It feels as though it's all over............

[Pedro]

Not here.

*puts fingers in ears and sings "la, la, la, la, la" in 5/4  

Besides, shouldn't this thread be called "Feels like over"?

[XeRocks81]

I must say it feels a little strange though that Jem has started blogging again in earnest, and planning future youtube videos, and we are still discussing it here but he's not posting here anymore because obviously Frost* is done and whatever he's doing is absolutely not Frost*.

[Pedro]

You're quite right, it's absolutely not Frost*....but it is Jem and that's good news in my book.
He appears to be happy, healthy and making new music that obviously excites him. He did that before and look what we got   ...so I can't feel anything but upbeat about this.
I'd like to think he'll pop in here again sometime (even if Frost* music is not on his radar) if/when he wants to.

[E.S.]

That's the thing, it's Jem, and that's great. I don't really consider myself a Frostie, more of a Godfrey-ist, so it doesn't matter if the new musc isn't Frost*, prog, technical or whatever... it's still exciting. I hope we get to hear more of his insane electronic side.  

[turbo]

Here's the problem, like most people on this forum I'm genuinely happy that jem is back to his old self again and apparently a very happy bunny I'm also quite exited hes making music again, although i have to admit I'm hoping its more rock than electronic [love it to be prog but we know it wont ] but here's the rub every time i get excited about the new jem stuff i get sad because it reminds me frost is no more and frost have meant so much to me it still hurts.    :cry:  :?

[vocalnick]

IIRC the last lady to sing for Frost* (on The Dividing Line) was this one:



Fat lady? I think "no"  

This is a fascinating topic to explore. Particularly the notion of trying to take an unfinished work and add our own 'frog DNA' (Ref Jurassic Park) to make a viable creature.

Mmmmmnnnniiiinteresting.

I must confess that none of my imaginings of a Jem-less (or Jem-lite) Frost* continuation/second coming ever incorporated half-finished work being handed over. But that said, I suppose why not? If there's to be a passing of the torch as it were, a piece that was neither quite old-guard or new-guard would make for a fascinating transition piece.

The temptation to repeat/re-cycle stuff is enormous - can anyone who is not Jem determine what really does happen next?

Repeat/re-cycle is not in and of itself a bad thing though. I had a fresh skim through the "View from the Cube" blog entries during the recent drought, and I'm reminded of his comments about the influence that Pallas' Ronnie Brown had on Jem's style. Beatles/Lennon's "Hide your Love Away" is one of my favourite songs of all time, and it's basically Lennon trying to ape Bob Dylan (who I don't really like all that much). I wonder if the key isn't perhaps not being a perfect mimic, so you're forced to incorporate your own ideas as well. I suppose that only works if your own ideas are up to scratch also

[JakeWorrell]

I'd like to think he'll pop in here again sometime (even if Frost* music is not on his radar) if/when he wants to.

I reckon he'll pop by when the time is right, leaving something is an odd old business and I have found in the past that you tend to want to distance yourself from it entirely for a while.

This all reminds me of the good old days of the EIMA writing process; back on the blog, the excitement, the uncertainty that its going to be 'milliontown 2' (for the record - I think EIMA is the better album). Hopefully the YouTube goodness will follow shortly.

This all puts us in a great position, if you like the new stuff you can tell yourself it is Frost 3 (but don't tell Jem, he'll have a nervous breakdown). If you don't like it you can think to yourself "well that's ok, it's not frost, it's Jem having a nervous breakdown" ( but don't tell Jem because he isn't really having a nervous breakdown).

So, everyone's a winner really.

[Pedro]

I'd be the first to say more Frost* right now would be great, no argument.
But, as we know, this won't happen.
Frost* was a breath of fresh air and not Prog (with a capital 'P'), it was 'progressive'. A pedantic distinction, arguably, but I think it is significant. What can Jem do with another part of the musical spectrum?
Frost* was NEVER meant to be a 'forever' project (this was declared at the start) and I think it's clear that Jem now just wants to do something else. I might want things to be different (i.e. carry on as it was) but I simply see no point in my mourning it for too long. My hope remains for a future return....one day. Some people seem to only be able to see this in terms of being either back on exactly as it was or completely dead forever, black or white. I'm just not like that.
I've still got everything that the Frost* experience gave me. That can't be taken away.
So now I want to see/hear what's next and see if I like it.

[Trapezium Artist]

... but here's the rub every time i get excited about the new jem stuff i get sad because it reminds me frost is no more and frost have meant so much to me it still hurts.    :cry:  :?

I know exactly where you're coming from, turbo: Frost* is Jem, but Jem isn't Frost*, if you see what I mean, and although I'm a big fan of Jem, I think I'm an even bigger fan of Frost*.

Thus, the end of Frost* does hurt deeply. That implies no disloyalty to Jem and I'm sure whatever he comes up with will be interesting and perhaps even more; but I think it's nevertheless entirely acceptable to mourn Frost* at the same time.

[Pedro]

....the end of Frost*.... ....it's nevertheless entirely acceptable to mourn Frost* at the same time.

Is there no room for any hope in such black/white terminology?
Are we really determined to cement this as The End?

[JakeWorrell]

Are we really determined to cement this as The End?

I'm not. Who knows what future may or may not bring.

[Mikey]

Are we really determined to cement this as The End?

I'm not. Who knows what future may or may not bring.

Jadis

[turbo]

....the end of Frost*.... ....it's nevertheless entirely acceptable to mourn Frost* at the same time.

Is there no room for any hope in such black/white terminology?
Are we really determined to cement this as The End?

i don't think its meant to be so finale its just that for the foreseeable future it does indeed seem to be the end, there is of course always some hope to cling onto as with respect jem dose give the impression of being a little bit fickle at times [sorry jem i love you mate but it does seem that way ] but i fear we wont see them for a significant time which is indeed very sad, all of this aside i do very much look forward to the new stuff onwards and upwards.

[Pedro]

Cool. I'd prolly not say "fickle" but I get what you're driving at.

[turbo]

Lets say changeable then.  :lol: