 70 minute album,paid or free it will be worth every note to me! I'm sure there will
be plenty of us who will support you and the whole band regardless.

I have a question though...how would one go about having stuff mastered? would it be individual tracks/EP's
one at a time,or would it be best to wait and master all at once when it comes time to combine everything
into an album?

[turbo]

Cash ready just tell me how much when and where to pay it, don't care when any music is released or what format it is in id just be happy to know ill get to hear it when your ready to let us hear it    

[Jem]

Well, naturally, I am completely and utterly chuffed to bits to hear this news.  

From what you say, Jem, TDL proved that when you are doing it for the love of it, you really enjoy it and it shows in the music. When you are doing it because there's someone contracturally expecting an album sometime soon, it can turn into a chore.
Is it not possible that a subscription base expecting a new track sometime soon could have a similar pressurising effect?
I'm not saying I'm against the subscription idea (cash waiting  ), I just don't want it to become like an obligation, that's all.

Interesting counterpoint there Pedders. It could end up being just as stressful as having a record company breathing down one's neck by going on the subscription route. Also, I'm mindful of the potential downside of the Marillion model - everybody chips in to make the album... waits 2 years....and then the album's sh**.  

That'd piss me off right and proper if I was a fan.

Maybe a simple charge for each track would work better. There could be a subscribers area maybe with additional stuff and a simple charge could apply again to download/obtain stuff from there. Then it's a simple take it leave it choice rather than "Come on boys, I've paid me dosh, where's me product!?".

Interesting...

[Jem]

I have a question though...how would one go about having stuff mastered? would it be individual tracks/EP's
one at a time,or would it be best to wait and master all at once when it comes time to combine everything
into an album?

There are companies out there that master stuff remotely and send it back to you via email. The other option is to buy the kit and start doing it myself. Seeing as the new Cube will be acoustically tuned and will feature an array of reference speakers, I'll have a far more accurate room to work in. I might send myself off on a course first off.

Actually, this is a good idea.  

[MarkOneMusic]

Well, I don't want to come across as the voice of dissent, and I know that I am a product of my age, but for me the *ownership* of the thing is an important dimension.  I would miss a physical CD.  I have an overflowing iTunes library, a 160Gb ipod stuffed with er... stuff, but it doesn't substitute for my racks of CDs (and doesn't come close to the cupboard full of vinyl)

I'm not going to get into the whole MP3/Lossy compression argument, I am and always have been a bit of a hifi fanboy... I *know* we can go to lossless downloads, and then I won't know the difference sonically, but, there's more to it than that,  I enjoy the packaging, the ritual of putting the CD on, the boundary it sets for an album's worth of music, the synergy between the artwork and the music, I'm even sad enough to enjoy finding out what keyboards were endorsed, what drum-sticks the drummer likes, and whose mum got thanked.

Don't get me wrong, if this is the route to market Jem is choosing for Frost material then, I hope it is successful, and of course I will buy it all, but I dunno, it's somehow not the same.

Just call me an old fart, I guess.  :roll:

[Pedro]

I would miss a physical CD.

If I read it right, you probably won't.
You may have to wait for a bit in some cases but I think the plan includes gathering up tracks onto a CD, periodically.

[Jem]

Well, I don't want to come across as the voice of dissent, and I know that I am a product of my age, but for me the *ownership* of the thing is an important dimension.  I would miss a physical CD.  I have an overflowing iTunes library, a 160Gb ipod stuffed with er... stuff, but it doesn't substitute for my racks of CDs (and doesn't come close to the cupboard full of vinyl)

I'm not going to get into the whole MP3/Lossy compression argument, I am and always have been a bit of a hifi fanboy... I *know* we can go to lossless downloads, and then I won't know the difference sonically, but, there's more to it than that,  I enjoy the packaging, the ritual of putting the CD on, the boundary it sets for an album's worth of music, the synergy between the artwork and the music, I'm even sad enough to enjoy finding out what keyboards were endorsed, what drum-sticks the drummer likes, and whose mum got thanked.

Don't get me wrong, if this is the route to market Jem is choosing for Frost material then, I hope it is successful, and of course I will buy it all, but I dunno, it's somehow not the same.

Just call me an old fart, I guess.  :roll:

You'll have to re-read the blog mate.  

[gr8gonzo]

I'm among those who would pay for the download to get the immediate "fix," and pay again later for the CD as a higher quality "official" release. This was the case for me with Milliontown. I bought it from iTunes and later bought the CD. Perhaps the physical release could have something extra on it (i.e. Frost* Report, bonus track not available as a download, etc., like EIMA SE) as incentive for those who need a shove.

[ich_bin_besser]

I'm among those who would pay for the download to get the immediate "fix," and pay again later for the CD as a higher quality "official" release. [...]
Perhaps the physical release could have something extra on it (i.e. Frost* Report, bonus track not available as a download, etc., like EIMA SE)

Ditto.

Neal Morse has an "Inner Circle" where you pay 10 $ per month. You get a CD or DVD every 2 months and a longer email with pics the other months (sometimes more often). Some of the releases are great, others I really could do without.
So I'd prefer to know beforehand what I pay for.