What is the result of the experiment ?

Started by Gooserider, January 05, 2009, 07:23:57 AM

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Gooserider

Hi there!

First of all: Happy New Year!!!

On my very first post in this forum, I'd like to ask Jem, what the result of the experiment is, he mentioned in his blog lately. And actually what the experiment was all about of course  ;)

Is it the concept of a tight sort of involvement on the project with frost* reports, accessing and bonding more people than with "conventional" (or better say traditional) media?

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Gooserider

Quote from: "Pedro"Welcome to the board!
Hope you enjoy your time here.

thanks :D

I have enjoyed the old forum already but never felt to register and start posting, well until now ;)

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Mikey

Quote from: "Gooserider"Very best wishes from snowy Berlin!!
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Jem

I think it's been a success all things considered.

The idea was to log the creation of an album from start to finish and publish it as it went along.

There were a few people who kinda felt let down by the finished product, but that was all part of the experiment I guess.

The other part of the experiment was to try and do something a bit different in the prog rock-u-verse and focus more on songwriting rather than soloing and also to back the keyboards off as that can be such a lazy crutch in prog. Again, by and large it's been very well received. In most cases, the reviews have been better for EIMA than they were for Milliontown.

One thing I won't do in future if we ever do another secret song is tack it onto the end of another track as some proggers have mistaken it for one song by clocking the track length. Somebody actually commented that it was a rubbish 'epic' track as it petered out halfway through and some other thing started up and then kind of drifted off aimlessly... :lol:

Lastly, it was an experiment to see if the internet could be used a bit more creatively for a band than merely having a forum and some nice looking pics on a website somewhere. I think the answer is a resounding "Yes!" and something I shall be expanding upon greatly in the coming years.

Mouse

Quote from: "Jem"One thing I won't do in future if we ever do another secret song is tack it onto the end of another track as some proggers have mistaken it for one song by clocking the track length. Somebody actually commented that it was a rubbish 'epic' track as it petered out halfway through and some other thing started up and then kind of drifted off aimlessly... :lol:

How dare they say such blasphemy against Secret Song! How dare they!

In the words of Morbo from Futurama: "I shall destroy them!"  :twisted:

Geetar

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Quote from: "Jem"One thing I won't do in future if we ever do another secret song is tack it onto the end of another track as some proggers have mistaken it for one song by clocking the track length. Somebody actually commented that it was a rubbish 'epic' track as it petered out halfway through and some other thing started up and then kind of drifted off aimlessly... :lol:

I have to agree with you here Jem; next time, you should have two secret songs running one after the other with a nice gap in between each one, continuing to annoy prog planks who focus more on track lengths than bloody good songwriting.

I know its a cliche but I'm really interested in what the next part of the experiment entails because there is such a tightening of the sound between Milliontown and EIMA that I really appreciate. Less widdling and more song is always good in my book.

PhilHarmonic

I'm with Jem on this one for all the reasons of the use of the web site, the blogs, the video diaries, etc.  We hunger for knowledge but then, for some reason, feel let down by the outcome!  Why?

Of all the pieces on the EIMA CD, I am most taken by 'DDD', Toys' and 'WTM' none of which I had an inkling until postie delivered the magical envelope.  Now, that's what I call ''secret''!!

In any event, erhaps 'Secret Songs' should be kept secret....a bit like 'easter eggs' on DVDs - perhaps that's stretching it a bit too far, I accept.  Maybe we would be better off being teased by snippets of stuff that never reaches the final output - that would be good as the expectations would dashed and our ears assailed with musical doodlings afresh...?  Having said that, aren't we due the outtakes at some stage?

On a similar vein (secret song wise), how many of you's out there have a CD that you let run on only to discover that there are 'secret songs' tagged onto the end - I have at least two.  Those that spring to mind are Robert Berry's ''Pilgrimage To A Point''  and Chris Squire/Robert Sherwood's first 'Conspiracy' offering.  And there are others but I would find it hard to dig them out.

Anyway, something along those lines is what I fancy next time around.

So, glad it all went well last night and that the rocks were rocked and the progs were progged!  Congrats to all recipients of awards - well deserved, I have no doubt.

Long live the experiment.
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Quote from: "Jem"Lastly, it was an experiment to see if the internet could be used a bit more creatively for a band than merely having a forum and some nice looking pics on a website somewhere. I think the answer is a resounding "Yes!" and something I shall be expanding upon greatly in the coming years.

That's great news Jem. I think it's been an absolute blast from beginning to end  :D
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Mouse

Quote from: "PhilHarmonic"On a similar vein (secret song wise), how many of you's out there have a CD that you let run on only to discover that there are 'secret songs' tagged onto the end - I have at least two.  Those that spring to mind are Robert Berry's ''Pilgrimage To A Point''  and Chris Squire/Robert Sherwood's first 'Conspiracy' offering.  And there are others but I would find it hard to dig them out.

There's a massive secret song on the end of Queen's Made In Heaven, clocking in at 22:33! It's a spacey instrumental too! The main thing that continually pisses me off about this however, is that the majority of this running time is silence. About 7 or so minutes until any sound kicks in. What's the point in that? I'd love to listen to that track more often, but am put off by the thought of having to trawl through unknown ammounts of nothing to find anything.

Marillion did good with secret song Half Full Jam on Volume 1 of Happiness Is The Road - there's an individual 2 minute long track of silence before the song itself kicks in. This way, people can easily skip the silence or remove it when they put the album onto iTunes or whatnot. It's sole job is to seperate the song from the rest of the album. A brilliant move in my opinion.

And Jem, I can't thank you enough for the Frost* Reports! Not only were they some of the most entertaining videos I've watched in a long time, they introduced me to and taught me a bit about Pro Tools. If it wasn't for you, I'd probably still be floundering somewhere at the back of the class! Cheers!  :D

Right, rant over.  ;)

Geetar

I suppose I should make some token attempt at relevance to the topic at hand: and on that note, I concur with my esteemed colleagues.

Music's all a one-ness to me these days-  jazz, pop, prog, or rock. It's good music, or it's bad; or even worse, it's boring..... and  what's come out of the Cube has never been bad or boring.

The thing has been a resounding success, IMHO, and I can't wait to see what Jem does next- in or out of the Frostiverse.
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Quote from: "Geetar"I suppose I should make some token attempt at relevance to the topic at hand: and on that note, I concur with my esteemed colleagues.

Music's all a one-ness to me these days-  jazz, pop, prog, or rock. It's good music, or it's bad; or even worse, it's boring..... and  what's come out of the Cube has never been bad or boring.

The thing has been a resounding success, IMHO, and I can't wait to see what Jem does next- in or out of the Frostiverse.

as is often the case with my friend geetar: word.

tomskerous

As they always used to say at one of my former employers - if you don't fail occasionally you're not trying hard enough.

I think Jem has shown that there's still a long long way to go with this quaint little genre and its quaint occasionally-little fans.
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Quote from: "PhilHarmonic"how many of you's out there have a CD that you let run on only to discover that there are 'secret songs' tagged onto the end

Journey's Trial by Fire has a short little song tacked onto end of the last track (I think its called "Baby I'm leaving you" - seems very Wilson Pickett, Sam Cooke or such Soul-ish stuff to me, but I've never looked into what it is). Its fab - one of my favourite things on the album.

I've never understood why my copy of Marillion's This Strange Engine has a very long period of silence at the end. Weird. Love the album though.

Cheers

David