It feels as though it's all over............

[Neilgwhite]

Just to focus on the hobby / part-time / for a laugh / relief from pop,  comments that have been made from the start when we talk of Jem and Frost*, may I be the one who points out that there are very few prog bands / musicians on the circuit who do not have full time occupations and families. Those who are full time need to diversify by playing with several groups, session work etc, look at it Bites, JM plays with everyone, BD plays with a corporate entertainment band. But let's face it, Jem is a full time musician, producer, arranger who has had the luxury of putting weeks at a time of his schedule to Frost*.

Imagine an ice cream vendor, vanilla would be his bread and butter, he gets bored with vanilla and decides to create Tutti Frutti, and hey, Tutti Frutti becomes a brilliant success, people can't get enough. Yes it's harder to make, with more components and takes a bit more time than vanilla. But he is still an ice cream vendor, just selling different products. The ice cream vendor is tired and is doing too much, so rather than realise his business needs help, he goes on holiday. On his return, he decides not to sell Tutti Frutti anymore and sticks to vanilla instead. All his Tutti Frutti customers were disappointed, not wanting vanilla, and went to see Ben & Jerry.

[JakeWorrell]

Imagine an ice cream vendor, vanilla would be his bread and butter, he gets bored with vanilla and decides to create Tutti Frutti, and hey, Tutti Frutti becomes a brilliant success, people can't get enough. Yes it's harder to make, with more components and takes a bit more time than vanilla. But he is still an ice cream vendor, just selling different products. The ice cream vendor is tired and is doing too much, so rather than realise his business needs help, he goes on holiday. On his return, he decides not to sell Tutti Frutti anymore and sticks to vanilla instead. All his Tutti Frutti customers were disappointed, not wanting vanilla, and went to see Ben & Jerry.

But vanilla makes the money to pay the bills whereas Tutti Frutti actually (probably) makes him a loss. The Tutti Frutti customers might be disappointed but he simply can't stop making vanilla so whats the guy to do?

He hasn't gone back to vanilla anyway. There will always be vanilla. he has just exchanged Tutti Frutti with chocolate.

[Neilgwhite]

Imagine an ice cream vendor, vanilla would be his bread and butter, he gets bored with vanilla and decides to create Tutti Frutti, and hey, Tutti Frutti becomes a brilliant success, people can't get enough. Yes it's harder to make, with more components and takes a bit more time than vanilla. But he is still an ice cream vendor, just selling different products. The ice cream vendor is tired and is doing too much, so rather than realise his business needs help, he goes on holiday. On his return, he decides not to sell Tutti Frutti anymore and sticks to vanilla instead. All his Tutti Frutti customers were disappointed, not wanting vanilla, and went to see Ben & Jerry.

But vanilla makes the money to pay the bills whereas Tutti Frutti actually (probably) makes him a loss. The Tutti Frutti customers might be disappointed but he simply can't stop making vanilla so whats the guy to do?

He hasn't gone back to vanilla anyway. There will always be vanilla. he has just exchanged Tutti Frutti with chocolate.

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

[JakeWorrell]

I've just spotted some comments at the bottom of the blog post that I think answer pretty much everyone's questions here

there were contractual obs actually, InsideOut have the option on a third album.

Secondly, I did consider doing this new stuff as Frost*, but decided against it in the end as it would then always be judged in reference to the previous work. I want a clean break, free from the back catalogue. Also, I don't want to have to do gigs and be obliged to play older Frost material in amongst the new stuff, I deeply respect Frost's fans and feel that insouciantly ignoring the past would be counterproductive to their evening's entertainment.

Additionally, it also enforces a template. There'd have to be guitar and drums and bass on the new stuff else it would leave members of the band with nothing to do live. It would also enforce that I'd have to work with the same musicians. Part of the appeal of going forwards is that I can diversify the collaborative talent pool.

I hope that answers your q's. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. J

So there we have it. It's not the end. Its a new beginning. Now that I have come to terms with the end of Frost* I am genuinely excited.

I hope you're feeling a bit better about it all now Neil anyway, I must admit I was a bit disappointed to see your initial post but its an emotional time for everyone involved so I think we all understand.

[Neilgwhite]

So there we have it. It's not the end. Its a new beginning. Now that I have come to terms with the end of Frost* I am genuinely excited.

I hope you're feeling a bit better about it all now Neil anyway, I must admit I was a bit disappointed to see your initial post but its an emotional time for everyone involved so I think we all understand.

The only thing that got my goat yesterday was the fact that with so much respect for Frost* fans, a thank you i'm alive and well note on the forum would have been appropriate, along with a note about putting Tutti Frutti to bed and starting again with Chocolate ice cream.

[Dave M]

Where is this blog of which you speak ?

I'm a Frost fan, but above all else, I'm a Jem fan ... So if theres a way i can get a little Jem fix I'll be happy.

I miss the madcaptomfoolery of Godders, but Frost is over, sad but true,  but maybe ... one day...

[ich_bin_besser]

http://jemgodfrey.blogspot.com/2011/04/ ... -bill.html

[Pedro]

....but Frost is over, sad but true,  but maybe ... one day...

That's the spirit, glass half full and all that!

[Neilgwhite]

Maybe Jem can allow Russel to take the good bits of the Derby filming to release a goodbye Frosties video, that would be a nice touch, wouldn't feel like unfinished business, what do you think? I understand there's a good 15 mins, that'd be nice  

[Gman]

Maybe Jem can allow Russel to take the good bits of the Derby filming to release a goodbye Frosties video

I'd be happy to sync some kazoo parts to that...that just leaves spoons, washboard, jews harp and digeridoo. Any takers?

[Pedro]

Spoons. Do you need to ask??

[Neilgwhite]

Maybe Jem can allow Russel to take the good bits of the Derby filming to release a goodbye Frosties video

I'd be happy to sync some kazoo parts to that...that just leaves spoons, washboard, jews harp and digeridoo. Any takers?

I'll take up the washboard, been practicing Washing LIne Machine all day

[Neilgwhite]

Panic over, just found all Jem's gear in an eBay auction, so we're sorted for the dodgy sections of the dvd

//http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Korg-Roland-Yamaha-keyboard-synth-speakers-job-lot-/260767604868?pt=UK_MusicalInstr_Keyboard_RL&hash=item3cb6f5e084#ht_834wt_1141

Hey there's an old HH amp in there, I used to run a HH head on my bass rig, brilliant gear. Are we having a whip round?

[Trapezium Artist]

Panic over, just found all Jem's gear in an eBay auction, so we're sorted for the dodgy sections of the dvd

//http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Korg-Roland-Yamaha-keyboard-synth-speakers-job-lot-/260767604868?pt=UK_MusicalInstr_Keyboard_RL&hash=item3cb6f5e084#ht_834wt_1141

Hey there's an old HH amp in there, I used to run a HH head on my bass rig, brilliant gear. Are we having a whip round?

Are you sure this is Jem's stuff? Why's it in Coventry? Perhaps because Frost* has been sent there?

[turbo]

All this talk of ice cream is making me hungry , one thought though you can take the boy out of the tutti frutti but you cant take tutti frutti out of the boy    keep the faith.