A Doorway Open Wide...

[gr8gonzo]

Well....I think that you miss my point. I don't think that the "physical" product IS fast becoming nostalgia. I think that we choose to belive what we are being told by the "industry". I think that "they" want to get rid of cd's and instead go down the "digital download" route, so by telling us that they are on their way out, make us believe and go along with what they say. The actual facts don't show this to be true. Yes, I download stuff, yes, I don't know what I would do without iTunes now (only becuase it helps me get ALL of my music onto 1 device), but I still buy loads of cd's. If I go into HMV anywhere there are still the same amounts of people buying cd's as there ever were, so who's fooling who? I use downloading ( in whatever form it may take!) as more of a try before you buy. Nealry everything I have downloaded I have then gone out and purchased the actual "physical" cd.
In terms of chart success, the main thing that fuels this whole "downloading" thing, well...most of anything I have ever listened to has never bothered the charts anyway, with a few exceptions, so what's changed? To me absoultely nothing.

I understand what you're saying. Maybe the situation is different in your area. I'm basing my opinion on my own observations. I still have all my CD longboxes waiting to become an art project for my finished basement when I have a finished basement (note to self: buy home with finished basement). What I'm getting at has to do less with the industry than the shifting demographics of the consumer. CD sales continue to decline rapidly. Hell, even VINYL is cutting into CD sales these days. In recent years, I've watched my music store of choice go from 10 long aisles of music (including stuff I'd want to buy) to 10 short aisles of stuff I'd never buy to 5 short aisles of stuff I can't be bothered to even look at. Most of the floor space is now video games.

I still prefer CDs over downloads, but, like most Frost*ies, I was born in the 20th century. My children will likely never buy a CD (though I'll try my best to give them an appreciation for albums). I just don't see CDs being a significant medium in 10 yrs time. I imagine physical media for music and movies will shift from CDs and DVDs to something like thumb drives. Those who aren't just downloading/streaming content direct to their stereos and televisions will just plug it into a USB port.

[Geddy Lee]

I understand what you're saying. Maybe the situation is different in your area. I'm basing my opinion on my own observations. I still have all my CD longboxes waiting to become an art project for my finished basement when I have a finished basement (note to self: buy home with finished basement). What I'm getting at has to do less with the industry than the shifting demographics of the consumer. CD sales continue to decline rapidly. Hell, even VINYL is cutting into CD sales these days. In recent years, I've watched my music store of choice go from 10 long aisles of music (including stuff I'd want to buy) to 10 short aisles of stuff I'd never buy to 5 short aisles of stuff I can't be bothered to even look at. Most of the floor space is now video games.

I still prefer CDs over downloads, but, like most Frost*ies, I was born in the 20th century. My children will likely never buy a CD (though I'll try my best to give them an appreciation for albums). I just don't see CDs being a significant medium in 10 yrs time. I imagine physical media for music and movies will shift from CDs and DVDs to something like thumb drives. Those who aren't just downloading/streaming content direct to their stereos and televisions will just plug it into a USB port.

That's just my point. CD sales AREN'T rapidly declining. We are just being told they are and then given less room in stores.The books are being cooked and WE are being decieved. Record stores, or should I just say HMV as it is THE ONLY high street record store these days, is forcibly shifting the demographic away from CD's. At first it was to DVD and now even DVD is getting less space as BLUERAY is FORCED upon us.
WE have to decide if WE want the physical item to vanish and STOP it from happening. FIGHT for what we believe in. The idea of only being able to download or stream ( that thought makes me feel sick! ) truly will be THE END for music. Don't take my word for it though, lets all sit around and do nothing and then moan when it DOES happen. It'll be a little too late then.

[RacingHippo]

My CD player doesn't have an aux-in

Neither does mine.
So I use one of these, wired up to a 3.5mm jack bodged into the fascia next to the radio.

They do them for various car types and have iPod-specific ones too which do extra Neat-O things.
See also here, which seems cheaper on the whole.

[gr8gonzo]

That's just my point. CD sales AREN'T rapidly declining. We are just being told they are and then given less room in stores.The books are being cooked and WE are being decieved. Record stores, or should I just say HMV as it is THE ONLY high street record store these days, is forcibly shifting the demographic away from CD's. At first it was to DVD and now even DVD is getting less space as BLUERAY is FORCED upon us.
WE have to decide if WE want the physical item to vanish and STOP it from happening. FIGHT for what we believe in. The idea of only being able to download or stream ( that thought makes me feel sick! ) truly will be THE END for music. Don't take my word for it though, lets all sit around and do nothing and then moan when it DOES happen. It'll be a little too late then.

Are you claiming conspiracy? Betamax was superior to VHS in every way, so I don't doubt that such things happen, but what's HMV to gain by offering less product if it's truly profitable?  If their CD racks were emptying every week, they'd get more space.  It's all about demand and the technological evolution of media. I had hundreds of vinyl albums, then hundreds of cassette tapes, then hundreds of CDs. I'm not among the moaners, though. As the format changes, the consumer, sometimes reluctantly, adapts. That said, I'm thrilled that there is a growing demand for vinyl and stores are ordering it more and more. I don't see the same happening for cassettes, but who's to say?

There will always be music. I love and embrace new formats. Kinda hopin' the thumb drive thing pans out.

[Jem]

I still buy CD's. I've just ordered 5 from Amazon. However, as soon as they arrive, I whap them into the hard drive on the Beemer and then they sit in a Sainsbury's bag in the garage with all the others.

It's nice to know they're there. :lol:

 :lol: It must be nice to have a "hard drive" in your car!!! Us plebs however have to make do with connecting their iPod!!

It is pretty cool I must admit. I should get an iPod though, shoehorning the BMW onto the train is a right pain the arse when I go to London...

[drblowthingsup]

Hmm, on the special edition of Black Clouds and Silver Linings, DT released some of the audio files for the tracks for general mixing and playing with purposes. T'would be nice if TDL was released with a load of stuff like that to noodle with, especially since most of the Frost*ies are also techies
pwetty pwetty pweaaasseee

[gr8gonzo]

I have an iPod input jack in my car, though I don't use it much as it sounds like crap compared to my CDs.

[ChrisX]

I have an iPod input jack in my car, though I don't use it much as it sounds like crap compared to my CDs.

Hmmm... well first anything sounds crap in the car especially if you compare it with how you hear in on your home-system. Second, it might sound crap because the quality in which you rip cd's to iTunes is insufficient for your standards.

[Pedro]

Unless I miss my guess, you (Jem) have an iPhone.
So you are "with pod" already...unless you are worried about burning phone battery on music.

[Jem]

joke! joke! :lol: Creative license for the Beemer gag! Hello? McFly...

I've got about 9 iPods. C'mon, it's me you're talking about here.    

[Nellie]

joke! joke! :lol: Creative license for the Beemer gag! Hello? McFly...

I've got about 9 iPods. C'mon, it's me you're talking about here.

Can I have one? I don't have an iPod and I'm seriously considering a go on a proper train soon.

[Pedro]

joke! joke! :lol: Creative license for the Beemer gag! Hello? McFly...
I've got about 9 iPods. C'mon, it's me you're talking about here.    

Of course, sorry Biff, I'll just make like a tree and get out of here...

[Geddy Lee]

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Are you claiming conspiracy? Betamax was superior to VHS in every way, so I don't doubt that such things happen, but what's HMV to gain by offering less product if it's truly profitable?  If their CD racks were emptying every week, they'd get more space.  It's all about demand and the technological evolution of media. I had hundreds of vinyl albums, then hundreds of cassette tapes, then hundreds of CDs. I'm not among the moaners, though. As the format changes, the consumer, sometimes reluctantly, adapts. That said, I'm thrilled that there is a growing demand for vinyl and stores are ordering it more and more. I don't see the same happening for cassettes, but who's to say?

There will always be music. I love and embrace new formats. Kinda hopin' the thumb drive thing pans out.

Yes I am claiming conspiracy!You are right about Betamax being superior to VHS, but that didn't stop them then did it? Betamax was profitable, as it was better and everyone knew it was, but everywhere stopped selling it boecuase the industry made the product hard to get. They are doing the same with CD's. They have put all their money into downloads, which are mostly shit quality when compared to a cd, all you need to do is look at the wave form of a download and then rip a cd to wav or whatever to see the difference.
I'm not against the "digital revolution" I own 3 iPods, but sometimes I think we really have to NOT accept what we are being told. And I truly believe that this is a point in case. THIS IS WAR my friend.

[gr8gonzo]

That brings us back to the original comment, that while we buy downloads for that immediate "fix," we still want a quality product and are willing to pay a premium to get it. I'm sure some brilliant mind knows this and is developing the next big thing in music formats that will sound better than anything we've ever heard. Er, I'm hoping, anyway.

[Claudio]

joke! joke! :lol: Creative license for the Beemer gag! Hello? McFly...

I've got about 9 iPods. C'mon, it's me you're talking about here.

Can I have one? I don't have an iPod and I'm seriously considering a go on a proper train soon.

I want one too!!
My mp3 player has to be changed!!