*NEW* DPRP Review

[Mikey]

two rock hard journalists!

They must've really liked it.  

Good shot....thought that was Pedders for a minute.


Question. Why, oh why oh why does everything have to be labelled.

It's just music. It's good if you like it, bad if you don't.

Fazackerly

[wickedwitch]

if i dont like something i say so.  pocket sun doesnt do it for me. the rest of the album does.  Jem knows i'd not be backwards about coming forwards with my opinions.  I dont care if people like me on here or not because i like or dont like the album. what a peculiar thing to say!

you are obviously entitled to your opinion but, as tom (who likes me despite knowing me) said, dont diss us for liking it!!

have a nice day.

x

[jymf]

I am beginning to wonder if it's just me, or does everyone else think that everyone at DPRP are a bunch of WA***RS?

Just wondering thats all........

A point or two here.  

Does anyone know why they stopped the UK gig guide on DPRP?
Are the DPRP reviewers ever non-partisan?

[Geddy Lee]

I actually think this is a very generous review and DPRP are actually being very 'modern' in their thinking. I have grown off this album quite a lot over the last couple of weeks. Clumsiness like the lumping together of DDD with falling down and that stupid buzz during saline do contribute (for me) to the fact that EIMA just isnt as good in any way as Milliontown (Production, Content, Performance, Writing) and I dont think anyone should kiss ass just to appear popular to be honest. I dont think any track really develops significantly to leave any lasting satisfactory taste in the mouth (with the possible exception of Saline)... but its 'catchy'. Toys is a very strong bouncy track and actually one of the high points on the album. Pocket Sun too, though not particularly developmental is full of hooks and is very enjoyable.

A lot of the DPRP points were valid and for people here to claim it as a 'great' prog album shows an unbelievable lack of understanding. Yes it is a brave album. In my opinion it's poor prog value for money and roots itself closer to pop than prog. It is a prog album but a weak one. 100% valid performance and composition wise I just feel that its 40% prog and 60% contempory pop/rock.

In listening I got to like the rhythms... I think the drums are great and the few standout Guitar bits that are allowed to Mr Mitchell/whoever are great but as a prog album it is characterless and shallow. I also agree with the attempt to back off keyboards in favour of the other instruments just hasnt worked as it sounds far more keyboardy than Milliontown. The excellent Mr Jowitt has also been largely hidden on the album. With the exception of Mr Edwards, the album wasnt a great showcase of anybodys abilities when compared with Milliontown and the members respective main bands.

As an 'Experiment in mass appeal' it may well work... as does Pink... as do Sugarbabes.... as do Coldplay.... As a Prog experiment it fails masively for me. DDD sounds cramped in its time limit and though I dont advocate that a song has to be long to be a prog song (hence the stupid hobbit calls) I think it needs to develop. Toys is 3 mins and works far better as a track... DDD has too much for its 6 mins and is truly difficult to enjoy because of it.

To hear people lambasting DPRP when they clearly do a great job and have done for the last so many years is disgraceful. I agree Barts stupid comments were well out of line after hearing 30 seconds, but having heard the album about 50 times now myself, it has to go down as the most dissapointing album of 2008 (as an anticipated album). I'd have given it between 5 and 6. 7.5 is generous and 8 borders on hysteria as far as I'm concerned.

This message board doesnt work if people just slag off people who are respected individuals in their field because they are 'outside of the club'. Its not a church! Its not a place to come worship the band and deny all other religions.

Mines for sale on Amazon... but I'll be looking for the next release and hoping that the direction taken by Jem next time moves on in a way thats' more lastingly satisfying to me' and if it does... You betcha I'll be buying Frost again!

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  Whilst this is your opinion and you are, of course, entitled to it, I have to say that I find most of what you say as "stuck in the past" as I said the DPRP were.
I do not come here to kiss anyones arse, if I don't like something I WILL say so. For you to state that "we" have a lack of understanding is as irrritating as it is insulting, what is it exactly that "we" don't understand? And just who are these oh so marvellous "respected individuals" from the DPRP who have done so so much for so many years? I find mostly everything I read on the DPRP to be "stuck in the past". They are unable to review anything without some reference to Ant Phillips, Genesis et al. Is there always a need for that? I beleive that what they display most of the time is actually musical snobbery.
As JJJ said ITS MUSIC. And you either like it or not. Putting stuff in clearly defined categories ( ie - A PRODUCT IN A CATEGORY ) is as blind and as blinkered as anyone can get to my mind. The DPRP are about as relevant and as "Modern" as the Old Testament. As for denying all other religions as you put it, well if I had a mind to list exaclty what I do listen to in terms of music then ( like a lot of other people on here ) I think I would be here for quite a while and take up quite a lot of space listing it all. Something of course I have no intention of doing. I am certainly no "blinkered" PROG only music listener. And as for shallow.....well do I really need to go on?

[Mikey]

Quite by chance I was given the new AC/DC album to listen to. Aptly Black Ice.
Did someone mention stuck in the past?
There's obviously a demand for it.

EIMA is not called Experiments in Prog Appeal

[Geddy Lee]

Quite by chance I was given the new AC/DC album to listen to. Aptly Black Ice.
Did someone mention stuck in the past?
There's obviously a demand for it.

EIMA is not called Experiments in Prog Appeal

I wouldn't say that BLACK ICE is actually stuck in the past. I would say that it just sounds like AC/DC.

There is a demand for "stuck in the past" sounds though, it comes from the bloody stupid media and the idiotic people who just can't listen to anything NEW.

I just wish we could drop all categorising and just call it music

[johninblack]

I just wish we could drop all categorising and just call it music

WORD

[Geddy Lee]

I just wish we could drop all categorising and just call it music

WORD

I THANK YOU!!

By the way, I'm not dissing OLD PROG ( see its a category again! ), far from it my fave bands are Rush, Yes, Genesis, King Crimson etc etc and I love it all. But I am able to disengage from the 70's and realise that this is 2008 and if an album was released that sounded like CLOSE TO THE EDGE ( my favourite Yes album by the way ) today, then it would just sound dated and out of place. Go and read the interviews tha Ian Anderson of Tull did recently for their 40th anniversary, even he agrees with what I say!

[johninblack]

Was that the interview where he said he wanted to play new songs but the audience only wanted the old stuff?

[Geddy Lee]

Was that the interview where he said he wanted to play new songs but the audience only wanted the old stuff?

Indeed it was, hence there was no point making a new album as the fans wanted an OLD one. Did you read it? He also made a point by saying "just look at a Rolling Stones gig. While all the old classics are being played then the audince doesn't move but as soon as they play a NEW track, then half the audience suddenly decide that it's time for a pee break." Which as he also said is quite, quite sad.

[Mikey]

then half the audience suddenly decide that it's time for a pee break." Which as he also said is quite, quite sad.

Half the audience needed a pee break

[johninblack]

I did indeed read it, quite an interesting piece. I see an example of this sort of thing at our local pub. They put on certain bands playing classic Yes, Genisis and all that and there are all the "Die hard" proggers in their Yes t shirts, yet when they put on a prog band that play original material they are nowhere to be seen.

[J Jonah Jameson]

Funny one though, isn't it? I thoroughly enjoyed Rush last time precisely because they were playing new stuff.  

I love Yes, but I never have to hear And You And I or Roundabout live again....

[Geddy Lee]

Funny one though, isn't it? I thoroughly enjoyed Rush last time precisely because they were playing new stuff.  

I love Yes, but I never have to hear And You And I or Roundabout live again....

Couldn't agree more! You can also add I've Seen All Good People to that list too!

[Geddy Lee]

The really funny thing about it thought, is that right now at this precise moment I'm listening to Britney Spears.


Go figure that one out.